how to play corner like motogp

[kingpet47]

I'm talking about turn 1 and turn 2,3 ba...those that come immediately after the straights. Turn 1 can just drop one gear and take ah? Normally if i do that, my exit speed will be damn lousy...

 

dat depend on wat gear u r b4 ur braking point... usually i wll only be at 4th gear n will drop to 3rd b4 entering 1st corner nvr try 2nd gear coz no confidence as my bike has no slipper clutch n oso scared of rear wheel lock....sumtimes it depends on ur entry points coz it determines where u gonna exit......

[kingpet47]

ur sprocket ratio set for track or street......

 

wat do u suggest for sproket ratio.. as mine is stock... its 16-43.......

[Corse]

wat do u suggest for sproket ratio.. as mine is stock... its 16-43.......

 

Hmmm.. depends on what bike u're riding

i used to use 15-36

now its 14-36. Good for fast accelaration

Anyway, abt turn 1, i'm droppping from 5th to 3rd gear, exiting is good at 3rd gear.

then again, depends on bike and rider also

[Father John]

Thank you John. I forgot to ask Charn the last time I met him at the track. But from our conversation back then, he seemed to be okay with either method (one gear at a time or multiple gears at a time).

 

I always thought you blip right before you release the clutch in order to match the engine revs to the wheels.

 

Sorry

 

James, the honest truth is i myself have'nt been to the track for ages, and have'nt figured out how to match engine revs to the wheels. Been riding too long on the road, not on the track, so am really RUSTY about fast gear changing.

 

Let you in on a secret, you can go ask my guru at a place called something 21. It's at a street starting with D (a tyre name) and it's located next to a religious building. The guru's name is HOLY DEVIL. He will serve you a glass of brown liquid and impart his words of wisdom to you. Be warned, you'll never be the same again.

[D.O.C]

Hmmm.. depends on what bike u're riding

i used to use 15-36

now its 14-36. Good for fast accelaration

Anyway, abt turn 1, i'm droppping from 5th to 3rd gear, exiting is good at 3rd gear.

then again, depends on bike and rider also

 

 

thought the the spocket size should always be odd and even and never even /even or odd /odd cofi

[ambasnakeman]

thought the the spocket size should always be odd and even and never even /even or odd /odd cofi

 

interestings...never heard this before.

 

 

when i rode rvf....stock ratio was 15/38(2.5 something)...after upgrading the bike....and for accleration.....when to 14/42(3). that was a huge jump.

 

when i used 15/38....turn 1 was done in 2nd gear.....2 in 5th.....3 in 2nd

 

but when 14/42.....turn 1 3rd......2 approach 6th.drop to 5th......3 in 3rd.

[desmondekker]

James, the honest truth is i myself have'nt been to the track for ages, and have'nt figured out how to match engine revs to the wheels. Been riding too long on the road, not on the track, so am really RUSTY about fast gear changing.

 

Let you in on a secret, you can go ask my guru at a place called something 21. It's at a street starting with D (a tyre name) and it's located next to a religious building. The guru's name is HOLY DEVIL. He will serve you a glass of brown liquid and impart his words of wisdom to you. Be warned, you'll never be the same again.

 

haha...nice encryption

[slowrider]

i know because i almost died. walked away with bruises. saw an old man doing offerings at the corner i crashed doing prayers at a broken tree which my bike (rvf which i raced the following year)flew into. i did ask the old man about what happened as i felt wierd and he claimed he witnessed a very bad accident weeks ago and he heard rumours that rider died and he lost his sleep......

 

2 weeks later somebody really died(different corner).

 

the guy bought his KRR on the very day he got his 2B. 11pm at night, still cornering all over singapore. then disaster.he overdid the corner.....as it is a reducing radius like sepang turn 13 to 14. till this day, not many can do this corner perfectly in sepang. so road warriror having no run off area bangs into metal barrier, flies, and upon landing......his head came off, body lying in the centre of a 2 lane road. body was still wriggling.

 

the worst thing the best friend had to do was carry the head of his friend and put it at the body so that it doesnt look so bad to passerby vehicles. imagine carrying your best friend head in your hands. he was the only son.

