[Technical] Queries for TA200

[Tycoon]

Hi people, just pass my TP a few weeks ago and new to the forum.

I got a second hand phantom(TA200) a few days ago from a bike shop.

 

The bike technician told me not to ride too fast (>80km/hr) first as the engine had just been fix. But i also heard from people that i should ride faster instead to see if there is any problem with the bike at at higher speed and clarify with bike shop before my warranty end. What are your opinion on this?

 

Next i got a problem, i was riding at about 90+km/hr (5th gear iirc) and when i close the throttle, my bike had some problem. It jerk and i think skid. Something like when you drop to low gear with high speed. But i am sure i did not kick down my gear nor did i clutch in. Immediately after this i throttle a bit more and slowly close back my throttle. Then the same thing happen again (but with lesser force) the bike jerk and skid. Anyone know what causes it to happen?

 

After the whole incident, i ride to the carpark and park my bike.(Neutral gear, off engine) When i try to start my bike about 10 min later, i cannot start. All i can hear when i pressed the starter switch was "tiak tiak tiak". What happen?

 

Hope there is someone that can help me. Thanks.

 

 

 

Edit

 

After checking out the forums for a while, i think one the the possible reason that i cannot start my bike is because of faulty battery?

 

i can push start my bike, signal light not working when i on my headlight. If the reason is really due to a faulty battery, how come it died so fast? I only ride it for like 2-3 days. What could be the possibility that i had spoil my battery in a few day? Is it due to any of my bad riding habit?

 

How do i maintain my battery and how much will it cost to replace one? Any bike shop to recommend?

 

I still have not figure out the reason behind the jerking when i close throttle at high speed....

Edited January 28, 2010 by Tycoon

[armani123sg]

Hi people, just pass my TP a few weeks ago and new to the forum.

I got a second hand phantom(TA200) a few days ago from a bike shop.

 

The bike technician told me not to ride too fast (>80km/hr) first as the engine had just been fix. But i also heard from people that i should ride faster instead to see if there is any problem with the bike at at higher speed and clarify with bike shop before my warranty end. What are your opinion on this?

 

Next i got a problem, i was riding at about 90+km/hr (5th gear iirc) and when i close the throttle, my bike had some problem. It jerk and i think skid. Something like when you drop to low gear with high speed. But i am sure i did not kick down my gear nor did i clutch in. Immediately after this i throttle a bit more and slowly close back my throttle. Then the same thing happen again (but with lesser force) the bike jerk and skid. Anyone know what causes it to happen?

 

After the whole incident, i ride to the carpark and park my bike.(Neutral gear, off engine) When i try to start my bike about 10 min later, i cannot start. All i can hear when i pressed the starter switch was "tiak tiak tiak". What happen?

 

Hope there is someone that can help me. Thanks.

 

 

 

Edit

 

After checking out the forums for a while, i think one the the possible reason that i cannot start my bike is because of faulty battery?

 

i can push start my bike, signal light not working when i on my headlight. If the reason is really due to a faulty battery, how come it died so fast? I only ride it for like 2-3 days. What could be the possibility that i had spoil my battery in a few day? Is it due to any of my bad riding habit?

 

How do i maintain my battery and how much will it cost to replace one? Any bike shop to recommend?

 

I still have not figure out the reason behind the jerking when i close throttle at high speed....

 

i think its this thing called the carbon starter... u better quickly go back bike shop n ask them change for free! just buy only, sekali they purposely put spolt one for u so that u'll have to pay when u wanna go repair... i am pretty positive its the carbon starter... cause i experienced it... repair at planet i think costs $50-$60... pls dun kenna cheated...

[armani123sg]

i think its this thing called the carbon starter... u better quickly go back bike shop n ask them change for free! just buy only, sekali they purposely put spolt one for u so that u'll have to pay when u wanna go repair... i am pretty positive its the carbon starter... cause i experienced it... repair at planet i think costs $50-$60... pls dun kenna cheated...

 

oh oh! u said jerking right??? i didnt experience jerking while riding... i experienced only inability to start bike, after push start i was able to ride properly... if i not wrong, jerking while riding is due to faulty CDI... i dunno whats that n what it does but i know expensive to repair which bike shop u buy from bro?

[mepkoh]

Hi people, just pass my TP a few weeks ago and new to the forum.

I got a second hand phantom(TA200) a few days ago from a bike shop.

 

The bike technician told me not to ride too fast (>80km/hr) first as the engine had just been fix. But i also heard from people that i should ride faster instead to see if there is any problem with the bike at at higher speed and clarify with bike shop before my warranty end. What are your opinion on this?

