Ducati Riders

[Guest nE0]

Which would you rather have, a peaky 200hp, knife edge peak horsepower tuned engine or a 160hp torque monster across the rev range?

 

The 2005 999 has more aggressive cams than the 2003 999, and its said that the slightly less low end torque is noticable, but is a good trade off for +15hp on the top end.

 

Anyways, the Ducati F06 produces 194hp, thats 38.57% more power than the street legal basemodel 999 (140hp). Going with the same high tech predictive calculation method, the 1098 (160hp) in race trim should output erm, 221hp?

[ktkt]

Originally posted by nE0@Nov 12 2006, 01:56 AM

Which would you rather have, a peaky 200hp, knife edge peak horsepower tuned engine or a 160hp torque monster across the rev range?

 

The 2005 999 has more aggressive cams than the 2003 999, and its said that the slightly less low end torque is noticable, but is a good trade off for +15hp on the top end.

 

Anyways, the Ducati F06 produces 194hp, thats 38.57% more power than the street legal basemodel 999 (140hp). Going with the same high tech predictive calculation method, the 1098 (160hp) in race trim should output erm, 221hp?

Think Ducati is pushing for a 1200cc V-twin for the SBK cos the current 999r engines for the SBK I read has already evolved to a stage where it is costly to tune and maintain.

 

Why they never immediately come out with the road going 1200 immediately I dunno... I suspect requires new machines/moulds/cast equipment....

 

So maybe wait till the 1098 evolution is complete, then perhaps new equipment to mass produce the 1200 engines? Dunno how long it'll take though.

 

Just a wild speculation.

 

Anyway, horsepower/torque/power delivery, really depends on riders' preference.

That's why Colin Edwards never really gotten off in Yamaha? Bikes are primarily tuned for Rossi's preference and riding style.

[ellamcoy]

Originally posted by ktkt@Nov 11 2006, 08:54 PM

http://www.hypercycles.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10230

 

There's a side pic of the bike for u to take a close look.

 

160 hp, 90.4 lbs/ft torque, 173 kg for the base 1098 model.

Wonder how much will the 1098s and 1098r make....

 

And look at the article... Ducati's version of Yamaha's exhaust power valve!!!

Anyway, I think this is really a great leap forward for Ducati.

 

With some mods, I think the base 1098 shouldn't have any problem hitting 200bhp?!!?

1098 Rocks

[Guest nE0]

I would really like a 1098, or 1200cc Supersport...

 

Too bad Singapore's tax and insurance structure is based on engine capacity, no power output...

[cagiva03]

Originally posted by TiUsTer@Nov 11 2006, 09:03 AM

yo bro, jus went to n spoke to Mary, the price of the 1098 is gonna b the same as 999. 30+ range. anyway, she told me theres a angmo guy selling off his 749s, 2 yrs old. he is leaving the country. selling for 23k+. i itchy again man.

23K for a S version! Wow, thats cheap.

[D.O.C]

Originally posted by cagiva03@Nov 13 2006, 11:49 PM

23K for a S version! Wow, thats cheap.

i think 1-2 yrs back mark is selling the like 31k with termi and chip and i nearly bought it. eugene is the one that warn me, this beast engine is setup differently and is based on the racing engines. i am no mac and know nuts abt it.

 

but what it boils down is as eugene explain in lay mans terms very costly servicing. my monster S4 cost abt 6oo-700 for full service. the 916-996 cost abt 800 and the newer 999 cost abt 1k plus a bit to do full service. bu this 749s will cost abt nearer to 2k and as the engine is higher revving, so better to service very promptly.

 

how this info helps.

[ellamcoy]

Originally posted by cagiva03@Nov 13 2006, 11:49 PM

23K for a S version! Wow, thats cheap.

That is hell of a bargain

[ellamcoy]

Originally posted by D.O.C@Nov 14 2006, 07:59 AM

i think 1-2 yrs back mark is selling the like 31k with termi and chip and i nearly bought it. eugene is the one that warn me, this beast engine is setup differently and is based on the racing engines. i am no mac and know nuts abt it.