 

i know this post is off topic.....but this is some of the reality that can happen.

 

i am not saying that u cant fly and land on a track crash, but chances of fatality is lesser.

 

Why influence others in your reckless way in life when you are then one who want to throw it away this way?

 

Have anybody ever posed this question to you?

 

All these young punks don't even think about the consequences of their actions and yet you go about writing post after post about your 'heroic riding' experiences...protraying yourself like some 'cool' dude and whether knowing or unknowingly give these young riders a skewed view about whether doing such thing is even acceptable.

 

These young riders, many who ended up 'half dead' or when they do meet their horrific end, should come and thank you personally whether in a wheel chair or in spirit ,on the way you have influenced them.

 

Come on, watching the professionals do it in MotoGp is one thing, trying to go for such thing yourself is asking for BIG trouble.

 

Hope you got the point this time round!

[NoLogicOne]

thought the the spocket size should always be odd and even and never even /even or odd /odd cofi

 

interestings...never heard this before.

 

 

when i rode rvf....stock ratio was 15/38(2.5 something)...after upgrading the bike....and for accleration.....when to 14/42(3). that was a huge jump.

 

when i used 15/38....turn 1 was done in 2nd gear.....2 in 5th.....3 in 2nd

 

but when 14/42.....turn 1 3rd......2 approach 6th.drop to 5th......3 in 3rd.

 

Danny, I believe I was the one who told you this. Nothing wrong about running even/even or odd/odd numbers, but the prefered is odd/even or even/odd so that the chain links get to sit on every tooth of the pinnon and sprocket, preventing uneven wear.

 

This was heard from that something21, beside some religious something, at that D something street. It's something good to have, not a must of course, like dark visor on a sunny day.

[NoLogicOne]

Why influence others in your reckless way in life when you are then one who want to throw it away this way?

 

Have anybody ever posed this question to you?

 

All these young punks don't even think about the consequences of their actions and yet you go about writing post after post about your 'heroic riding' experiences...protraying yourself like some 'cool' dude and whether knowing or unknowingly give these young riders a skewed view about whether doing such thing is even acceptable.

 

These young riders, many who ended up 'half dead' or when they do meet their horrific end, should come and thank you personally whether in a wheel chair or in spirit ,on the way you have influenced them.

 

Come on, watching the professionals do it in MotoGp is one thing, trying to go for such thing yourself is asking for BIG trouble.

 

Hope you got the point this time round!

 

This is a big misunderstanding.....AmbaSnakeSkin no longer rides on the road recklessly. He was talking about himself when he was young and stupid. He is now a tad older, but definately not foolish. He quit his bad street manners when he started track on his RVF. We watch his "bling" shinny RVF turns into a ugly looking race bikes within the yr, I can so totally vouch that this SnakeSkin definately cannot be any "cool" dude at all. Plus I dun think he got the looks....

 

Take his sarcasm with a hint of laughter....he's okay in real life, man of few syllabus on the phone, totally helpful on the track. He brought the Bollywood to PG man

 

The fact is that, no manner how we preach, how we warn, how we advise (some say whine), there will always be self induced reckless riders, with young and stupid riders getting their P plate every year. And this SnakeSkin helps out track newbie if anyone bother to ask him in person. He took me out on the warmup laps at Sepang, appreciate that.

 

Peace!

[desmondekker]

yeah, definately a misunderstanding. i've been following the stories on this thread. infact it's like morning sermons to me whereby i can read the tips and advice from experienced riders. so it's all good, no heroes here!

[ambasnakeman]

Why influence others in your reckless way in life when you are then one who want to throw it away this way?

 

Have anybody ever posed this question to you?

 

All these young punks don't even think about the consequences of their actions and yet you go about writing post after post about your 'heroic riding' experiences...protraying yourself like some 'cool' dude and whether knowing or unknowingly give these young riders a skewed view about whether doing such thing is even acceptable.

