Yamaha YZF-R6

[StormBlde]

btw how much are the 08 R6s? for the bike only how much with GST and everything but dun count insurance and road tax.

 

Machine: 16,500

GST: 7% x 16,500

 

COE: approx 1000

Insurance: approx 1300

IU: 154

Misc Charges: 200

 

Rough Charges. but it should be more or less ard this range without loans.

[AR2 Performance]

For the 06~07R6, I'd say this (pictured) is a well designed bracket slider (left side) IMHO.

 

http://ar2performance.com/temp/slider01.jpg

 

http://ar2performance.com/temp/slider02.jpg

 

http://ar2performance.com/temp/slider03.jpg

 

http://ar2performance.com/temp/slider04.jpg

 

Brackets created indirect leverage, more then often that breaks of aggravates damage in the frame. I personally will choose a direct mounted slider.

 

But sliders are not "superman". Degree of damage to bike depends on :

 

1. Type fall. (impact, abrasive, tip-over, high speed etcetc)

2. Design of slider (long, short, bracket etc), slider quality (delrin, ABS, etc)

 

One type of design cannot cater to all the above. From an engineering point of view (the safety aspect), the utmost thing to look out for in a slider that does not failure prematurely, yet will be destroyed instead of the bike. Most appropriately should caters to the below :

 

1. Initial impact absorption - In any type of fall, its a 160~200++kg of mass hitting on the ground. So look out for stuffs (puck quality, mounting material, bolt type) that takes the impact.

 

2. Sliding absorption - after the split second impact, the slider should continue to get scrubbed off & be damaged. If not, buy for what?

 

Long or short is subjective. General rule is the longer it is the higher the leverage & hence translates to a much greater lateral force. Save your fairing or save your frame. You decide.

 

 

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If you are looking for a much detailed info for comprehension VS my above simplified version for understanding, I believe the below can keep some enthusiast busy for maybe 1/2 an hr?

 

Frame Slider Design and Selection

By Roland Lee

 

Call them crash protectors, crash bobbins, fairing protectors or frame sliders, all these products ultimately seek to do one thing - protect your expensive bodywork or the essential and often expensive structural parts of your motorcycle from damage in the even of a fall or tip-over. The frame slider concept is as old as the proverbial 'crash bar' and today there are as many designs and brands as there are models of bikes. The proliferation of these types of products testify to the success of the idea of providing a sacrificial item to absorb some of the damage in the event of a fall. We are by no means experts on this concept nor were we the first to come up with it, but in this article we hope to provide you with an unbiased view so that you can make an informed decision when you're ready to put down your hard earned cash.

 

Cost:

 

Cost of the frame sliders must be appropriate to the items that they are designed to protect. Price is not necessarily the best indicator of quality. Poorly designed frame sliders made of the nicest shiniest materials may not serve their purpose as well as well designed but less 'bling' ones.

 

Mounting Configurations:

 

The frame slider must be designed to mount securely onto a strong enough part of the motorcycle so that impact forces can be adequately distributed or absorbed. Here are some popular mounting configurations.

 

Fairing Mounted Frame Sliders

 

Sliders that mount onto the fairing with small fairing screws may provide some protection in a minor tip-over but offer very minimal protection in a slide. These sliders are not generally recommended for serious riders.

 

Frame Mounted Sliders - Direct

 

The most popular and viable mounting option is directly to a selected strong point of the frame. Sliders with this design offer the most protection and impact force distribution. The installation of this type of slider often require modification of the fairing and in some cases like the Honda VFR800, as extreme as requiring the modification of the coolant bottle. For this reason, many choose the first or the third option as fairing modification can at times be quite intimidating. This option is the most popular for serious sportsriders, amateur and semi-professional racers alike as they provide the best protection for the money. One other thing to consider when choosing these types of sliders is where they will be mounted to.

 

Many models of sportbikes offer several places to mount them, frame slider manufacturers all have their personal reasons for choosing the mounting location for theirs and many of them make that choice for the wrong reasons. An example is cost - a location that offers a two short bolt mounting location is cheaper than one using a long through the engine bolt choice. The former being a much weaker location. If you own an SV650 you will know what we mean. Another choice is the use of a bracket so that cutting of the fairing is avoided - see below (Frame Mounted Frame Sliders-Through-Engine Bolts).

 

Frame Mounted Sliders - In-Direct

 

To address some of the concerns owners may have about modification of the fairing, some manufacturers have opted for a design that allows for the slider to mount onto an offset bracket that then mounts onto the frame. This offset introduces a whole new set of variables into the mix. Depending on the degree of the offset, impact forces now include amplified torque stresses which will be applied to the frame mounting points. Offset brackets will need to be of beefier construction, but not so beefy as to stay intact during an impact while severely damaging the frame mounting points. This is often the most costly type of slider configuration as most brackets require ingenious CNC work and design. In some situations employment of a bracket is a calculated risk, in others it is just not feasible. No cut sliders are attractive to most bikers so do your homework and ask the manfacturer questions before you buy them.

