how do u define a very gd suspension?

[Khuboy]

can those seasoned riders share their views on a gd suspension?

is a gd pair of fork suppose to be stiff that allow u to feel the small gravels on the road OR suppose to be soft tat absorb all the impact from crevices on the road that u went pass without even noticing it?

 

N how will u feel on the bike tat has suspensions tat r well tuned for track?

 

thanks in advance to those who can enlightened me .

[skateboy]

suspension's hardness depends on the rider's riding style n preference. it shd b hard enough for hard braking yet soft for abit of comfort riding.

 

for suspension soft, its comfortable to ride cos it will adsorb all the shock but it will bottom when u do hard breaking. n oso, u r riding a spring bike which seems bouncing all the way n will spoil the ride someway.

 

for hard, handling will b good. hard braking wun cause ur fork to bottom so easily. n for rear shock, handling will b easy with a harder shock compared to soft. the ride is firm n steady.

 

in simple terms, the suspension setting for ur bike depends on wat u r using for. n oso the setting depends on the power n weight ratio. like a shock used on a supersport bike is not recommanded for GSR.

 

 

thats my explaination for a good suspension...

[aRcHeR]

there's no definite definition for a good suspension.

 

a good suspension is defined as how well it is set. a top-end suspension like ohlins or bitubo can also be very bad if it's not tune and dialled in properly. where by for a stock suspension if set properly, say a showa on a s4, it could handle better than a inproperly tuned ohlins.

 

and there's no setting for both road and track use. it's either for track or for road. if not, you wouldn't be able to maximise the full use of it.

 

cheers!

[ambasnakeman]

i recently upgraded my suspensions with traxxion and penske combo. the product came with a dyno sheet. it was force against velocity of shaft movement.

in the case of penske, it was a linear graph....more force - faster shaft movent.

but other products dyno chart is different. like 1 famous brand is an exponential graph. meaning to say, at lower force - shaft speed is little. a sudden increase in force, shaft speed still remains little. too much force, then shaft speed increases. how it works think about it.

 

so. all these factors do play apart in how ur ride feels. some riders had commented that they dun feel a single bump on turn 6 in PG after some proper tuning. tyre wear is reduced. sliding is reduced. can power out of corners earlier. can brake later and deeper.

 

if i ever own a S4, my dream is to fit a motocross/motard front. they seem to absorb everything

[myxilplix]

I dunno about very good, but i know bad. My bike is bad. It's got the ohliongs ohliongs stuff on it, springs in the front and shock at the rear, but i think the previous owner is either damn fat or just anyhow pay money dunno what he's buying. The bike is too stiff, too harsh. The rear has ZERO preload but barely sags when i get on, and i'm not exactly small-sized.

 

Even though i don't ride very fast, my tires get chewed up pretty quick. That bumpy strip on the exit of turn 6? I feel it every time. On OEM dunlop qualifiers my front end started to run away from me over that bump.

 

Saving up for traxxion front and revalving/respring for my ohliongs rear now.

[aRcHeR]

sounds like the oil have broken down into simple matter, or the whole springrate is used on your bike...

[myxilplix]

It's the springrate, totally off. Way too stiff front and rear.

[aRcHeR]

time to change the springs then. top it off with a normal servicing at a reputatable suspension center will do the trick.

 

and also remember to dial in the settings correctly to get the most out of your suspension.

 

cheers!

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Very good topic. So for newbies like me, should i stick to the standard suspension (but ask expert to do set up) good enough for PG?

 

How much diff if change aftermarket? Like you can cut at least 2 seconds off?

[NoLogicOne]

Keep with stock....dial it in nice and proper first. Nowadays sportsbike comes with good enough suspension for most of us. Like your Porsche, you know it's good enough for almost anybody when it comes out of factory, right? Have faith in your R6.

 

Should you need a stiffer fork, you could revalve the fork internally, saving you some money instead of changing the whole fork. But if you insist, of course no one can stop you from spending money

[ambasnakeman]

changing rear shock and front internals are a good option. even charn on r1 only changed fork internals....didnt replace the entire fork.

 

jk, for a start, why dun u dial in some no.s that was quite commonly used by local riders. then try playing with compression and rebound a little. go harder on the throttles. i can pass to u the no.s if u want.