 

but what it boils down is as eugene explain in lay mans terms very costly servicing. my monster S4 cost abt 6oo-700 for full service. the 916-996 cost abt 800 and the newer 999 cost abt 1k plus a bit to do full service. bu this 749s will cost abt nearer to 2k and as the engine is higher revving, so better to service very promptly.

 

how this info helps.

How come the 749 servicing so muz diff? Is zit becos of the high rev that generate the heat or the mechanical wear n tear?

[cagiva03]

My full servicing cost around $800 plus also!

[Cyanide14]

Originally posted by swirlacer@Nov 2 2006, 04:08 PM

hiz all, that accident bike at holland road whr the rider died is currently at bikenscooter workshop awaiting insurance settlement. its a FR plater.right side mirror gone,right fairing had alot of scratches. overall bike still ok. the rider used to be a regular at bikenscooter wkshp. few months b4,his friend also a regular had an accident at mersing in thailand. so now, him. Very sad. I happened to be servicing my bike there today and i saw that bike. Sigh. Very sad case. ducati 916.

Is this bike still selling?

Owned by an Ang Mo before?

[Guest nE0]

Actually, you guys can save alot more if you do the cheaper, simplier jobs elsewhere.

 

Engine oil, oil filter, air filter, spark plugs, clutch/brake fluids, brake pads, clutch plates, clutch throwout bearing, clutch slave cylinder, coolant, fuel filter, tyres, wheel bearings, chain, sprocket all can be done by any competent mechanic. Infact, the clutch is so easy to access, it can be done at the pitlane if you want, with just an allenkey set.

 

All these will save you a bunch when it comes to servicing. In fact, i believe it would cost roughly the same if you take your Fireblade to Boon siew and ask them to do a full service.

 

Ever tried changing spark plugs on a CBR600RR? Its a fairing out, fuel tank out, airbox out, fuel injectors out (two rows of them) job that can take half a day. On the 999, front one can be changed in 5 minutes, rear one is alittle more tricky, have to lift the tank, but can be done in 20 minutes.

[ellamcoy]

Originally posted by nE0@Nov 15 2006, 09:23 AM

Actually, you guys can save alot more if you do the cheaper, simplier jobs elsewhere.

 

Engine oil, oil filter, air filter, spark plugs, clutch/brake fluids, brake pads, clutch plates, clutch throwout bearing, clutch slave cylinder, coolant, fuel filter, tyres, wheel bearings, chain, sprocket all can be done by any competent mechanic. Infact, the clutch is so easy to access, it can be done at the pitlane if you want, with just an allenkey set.

 

All these will save you a bunch when it comes to servicing. In fact, i believe it would cost roughly the same if you take your Fireblade to Boon siew and ask them to do a full service.

 

Ever tried changing spark plugs on a CBR600RR? Its a fairing out, fuel tank out, airbox out, fuel injectors out (two rows of them) job that can take half a day. On the 999, front one can be changed in 5 minutes, rear one is alittle more tricky, have to lift the tank, but can be done in 20 minutes.

Totally agreed bro

[ellamcoy]

I remember spending muz muz more on my CBR600RR than my 748 in servicing..in the end i decide to let go of my CBR n keep the duke.

[D.O.C]

can anyone elaborate on the high cost of servicing the 749S version.

i saw it somewhere in ducatis forum and cant recall exactly wat eugene said.

 

but it has to do with how the cams, valve are arrange such that more time have to be spent on it.

 

also due to the high rev character of the 749, you really need to come in for servcining.

[ktkt]

Originally posted by D.O.C@Nov 16 2006, 08:34 AM

can anyone elaborate on the high cost of servicing the 749S version.

i saw it somewhere in ducatis forum and cant recall exactly wat eugene said.

 

but it has to do with how the cams, valve are arrange such that more time have to be spent on it.

 

also due to the high rev character of the 749, you really need to come in for servcining.

The 749/999 have a revised valve angle and cylinder head I think. Plus new layout of the wirings.

I think it just boils down to labour cost+no. of hours involved.

 

Strange though, I thought the new design and layout of the newer bikes was supposed to help reduce labour/make maintainance easier. That's wat I read from Ducati website.