 

These young riders, many who ended up 'half dead' or when they do meet their horrific end, should come and thank you personally whether in a wheel chair or in spirit ,on the way you have influenced them.

 

Come on, watching the professionals do it in MotoGp is one thing, trying to go for such thing yourself is asking for BIG trouble.

 

Hope you got the point this time round!

 

 

very interesting.....COOL DUDE huh....thanks for the compliment

[klutch]

sumthin to share,

 

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0008_gearing/

[Hartholomew]

Hart, can I ask you a question on that answer? Is it better to downshift sequentially (clutch in, kick down, blip, clutch out, repeat) or downshift directly to gear (clutch in, kick kick kick down, blip hard, clutch out)?

 

I do experience rear wheel lockup once in a while at the end of the front straight and before turn 3 of PG. I got used to it but I know I shouldn't be locking up any wheels. My ride is a CBR400RR with stock clutch and stock gearing.

 

Appreciate your help! James

 

Hi James,

 

From what I have seen and learned, you should clutch EACH gear. Your gearbox dogs and shifter forks are going to take a huge beating, if you go down more than 2 gears in one clutching. If you watch top level racing, you can see that the pros clutch each and every one of their downshifts. BUT, it is not necessary to blip for every one of them.

 

I have a very talented friend that used to tear up the tracks, he goes by the name of Yazi, he dumps 2 gears for every clutching action. He had no problems with his GSXR 750, but always warned me that even though he blipped, the back would still flay about.

 

Nonetheless, he was still ballistic, guess that he just does not give 2 cents.

 

I blip for every gear on the road as it is great practice, but after taking part in the MSS, I found that it took up too much of my concentration in the braking zone. I consulted Joseph Lee, since I do not have a Slipper Clutch (although I do have an STM on order from Sporting Motorcycles - YAY!).

 

What Joe told me, which I thought was simple, but brilliant advice, was to blip only for the last clutching action, as that was the most important one, since a rider would want the bike as stable and settled as possible before he turned in. The few before that would be inconsequential, although quite scary, as the bike would still be standing straight up, with little chance of falling.

 

What you may want to bear in mind is to time the gear changes when you have more than enough rpms in reserve. For example, you dont want to be dropping 2 gears when the gear you are in is 2000 rpms from red line.

 

The engine would get damaged because even the rev limiter cant stop the engine from over-revving (rev limiters cut the spark & timing), and the engine braking from that kind of range is going to be brutal, and sudden.

 

Have fun!

 

Hartholomew Mamola

[ninja10]

Dear Guru Hart,

 

If the bike have slipper clutch, can we drop 2 gears at a time. Say the RPM is just about 4000 RPM.

 

Tks

Rgds

-your on-line student-

[Hartholomew]

Dear Guru Hart,

 

If the bike have slipper clutch, can we drop 2 gears at a time. Say the RPM is just about 4000 RPM.

 

Tks

Rgds

-your on-line student-

 

Konichiwa Ninja,

 

Hey you guys are cracking me up... can drop the Guru part lah...

 

Anyway, did some reading up on the STM slipper clutches:

 

Because their main purpose is to prevent the rear wheel from locking up during aggressive downshifts, they also kinda protect the engine from extremely high engine braking. BUT, it all depends on the tension of the diaphragm spring, which with enough force, actually rides up the slipper ramps, aided by ball bearings. This action seperates the clutch plates, producing "slip".

 

4000 rpms is WAY safe dude, even without a slipper clutch. If you did not have a slipper clutch and dropped 2 gears at those revs, all you would get is a sensation of braking suddenly. So if you dont have a slipper, ease out the clutch (which will help preserve your gearbox dogs and driveline parts like sprockets, chains, cushion drives...etc...) OR Blip.

 

If you blip, then you can just throw the clutch out. If you dont blip, ease it out (manual slipping), which in essence, is doing what a slipper clutch does.

 

On the track, your bike (especially if it was a 600 and you are riding it right) is not going to be revving under 6000 rpms. I remember that I always made sure my Ninja was spinning above 7000 rpms minimum. You got to boil a 600 to get it going dude, drop below that powerband and....you know the rest.