 

team petronas were using factory valve kits and springs....not aftermarket.

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Keep with stock....dial it in nice and proper first. Nowadays sportsbike comes with good enough suspension for most of us. Like your Porsche, you know it's good enough for almost anybody when it comes out of factory, right? Have faith in your R6.Should you need a stiffer fork, you could revalve the fork internally, saving you some money instead of changing the whole fork. But if you insist, of course no one can stop you from spending money

 

 

 

 

 

Bro, thanks for the sound advice. I think basically i should learn how to ride first lah! kekeke:cheeky: I'm shitty!

 

jk, for a start, why dun u dial in some no.s that was quite commonly used by local riders. then try playing with compression and rebound a little. go harder on the throttles.changing rear shock and front internals are a good option. even charn on r1 only changed fork internals....didnt replace the entire fork.team petronas were using factory valve kits and springs....not aftermarket.i can pass to u the no.s if u want.

 

Amba, again thanks for sharing your knowledge. Really appreciate it. If this Sunday you're going PG track day, i'll be happy if you could try the setup which i did already, but don't compare with your Traxxion hor!

[ambasnakeman]

sorry bro....not this sunday....i am out of tyres. maybe 2 weeks time

[aRcHeR]

most pple would change to aftermarket rear shock, but seldom for the front fork. reason being, the aftermarket front forks cost a bomb!

 

if you take your stock fork, throw in a aftermarket kit like bitubo, send the fork tubes for ti-nitrate coating to increase its stiffness and slickness, you get almost the same performance as the whole aftermarket works. just that you cant match their weight though...

[NoLogicOne]

Bro, thanks for the sound advice. I think basically i should learn how to ride first lah! kekeke:cheeky: I'm shitty!

 

Bro, please dun mention shitty.....I respect you for your driving skills and I believe you are in the same league as Uncle Chiew on the Integra Type R, killing the STi, Evos and Silvia in PG.

 

A lot of driving approach could be applied to bikes....like for example, a kid wanna track his Swift Sports and ask you for advise, what you would you suggest? I believe you would tell him put on good tyres and take it easy. Next probably would be lowering springs and after that, the driver should concentrate on proper lines, gearing, gasing out, etc etc....This paragraph definately sound very familiar to you, and maybe you would even be laughing at me trying to teach "old bird" about cars

 

But that's it, apply the same logic on bikes, I'm sure you know what are needs and what are blings. Like those stupid strip STi like to stick on top of their car, those are simply useless....too many flew off the back straights to be of any use at all.

 

 

Hope one day get to learn some driving from you.

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Bro, please dun mention shitty.....I respect you for your driving skills and I believe you are in the same league as Uncle Chiew on the Integra Type R, killing the STi, Evos and Silvia in PG.

 

A lot of driving approach could be applied to bikes....like for example, a kid wanna track his Swift Sports and ask you for advise, what you would you suggest? I believe you would tell him put on good tyres and take it easy. Next probably would be lowering springs and after that, the driver should concentrate on proper lines, gearing, gasing out, etc etc....This paragraph definately sound very familiar to you, and maybe you would even be laughing at me trying to teach "old bird" about cars

 

But that's it, apply the same logic on bikes, I'm sure you know what are needs and what are blings. Like those stupid strip STi like to stick on top of their car, those are simply useless....too many flew off the back straights to be of any use at all.

 

 

Hope one day get to learn some driving from you.

 

Wah bro, you been stalking me ah? I'm already married! :lol:kekeke. I'm sorry but my memory s*cks but i think i might have spoken to you before on PG or Sepang? But thanks for the compliments but wanna set the records straight that i'm no 'Denis Lian' hor, just some dude who loves motorsport alot & who's lucky to get lots of support from my family & sponsors for my karting & racing history. Currently i'm in love with bikes! What you mention about cars & bikes being alike is true. Only problem for me is everytime on bike track day, i'm still scared stiff to go at you guys pace, weather straight or turns! The 'rush' is completely different from 2 wheels. I really have to ride more man! Sorry guys a little off topic! Cheers

[NoLogicOne]