 

Don't haev a 749/999 so I dunno.

[ktkt]

http://www.ducati.com

 

website updated with 2007 bikes.

[spot city]

Originally posted by ktkt@Nov 16 2006, 07:49 PM

http://www.ducati.com

 

website updated with 2007 bikes.

hi there,

 

jus askin is ducati bike more powerful compare to japanese bike like yamaha r1 or honda fire blade? r ducati maintaince higher than jap bike ?

 

mind sharing ? thanks

 

:smile:

[TiUsTer]

Originally posted by spot city@Nov 17 2006, 01:07 AM

hi there,

 

jus askin is ducati bike more powerful compare to japanese bike like yamaha r1 or honda fire blade? r ducati maintaince higher than jap bike ?

 

mind sharing ? thanks

 

:smile:

its like comparing a Lotus Exige with a fully moded 350Z or R34. really depends on wat u wan out of a bike, n wat u wan to use it for. I hav got a fully trickout R606 n a stock 748. use both for track. to me i dun hav to mod the 748 at all. but for my R6 i hav to spend on mre stuff to get it right. at the end of the day, both bikes comes to almost the same $ invested. i think u shld atleast try a duc once in ur lifetime. but b warn. u may nvr wan to part with it ever. i feel its the ultimate track bike. hope tis feedbac helps. i'm selling my 748 but to b honest, i still luv it more over my R6.

[cagiva03]

Originally posted by TiUsTer@Nov 17 2006, 04:56 PM

its like comparing a Lotus Exige with a fully moded 350Z or R34. really depends on wat u wan out of a bike, n wat u wan to use it for. I hav got a fully trickout R606 n a stock 748. use both for track. to me i dun hav to mod the 748 at all. but for my R6 i hav to spend on mre stuff to get it right. at the end of the day, both bikes comes to almost the same $ invested. i think u shld atleast try a duc once in ur lifetime. but b warn. u may nvr wan to part with it ever. i feel its the ultimate track bike. hope tis feedbac helps. i'm selling my 748 but to b honest, i still luv it more over my R6.

Well said.

 

I am been a in-line four riders for many years and just got my Duke less than a year ago. I totally agree with TiUsTer and i too owned a K5 GSXR 600 before this ride. A lot of effort and $$$ have been put on the bike in order to set it up for track purpose. And i got to admit that the result that i get from my GSX still did not surpass the performance of my current ride. But i still miss the high speed of a in-line four as compared to a V-Twin. And now i am in love with the V-Twin configuration.

 

 

-spot city- What do u define as "more powerful"??? Are u refering to the horsepower or the torque??? Generally a V-Twin has got higher torque and lower horsepower as compared to a In-Line four of the same C.C..... As for handling wise, Japanese bikes nowadays are improving their technology and Geometry of the bike drastically. They are starting to throw in new parts and gadgets nowadays. Take for example, The new R1 07. It now has a slipper clutch, moveable velocity stacks, high/low speed adjustable suspensions, Radial calipers, which a 2002/2003 version do not have at all. (04/05/06 models has some of those goodies). But look at what Ducati is producing for the year 2007. A whole new 1098 CC sportbike which is heavily Mod. The performance of the new Duke definetly surpass any Japanese bike u can find in the market nowadays.

 

Every bike has their pros and cons. Consider carefully before u get one. I am not trying to encorage u to ride a Duke, but to be honest , i really dun feel like to ride a In-line four after this. I loved the torque that it produces and the stability of the bike when i am taking a corner. And last of all the trade mark, V-Twin growls fiercely. It felt as though a monster is trap underneath ur fuel tank, waiting to be release.

[spot city]

Originally posted by cagiva03@Nov 17 2006, 10:34 PM

Well said.

 

I am been a in-line four riders for many years and just got my Duke less than a year ago. I totally agree with TiUsTer and i too owned a K5 GSXR 600 before this ride. A lot of effort and $$$ have been put on the bike in order to set it up for track purpose. And i got to admit that the result that i get from my GSX still did not surpass the performance of my current ride. But i still miss the high speed of a in-line four as compared to a V-Twin. And now i am in love with the V-Twin configuration.