 

Next i got a problem, i was riding at about 90+km/hr (5th gear iirc) and when i close the throttle, my bike had some problem. It jerk and i think skid. Something like when you drop to low gear with high speed. But i am sure i did not kick down my gear nor did i clutch in. Immediately after this i throttle a bit more and slowly close back my throttle. Then the same thing happen again (but with lesser force) the bike jerk and skid. Anyone know what causes it to happen?

 

After the whole incident, i ride to the carpark and park my bike.(Neutral gear, off engine) When i try to start my bike about 10 min later, i cannot start. All i can hear when i pressed the starter switch was "tiak tiak tiak". What happen?

 

Hope there is someone that can help me. Thanks.

 

 

 

Edit

 

After checking out the forums for a while, i think one the the possible reason that i cannot start my bike is because of faulty battery?

 

i can push start my bike, signal light not working when i on my headlight. If the reason is really due to a faulty battery, how come it died so fast? I only ride it for like 2-3 days. What could be the possibility that i had spoil my battery in a few day? Is it due to any of my bad riding habit?

 

How do i maintain my battery and how much will it cost to replace one? Any bike shop to recommend?

 

I still have not figure out the reason behind the jerking when i close throttle at high speed....

 

 

when u close throttle..did the engine died?? if it did your bike is slowing down very fast..engine brake..very fast. and of course u feel jerking for an instant, skidding too,if the engine brake is super fast..

and then engine will roar to live again,.i would suggest u take a look and clean or replace your air filter/spark plug if neccesary.. tune the carb (best is to go back to shop ask for a service on the carb....)

 

you may have a faulty battery...some lousy/dying battery after charging immediately u can start engine for a day or 2..jialat one kept overnight it drains off..u cant do it the next day..yeah bad battery is the likely fault.

[VidaK]

Tycoon, welcome!

 

well... there is a good chance that battery is simply flat... since you just bought it off a shop...

 

as for the engine... it would be difficult for us to understand what is its condition... I would suggest that you take your phantom to planet motor, at block 3007 ubi road 1 #01-430 and let the boss ah chong to test ride your bike... he should be able to diagnose the problems that you bike has...

 

hopefully your phantom would be getting better soon!

[Tycoon]

i think its this thing called the carbon starter... u better quickly go back bike shop n ask them change for free! just buy only, sekali they purposely put spolt one for u so that u'll have to pay when u wanna go repair... i am pretty positive its the carbon starter... cause i experienced it... repair at planet i think costs $50-$60... pls dun kenna cheated...

Thanks for the input, erm... what is the carbon starter for anyway?

 

oh oh! u said jerking right??? i didnt experience jerking while riding... i experienced only inability to start bike, after push start i was able to ride properly... if i not wrong, jerking while riding is due to faulty CDI... i dunno whats that n what it does but i know expensive to repair which bike shop u buy from bro?

 

Not sure if is jerking. Is like when you kick to low gear while traveling at high speed that kind of feeling. Then got a skid a bit after that.

 

when u close throttle..did the engine died?? if it did your bike is slowing down very fast..engine brake..very fast. and of course u feel jerking for an instant, skidding too,if the engine brake is super fast..

and then engine will roar to live again,.i would suggest u take a look and clean or replace your air filter/spark plug if neccesary.. tune the carb (best is to go back to shop ask for a service on the carb....)

 

you may have a faulty battery...some lousy/dying battery after charging immediately u can start engine for a day or 2..jialat one kept overnight it drains off..u cant do it the next day..yeah bad battery is the likely fault.

 

The engine did not died but got funny sound. I think you might be right. It is due to the engine brake. I flip through my motorcycle handbook and found out the way i change gear is wrong. i was doing close throttle then clutch in instead of close throttle and clutch in at the same time. I think that explain why i experience the strong engine brake and skid and i would not have notice it if i am riding at low speed because the engine brake will be weaker.

 

Carb = carbon starter? How do i tune it?

 

 

well... there is a good chance that battery is simply flat... since you just bought it off a shop...

 

as for the engine... it would be difficult for us to understand what is its condition... I would suggest that you take your phantom to planet motor, at block 3007 ubi road 1 #01-430 and let the boss ah chong to test ride your bike... he should be able to diagnose the problems that you bike has...

 

You mean the shop gave me a flat battery or faulty/lousy battery? How do i check the condition of the battery and maintain it?

 

I definitely will check out planet motor sometime, a lot of people in the forum had been talking about this shop. Thanks!

[mepkoh]

Carb = carbon starter? How do i tune it?....??????????????

 

carb is short for carburetta..the device for mixing air and petrol..need pro to tune..

carbon thingy is a piece of carbon found in the starter motor..need to replace if worn..

[VidaK]

Thanks for the input, erm... what is the carbon starter for anyway?

 

 

 

Not sure if is jerking. Is like when you kick to low gear while traveling at high speed that kind of feeling. Then got a skid a bit after that.

 

 

 

The engine did not died but got funny sound. I think you might be right. It is due to the engine brake. I flip through my motorcycle handbook and found out the way i change gear is wrong. i was doing close throttle then clutch in instead of close throttle and clutch in at the same time. I think that explain why i experience the strong engine brake and skid and i would not have notice it if i am riding at low speed because the engine brake will be weaker.

 

Carb = carbon starter? How do i tune it?

 

 

 

 

You mean the shop gave me a flat battery or faulty/lousy battery? How do i check the condition of the battery and maintain it?

 

I definitely will check out planet motor sometime, a lot of people in the forum had been talking about this shop. Thanks!

 

if you press the electric starter, it have some sound but the engine can't start... it might be flat... to charge the battery, simply riding around... best is to ride for an hour...

[wahwah90]

i would like to ask if the bottom left of the engine part is leaking EO(i guess) but it look oily..but i not sure what is the prob..any pro know what is happening to my bike?

its a TA200

 

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6403/29012010249.th.jpg

[devil.L]

i would like to ask if the bottom left of the engine part is leaking EO(i guess) but it look oily..but i not sure what is the prob..any pro know what is happening to my bike?

its a TA200

 

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6403/29012010249.th.jpg

 

mm, for this angle of th pic, i think its th EO cap loose alr..

th cap at th bottom t discharge th old EO, its not rlly a cap thou, a nut rathr?

 

maybe shd let th seniors fill you in with better detail.. (:

[Tycoon]

I am still puzzled why i will have such great engine brake(big enough for me to skid) when i close throttle at 90+km/hr. Isn't it the right way to gear down? Close throttle, gently brake then gear down?

[devil.L]

I am still puzzled why i will have such great engine brake(big enough for me to skid) when i close throttle at 90+km/hr. Isn't it the right way to gear down? Close throttle, gently brake then gear down?

 

wht i do is, gradual closing of throttle balanced with gradual disengaging th gear, t get free wheeling.. thn apply break..

this is not very advisable thou..

 

one thing i wld advice is, never close your throttle too fast.

wht you might want t try, close gradually, slowly..

thn apply break till 2nd arrow on th ground (lets say you'r stopping at a regular traffic light) thn clutch in nd drop gear.

kick, down down down (gear 3) speed reduced to 30 nd below thn drop 3 more times, down down down, you'r in gear 1, good t stop.

 

tht's wht i do usually. (:

no harm trying dude.

[VidaK]

i would like to ask if the bottom left of the engine part is leaking EO(i guess) but it look oily..but i not sure what is the prob..any pro know what is happening to my bike?

its a TA200

 

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6403/29012010249.th.jpg

 

clean the entire area, then ride for a while. observe if any eo is leaking out... if yes, note where it is coming from

 

I am still puzzled why i will have such great engine brake(big enough for me to skid) when i close throttle at 90+km/hr. Isn't it the right way to gear down? Close throttle, gently brake then gear down?

 

hmmm... did you clutch out gently after you downshift...?

[Tycoon]

i close throttle only, haven't clutch in. Already kena engine brake le...

[devil.L]

close throttle without clutching in means engine break mah..

if close throttle without clutching in no engine break thn you shd worry..

[Tycoon]

But is it normal for the engine brake to be so strong that the bike skid?

[devil.L]

high speed, low gear, engine break, yes. its normal. nd its unhealthy..

use engine break t slow down thn drop gear..

 

tell you wht bro, meet me nd othr rides up ltr in th morning instead, want?

[VidaK]

I think I know why... is your idling speed very very low...? if it is, tune it a little higher and try riding again...?

[Tycoon]

What time you guys meeting? i going bike shop in the morning. coz bike cannot start. i think battery dead. i just pass TP. i am noob.

[devil.L]

we'r meeting up at 6+ am..

if you want you can come along.. (:

[Tycoon]

I really wish that i can make it but my bike key is with my friend. coz we going to the bike shop tgt later. i think now he also sleeping liao. plus my bike cannot start... zzz... i try to make it on the next gathering ba. Thanks

[devil.L]

oh, alrights thn..

you can always push start, i suppose..

beep me whn you'r good t meet. (:

[Tycoon]

change the starter, now can start liao:cheeky:

[ahcaibiker]

change the starter, now can start liao:cheeky:

 

starter motor? now that should cost a bomb not?

[wahwah90]

clean the entire area, then ride for a while. observe if any eo is leaking out... if yes, note where it is coming from :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i did notice some black oil(eo i guess) on the nut dripping a few drop sometime..

what could be the prob? the nut not tighten properly?