 

As long as you have the right technique and know your gearbox ratios well (knowing by feel how far apart each ratios are in terms of revs), you will be able to drop gears without hitting the limiter. You can drop gears on a 1000 without a slipper 2 gears at a time from 8000rpms, as long as your are smooth. The reason you can do this is because you are braking HARD, you are slowing down so rapidly, what you want to do is time the gears with the deceleration so that you get the best engine braking. Engine braking helps you stop.

 

Try going for a corner at full steam and braking at your usual marker WITHOUT engine braking - You will not stop in time and the bike will not be stable at all.

 

Try experimenting with timing and gears, figuring out when to drop which gears, which give engine braking JUST short of locking it up.

 

My car crazy friends are so good at their "Toe-Heel" (Car version of blipping - very difficult) that they can drop into 1st gear at 40 kmph (Way high for a car in 1st gear) without the car/engine jerking around like it is dying of a heart attack.

 

Get to know your machine dude, it pays dividends.

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

[kingpet47]

i need directions here.. wth is blipping?

[NoLogicOne]

Dear Guru Hart,

 

If the bike have slipper clutch, can we drop 2 gears at a time. Say the RPM is just about 4000 RPM.

 

Tks

Rgds

-your on-line student-

 

Sorry, though it's address to Hart Randy Mamola, but 4k rpm seems a tad too low a rev to even worry about rear wheel hopping, with or without slipper clutch.

 

Many riders I felt are missing this point.....clutch control is paramount, be it you have slipper clutch or not. Slipper clutch should come after good clutch control in a normal chain of progression, so I really am so angry with Yammie and Suzies for confusing the riders so much

 

Trust me, 4K rpm, I would drop 2 gears without thinking on my V Twin, which has tons of engine braking. I guess I belong to the other group of "slipper", as opposed to the "blippers".

 

Cheers!

[NoLogicOne]

repeated post.

[GuiNNeSS]

mmm..pasir gudang ok..but my bike engine not very good....im afraid it can damage my gearbox,engine.etc....due to high speed..dragging...tyres wear and tear.....i will only go to play pasir gudang after i change to new bike.....maybe kent ridge rd....mount faber...just passing by get the feeling of cornering....but i want to know the tecnique of cornering fast but safe...not anyhow corner....and when skidded...blame the road no good...i saw pasir gudang track...very bad..worst then spore road..

 

The only safe way is slow and easy. I suggest you do up you bike first before you even try to do anything. Bad bike condition and maintance is the main problem of all road accidents save a bit here and there may cause your life or others.

[Hartholomew]

i need directions here.. wth is blipping?

 

Hoi Kingpet,

 

Blipping is matching engine speed to wheel speed when going down the box, opening and closing the throttle quickly to bring the revs up JUST before you let the clutch out.

 

Example:

 

Lets say that you are in 3rd gear at 90 kmph with the engine spinning at about 7000 rpms, and you want to drop into 2nd gear. You know for a fact that your engine will spin at 10,000 rpms in 2nd gear for the same 90 kmph. You clutch in, drop to 2nd while almost simultaneously "blipping" (opening the throttle to get the revs up and closing it once it is there) to get the engine speed up to 10,000 rpms. Once done (takes a split second), you let the clutch out fully. If you did it right, there should be no jerk, forward or back.

 

Watch the old Superbike races circa 1990s... watch all the rider's right hands on the braking into corners.

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Sorry abit off topic, motoGP guys nowadays no need blip right?

[NoLogicOne]

They still do.....I know Nicky sure blips a lot. It's just like cars...some believe new cars nowadays need not heel toe, but I believe in it.

[desmondekker]

Hi, would like to know if blipping will harm the throttle body?

[Raptor]

You blip to bring the rpms to match the gear you are downshifting to to maintain the speed. Not enough throttle (rpm) during the blip... the rear wheel will lock momentarily till the wheel speed catches up.

 

But now with slipper clutches...just slam the gears down and let the clutch off.

 

Hmmm... looks like the next thing to get is the slipper clutch for my DRZ.