 

 

-spot city- What do u define as "more powerful"??? Are u refering to the horsepower or the torque??? Generally a V-Twin has got higher torque and lower horsepower as compared to a In-Line four of the same C.C..... As for handling wise, Japanese bikes nowadays are improving their technology and Geometry of the bike drastically. They are starting to throw in new parts and gadgets nowadays. Take for example, The new R1 07. It now has a slipper clutch, moveable velocity stacks, high/low speed adjustable suspensions, Radial calipers, which a 2002/2003 version do not have at all. (04/05/06 models has some of those goodies). But look at what Ducati is producing for the year 2007. A whole new 1098 CC sportbike which is heavily Mod. The performance of the new Duke definetly surpass any Japanese bike u can find in the market nowadays.

 

Every bike has their pros and cons. Consider carefully before u get one. I am not trying to encorage u to ride a Duke, but to be honest , i really dun feel like to ride a In-line four after this. I loved the torque that it produces and the stability of the bike when i am taking a corner. And last of all the trade mark, V-Twin growls fiercely. It felt as though a monster is trap underneath ur fuel tank, waiting to be release.

well seems like both in line 4 and v twin hav pro n con.

 

well its kinda tricky to define powerful. basically i m wondering how different compare in line 4 to v twin. coz sum say in line 4 hav power on the high end or mean high speed advantage.

 

so does v twin hav the same good acceleration n high end speed. ??

 

well honestly i think duc is like a ferrari for bike. every1 hope to hav it in their lifetime and i think its worth while coz its the cheaper way to own a high end vehicle versus ferrari. dun ever dare to dream on it.

 

the problem is i heard tat duc bike is very high on maintainance cost.

is it true ?

 

 

 

:smile:

[cagiva03]

Originally posted by spot city@Nov 18 2006, 12:02 AM

well seems like both in line 4 and v twin hav pro n con.

 

well its kinda tricky to define powerful. basically i m wondering how different compare in line 4 to v twin. coz sum say in line 4 hav power on the high end or mean high speed advantage.

 

so does v twin hav the same good acceleration n high end speed. ??

 

well honestly i think duc is like a ferrari for bike. every1 hope to hav it in their lifetime and i think its worth while coz its the cheaper way to own a high end vehicle versus ferrari. dun ever dare to dream on it.

 

the problem is i heard tat duc bike is very high on maintainance cost.

is it true ?

 

 

 

:smile:

V-twin has better accerleration in the low rev range as compared to a in-line 4. Becos the powerband of a in-line four start usually after half of the total rev limit. That means if a in-line 4 was to remain it's rev that is above that range, they will tend to out-run a v-twin on the straight. Thus a in-line four has advantages on the straight over V-twins. But it is also due to this reason that a in-line four is harder to control when u accelerate out of a corner. It takes really precision handling of the throttle slowly, gently and skillfully, due to the sudden power surge. If not u start drifting out of the corner with ur rear wheel spinning. Chances are of having a high side and low side becomes very high. Where else a V-twin has it power evenly spread across its tachrometer. This means that power is available anytime anywhere, u dun have to wait . This allows u to accelerate out of the corner smoothly and safely, without the sudden surge.

 

Think of it this way: A V-twin out runs a inline four during the accleleration at lower end. The bike started pulling further and further away from the inline four. By the time the engine of the in line four is starting to to take its full effect, the v-twin would have pulled away a longer distance already. From here onwards, it is the in-line four that is desperately trying to catch up with the twin in front of him. And finally, u see a traffic light junction in front of u 200 meters away , u ease off the throttle at the 100 meters mark and applied ur brakes. The v-twin won the fight.

 

I am sure a lot of Duke bros in here encounter this kind of situation oftenly on the road.

 

Regarding the high maintainance issue, pls read thru what Neo has mention earlier on top. If u could find a competent mechanic to service ur bike and purchase after markets parts other than the original ones, the cost is not high at all.