 

Frame Mounted Frame Sliders-Through-Engine Bolts

 

The third mounting option found only on certain models of bikes like the Suzuki DL1000 Vstrom, TL1000S, SV650 and Ducati models of bikes allow for use of the long, through-the-engine mounting bolt. This method is by far the strongest available as impact forces are allowed to be distributed over a much larger area. This is also the second more costly design as these long bolts are quite expensive to manufacture. The design must be structurally strong enough not to break off when encountering the various types of impact forces but not so strong that these forces would be transmitted entirely to and damage the considerably more costly frame mounting points. In other words you want to sacrifice your slider before your fairing and then your frame in that order. It's a delicate balance and there is no sure way to ensure that any one design will accomplish this desired goal.

 

Frame Slider Material:

 

The choice of material used for the frame slider should be a balance of the following 3 requirements:

 

Abrasion Resistance - the material should be hard enough to be able to slow the bike down in a slide and not be totally worn down to the bolt half way through a slide

 

Structural Strength - the material should be strong but not brittle and snap off too easily on impact

 

Energy Absorption-the material used should have some energy absorbing properties but not be so hard that all impact forces are transmitted to the mounting points or fasteners (solid steel or aluminum materials are examples of non-energy absorbing materials).

 

Most high quality frame sliders today are made of some kind of nylon or other for energy absorption and with aluminum inserts for strengthening of the fastening points. The range of nylon types, with different levels of abrasion resistance and "brittleness" used is also quite varied.

 

Fasteners and Components:

 

Quality of materials used, aesthetics and quality of workmanship should also be considered when choosing the right frame slider for your bike. Look for high quality anodized steel bolts. Black non-coated bolts will rust in a week or less depending where you live. Stainless steel washers between your steel bolts and aluminum inserts in the slider also reduce potential corrosion problems. Socket head cap screws offer the smallest footprint allowing for a thicker and stronger slider dimensions and are generally much more expensive then regular hex-head screws. Nyloc lock nuts where applicable are another added safety feature. True, these are all minor considerations in the overall scheme of things but they all add up to the cost of manufacturing. One last thing to remember is to always try to use some form of thread lock compound like Loctite and to properly torque the mounting bolts to the manufacturer's recommendations. If you're not sure check out our torque reference guide.

 

CONCLUSION:

 

Where does that leave you the consumer? Well, we all don't want to think about the day when we will be able to justify the purchase of frame sliders. The reality is that as long as bikes have only two wheels, you can expect them to fall over sooner or later. Frame sliders are one of the surest and least expensive ways to ensure some protection for the expensive or sometimes irreplaceable parts of your bike. After all some protection is still better than none. Think about broken rear brake levers, gear shifters or even worse - punctured radiators or coolant bottles, when you're miles from civilization. The rule is the same in our opinion no matter what you're spending your money on - buy the best you can afford and don't be afraid to ask the manufacturer why their product is better than the plethora of other brands available out there. Any good manufacturer will be very clear about what differentiates their products form others so that you will be able to make the correct purchase decision.

 

Author is the manufacturer and distibutor for US based frame slider and accessories company.

 

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I am still waiting for the "spring loaded" slider to be available locally. Definitely 1 design the dampens the initial impact. Its a common designed used in my industrial applications. I am not paid in anyway to promote for any manufacturers (my's not even local either... ), but apparently the above is well versed in protection even for the most layman!

[LamerFornica]

Acually no need turned it into a sliders debate for the sliders as individual has diff opinions, if i riding a 07 and has brackets which i do not need to cut fairing i will use it as i dun wan to cut my fairings for nuthing. The motovasion sliders with brackets before i buy , i went to see the product(as of what AR2 post) and the brackets are very well made of course with some reviews from overseas. The sliders material also very important thats why i chose motovasion compared to other brands.

 

For the 08 if the bros riding it here knows it needs to be cut to fit a slider then no choice got to drill fairing unless motovasion has come up with brackets for 08 models, again it will be individual preference.

 

To be honest, the sliders will protect quite well if its a normal fall which i have seen my frends bike from a short fall but if low or high side then it will really depend on the impact.

[sapitos]

wow...thanx for the explanation... :cheeky:

[Non Stop Racing]

hey guys. riding 07. recently got ERROR 59 on my meter. wtf is that, any 1 has tt b4 ? check out my manual its either circuirt shortwire or throttle position sensor stuck... i guess the second 1 is more likely as i have problems maintening throttle at low rpms, it will either slurgg (lost of power) den jump back right in again. giving me a choppy feeling.... any advise any 1 ? btw chun pass tp alreadi anot. lol

[Non Stop Racing]

Btw about the warranty thing, pls check ur warranty card, some parts they dont replace or take it under warranty. and failure by certain situtation they dont take it warranty as well.. eg . failure bcos of RACING . failure bcos of abuse/neligience. check out the warranty card ,it stats there !

[299]

hey guys. riding 07. recently got ERROR 59 on my meter. wtf is that, any 1 has tt b4 ? check out my manual its either circuirt shortwire or throttle position sensor stuck... i guess the second 1 is more likely as i have problems maintening throttle at low rpms, it will either slurgg (lost of power) den jump back right in again. giving me a choppy feeling.... any advise any 1 ? btw chun pass tp alreadi anot. lol

Fault:-

Throttle position sensor

(for throttle cable pulley)(open or short circuit/loose connection)

Throttle position sensor (for throttle cable pulley)open or short circuit detected.

Solution:-

Check throttle position sensor (for throttle

cable pulley) coupler connection is loose.

[3chUn]

hey guys. riding 07. recently got ERROR 59 on my meter. wtf is that, any 1 has tt b4 ? check out my manual its either circuirt shortwire or throttle position sensor stuck... i guess the second 1 is more likely as i have problems maintening throttle at low rpms, it will either slurgg (lost of power) den jump back right in again. giving me a choppy feeling.... any advise any 1 ? btw chun pass tp alreadi anot. lol

 

too fierce liao lar , open too hard =X

[Non Stop Racing]

`chUn;3833301']too fierce liao lar ' date=' open too hard =X[/quote']

 

on the contrary i think it opposite man. too much city riding ,lack of whacking bike maybe cause it ?4 mth old bike only man, but i still got warranty so see what HL yamaha says. hey how ur tp? need kahki go 2ndlink whackaaton+petrol already man. pass not ?

[3chUn]

on the contrary i think it opposite man. too much city riding ,lack of whacking bike maybe cause it ?4 mth old bike only man, but i still got warranty so see what HL yamaha says. hey how ur tp? need kahki go 2ndlink whackaaton+petrol already man. pass not ?

 

dun kan jiiong soon will join u =)

[Non Stop Racing]

haha means fail la ? okie la...pass let me know.

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Acually no need turned it into a sliders debate for the sliders as individual has diff opinions

 

AR is just 'sharing' only!

[Ettaque]

AR is just 'sharing' only!

 

yup, i loike to read ar comments..v.resourceful la..

gets the exact info u need on sumthing!

[Dzesario]

would like to ask u guyz ah? a so call poll...

wat wud u do?

1) cut fairing to fit sliders.

2) use bracket.

 

juz wanna see the poll...

[LamerFornica]

AR is just 'sharing' only!

 

 

No lahs, i know our tech man Stanly is sharing lahs, is before that lots of bros in here talking about cut or not to cut and all.

 

Ultimately still need to wait for the aftermarket brands to cater to the 08s and the issue would be solve.

[hanzi24]

hey guys. riding 07. recently got ERROR 59 on my meter. wtf is that, any 1 has tt b4 ? check out my manual its either circuirt shortwire or throttle position sensor stuck... i guess the second 1 is more likely as i have problems maintening throttle at low rpms, it will either slurgg (lost of power) den jump back right in again. giving me a choppy feeling.... any advise any 1 ? btw chun pass tp alreadi anot. lol

 

i had the same problem with my 07 too, go to HL and fix it asap, mine they changed the TPS. Problem maybe become worse as in throttle response will be more and more lag as time pass, and throttle may cut off anytime when u r riding. So do ride safe bro...

[AR2 Performance]

AR is just 'sharing' only!

 

yuppie yuppie... share share.... my info very neutral mah.. no meh ?

 

hey fruitycake.. where have u been? Call you.. & your outstation. the call diverted to a nice chick though..

[LamerFornica]

Hmm guys dun you think we should have a meet up for all the R6 folks in here?

[Wayang]

how abt meetin up for a nice sunday mornin blast

[RAKz]

Yeah.. I am intrested in meeting up!!

[sapitos]

how abt meetin up for a nice sunday mornin blast

 

i wanna join...finish running in liao...hahah... how bout sundae chop2 go machap have a lunch there n whackaton back???? seniors...plan lei...

[mich]

meet up!! meet up!!

[Wayang]

i wanna join...finish running in liao...hahah... how bout sundae chop2 go machap have a lunch there n whackaton back???? seniors...plan lei...

 

anythin nice to eat at machap ?

[RAKz]

anythin nice to eat at machap ?

 

Or we go makan A&W??

[sapitos]

anythin nice to eat at machap ?

 

haha..i also dunnoe...i think ask lau jio ..maybe they noe any nice place to eat....