Wah bro, you been stalking me ah? I'm already married! :lol:kekeke. I'm sorry but my memory s*cks but i think i might have spoken to you before on PG or Sepang? But thanks for the compliments but wanna set the records straight that i'm no 'Denis Lian' hor, just some dude who loves motorsport alot & who's lucky to get lots of support from my family & sponsors for my karting & racing history. Currently i'm in love with bikes! What you mention about cars & bikes being alike is true. Only problem for me is everytime on bike track day, i'm still scared stiff to go at you guys pace, weather straight or turns! The 'rush' is completely different from 2 wheels. I really have to ride more man! Sorry guys a little off topic! Cheers

 

Yup, I agree that I do not hesitate to screech the tyres in a turn when I'm driving, but on a bike, it's scary. But then again, maybe when you are driving the track, I might get scared at your pace.

 

Yes, I am stalking you in pursue of better driving skills I heard about your kart racings from a few R6 guys, but no chance to talk about it with you cuz SG I have no opportunity to play car. Plus you are so all over bikes when I see you all the time, ha.

 

Talking about Dennis Lian, though he's easily one of our top driver in SG, but Christian Murison kindda outshine him easily during the A1GP. That shows a lot of under exposure we are limited to since the day we are born in SG. Christain Murison at his young age already had some racing experiences in UK before he pilot the A1GP race car.

[slider]

How do u define a very good suspension??

 

Still havent got the answer here it seems..

 

I always ride on track and when i try to push harder, sometimes it move really badly.. Dis happen during braking and also when exiting.. Im only doin late 1:49 the best..

 

Shud i change to aftermarket?? Ohlins, Bitubo, WP, Penske, etc..

 

Any suggestion on wat i shud do??

[NoLogicOne]

Try asking Fat Di. He's around your laptime, easier for him to help you out.

[spiderman]

It's the springrate, totally off. Way too stiff front and rear.

 

Maybe lesser oil will help.

[TooToo7]

How do u define a very good suspension??

 

Still havent got the answer here it seems..

 

I always ride on track and when i try to push harder, sometimes it move really badly.. Dis happen during braking and also when exiting.. Im only doin late 1:49 the best..

 

Shud i change to aftermarket?? Ohlins, Bitubo, WP, Penske, etc..

 

Any suggestion on wat i shud do??

 

sometimes not suspension and bike problem. It is rider problem.

 

Feedback is valuable only when riding is consistent.

[myxilplix]

Maybe lesser oil will help.

 

Already been done, recently had the forks serviced by Joshua. Feels much better but still too stiff and harsh. Needs new springs front and rear, figured i might as well just do it all up.

[NoLogicOne]

Already been done, recently had the forks serviced by Joshua. Feels much better but still too stiff and harsh. Needs new springs front and rear, figured i might as well just do it all up.

 

You are able to get static sag and rider sag setup properly? Mostly when these could not be set, it's easy to determine spring rate issues (not enuff sag in your case if it's too hard).

[Khuboy]

after reading all the reply can i summarised that a well tuned suspension will absorb most of the bumps on the road rather than feeling them?

Currently mine is very harsh i can even feel leaves that my bike went past, any commence from u guys?

[TiUsTer]

after reading all the reply can i summarised that a well tuned suspension will absorb most of the bumps on the road rather than feeling them?

Currently mine is very harsh i can even feel leaves that my bike went past, any commence from u guys?

 

My bike is also set up in such a way that it feels harsh on road but perfect on track. so its really a compromise, u have to decide what u want? track or road use?

 

To add some comments to these suspension questions, i have not come to the point that i realize my suspension has break my laptimes (i'm still sorting out myself). but this i know for sure, aftermarket suspension is always consistent. i know this because when i was using stock, pushing the bike, it always feel different from the 6-7 lap onwards compared to the first 3 laps. but aftermarket is always consistent throughout the laps. also aftermarket suspension gives me more feedback thus giving me more confidence. it doesn't really matter if you are using stock or aftermarket suspension unless u r making very low laptimes n every little thing counts. for me, i just feel that satisfying myself n sorting out the suspension just leaves me with no reason on pushing the blame on other things except to just concentrate on sorting out myself.

 

Suspension settings differ from rider to rider. wether u r using stock or aftermarket suspension. proper setting is the most crucial. ie. rider n static sag etc. my inputs r neither technical nor professional but rather just personnal. hope i have helped in some way.