[TiUsTer]

cost of parts for ducati is bout the same as kawa prices. anyway if u r a regular at minerva, they always give u 15% off. lowend models of duc requires less servicing like 748, 916, 996, 998 monoposto or biposto, or 749, 999. but once u go into the SPS, S or R version, then more servicing. u hav to understand wats in the engine. they r all lighten racing parts. put it tis way: if u wan to buy a 2nd hand RS250, do u think u still can find a gd condition one now??? reason so is it requires more maintenance but the silly owners nvr ever stick to the schedules, they think its a NSR150.

 

to my own conclusion. its best to buy a used 748 bone stock n put a complete 853 kit in it. advantages: high reving than the 9 series, may smoke a 916, n best of all maintainance is just like a 748 mono.

 

was offered by Mary tt an angmo selling off his 03 749s. very well maintain. he is leaving the country to the price is rediculars. only $23k. i'm super gian. but i hav already put so much onto my R606 so i think i give it a pass.

 

one last thing to say, duc r built for TRACK! every little single detail n i mean it. ever try removing the full fairing including the tank n seat unit of any jap bike? takes bout 30-45mins. for a duc, i garantee u will b able to do it under 10mins.

[spot city]

Originally posted by TiUsTer@Nov 18 2006, 07:44 AM

cost of parts for ducati is bout the same as kawa prices. anyway if u r a regular at minerva, they always give u 15% off. lowend models of duc requires less servicing like 748, 916, 996, 998 monoposto or biposto, or 749, 999. but once u go into the SPS, S or R version, then more servicing. u hav to understand wats in the engine. they r all lighten racing parts. put it tis way: if u wan to buy a 2nd hand RS250, do u think u still can find a gd condition one now??? reason so is it requires more maintenance but the silly owners nvr ever stick to the schedules, they think its a NSR150.

 

to my own conclusion. its best to buy a used 748 bone stock n put a complete 853 kit in it. advantages: high reving than the 9 series, may smoke a 916, n best of all maintainance is just like a 748 mono.

 

was offered by Mary tt an angmo selling off his 03 749s. very well maintain. he is leaving the country to the price is rediculars. only $23k. i'm super gian. but i hav already put so much onto my R606 so i think i give it a pass.

 

one last thing to say, duc r built for TRACK! every little single detail n i mean it. ever try removing the full fairing including the tank n seat unit of any jap bike? takes bout 30-45mins. for a duc, i garantee u will b able to do it under 10mins.

thanks to tiuster and cagiva 03.

 

well jus tat people always say ducati its high maintainance n tempermental too.

only u guy who own the bike know it well. guess its ok to own it in this lifetime.

 

btw wat model u guys own ? how much does the 999 cost in sg ?

any idea the new 1098 wil be costing at ?

 

do u guys ride the bike daily or only on weekend?

 

:bounce:

[Guest nE0]

The newer inline4 machines produce more torque at any rpms than 999s.

 

But its the way V-twins deliver the power that makes them so rewarding to ride. Some like it, others don't get it.

 

For me, I just love it when I roll on the power, and the bike comes alive. Induction noise deepens an octave, exhaust goes from a burble to a deep Ducati boom, and you feel every single power pulse through the seat.

 

On an Inline4 machine, you get a turbine like whine, and the power comes in smoothly. Fast, efficient, very rapid, but quite un-eventful.

[spot city]

Originally posted by nE0@Nov 19 2006, 11:25 PM

The newer inline4 machines produce more torque at any rpms than 999s.

 

But its the way V-twins deliver the power that makes them so rewarding to ride. Some like it, others don't get it.

 

For me, I just love it when I roll on the power, and the bike comes alive. Induction noise deepens an octave, exhaust goes from a burble to a deep Ducati boom, and you feel every single power pulse through the seat.

 

On an Inline4 machine, you get a turbine like whine, and the power comes in smoothly. Fast, efficient, very rapid, but quite un-eventful.

WELL i guess they improve on new model.

 

jus curious by ur words, u say the inline four machine like a turbine like whine, and the power comes in smoothly. Fast, efficient, very rapid, but quite un-eventful.

 

could u kindly elaborate on the word un-eventful ? is it bcoz its too sudden surge of power or kinda late and til then u reach the traffic light b4 u can chase a v twin bike ?

 

hope u dun mind yeah. :bounce: