Inevitable Crash/Collision

[CSV]

I was thinking if someone is interested to organise a practise session where ppl can practise a slalom course where ppl can get acquainted with making turns quickly and ebrakes.

 

If driving centres had that like they do overseas, and you could use your own bike, that would be great! Imagine being able to do the ebraking on wet surface ON your own bike at BBDC. Surely you would end the day confident of knowing how much your bike and you are capable of and be able to utilise in an emergency situation.

 

do in carpark ah, those commercial vehicle open air carpark, late at night. minimal traffic and distraction. bring along some cones or use what you can find there.

[contrarian]

even in army also teach u break fall, u mean got so zhun u fall that way and use ur arm and shout heeyah! and really use ur arms to zham the ground to break fall to prevent more damage to ur torso?!?! come on.. but still teach coz may really come into play ma?

 

It may really come into play through repeated internalisation. Twice I slipped while walking, and instinctively went into the break fall movement learnt from unarmed combat that you described. As the leg slips and goes up, the arm comes out and slaps the ground hard, ending in the break fall position of sorts.

Edited January 31, 2010 by contrarian

[contrarian]

I was just wondering, If let's say, you were suddenly in a situation where a crash or head-on collision is inevitable.

 

Is there any research which shows which is the best way to crash? eg. Purposely slide the bike and skid, try leap out pf the bike, Try and roll away...etc...

 

Putting aside head-on collisions, I'd prefer not to suddenly swerve into another lane - that can be far more dangerous than crashing.

 

Would apply the brakes to bleed off speed to reduce the impact on the hit if going to hit the vehicle in front.

[Stoned]

I've heard some older bikers tell me that in the event of a fall, I should relax my body and not tense up. They said that tensing up would break more bones. Letting the body "go soft" and roll reduces the damage.

 

But as many others will tell u, trying not get into the situation where u have to execute a proper fall is better. Because even if you can execute proper fall, you can't control whats coming behind you. That to me is a bigger worry than an improper fall. In a nutshell, better to worry about not falling And consider wearing some gears so that the damage from a fall is minimized.

 

I don't know about the truth of the above but based on MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) training, or Muay Thai for that matter, you are trained to tense up the muscles covering the area about to take the impact to protect vital organs and bones. The reason being muscles, if properly conditioned, can take a much greater beating than organs or bones. Further more, impact is spread out over an area instead of being a point impact to a comparatively brittle structure like bone.

 

Bones themselves, if properly conditioned, can take severe impacts without significant damage. Many martial arts focus on bone conditioning as it keeps the fighter safe.

 

The reason why I think this is relevant is according to a Discovery channel documentary entitled "Masters of MMA", a roundhouse kick to the midsection carries an even greater impact than crash dummies involved in a 60kph(or mph? I can't recall) motor accident. Hence, if you can keep fighting after that sort of impact there must be some truth to the protective techniques taught. In a fight, you would typically receive that sort of impact multiple times over a variety of body parts.

 

Personally, I engage in MMA to keep fit and have actually used the protective techniques to keep myself alive in a bike accident some years back. Granted I was wearing protective gear but I got side swiped by an alfa romeo, flew across two lanes and into the green centre divider. With a combination of luck and training, not even a bruise.

 

Bottom-line, I think riding is a sport, that happens to be a road legal form of transport. So keeping fit keeps you alive!

[scubasimon]

1. wear protective gear! don't leave home without it!

2. if you have to fall, be sure to get your legs out of the way of your bike.

 

the rest are already mentioned by others. be alert and hopefully this can be avoided...but sometimes it is not within your control.

[nikonll]

I don't know about the truth of the above but based on MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) training, or Muay Thai for that matter, you are trained to tense up the muscles covering the area about to take the impact to protect vital organs and bones. The reason being muscles, if properly conditioned, can take a much greater beating than organs or bones. Further more, impact is spread out over an area instead of being a point impact to a comparatively brittle structure like bone.

 

Bones themselves, if properly conditioned, can take severe impacts without significant damage. Many martial arts focus on bone conditioning as it keeps the fighter safe.

 

The reason why I think this is relevant is according to a Discovery channel documentary entitled "Masters of MMA", a roundhouse kick to the midsection carries an even greater impact than crash dummies involved in a 60kph(or mph? I can't recall) motor accident. Hence, if you can keep fighting after that sort of impact there must be some truth to the protective techniques taught. In a fight, you would typically receive that sort of impact multiple times over a variety of body parts.

 

Personally, I engage in MMA to keep fit and have actually used the protective techniques to keep myself alive in a bike accident some years back. Granted I was wearing protective gear but I got side swiped by an alfa romeo, flew across two lanes and into the green centre divider. With a combination of luck and training, not even a bruise.

 

Bottom-line, I think riding is a sport, that happens to be a road legal form of transport. So keeping fit keeps you alive!

 

I would think it would be a mixture of both. Tensing up for direct blunt force, and relaxing to reduce force from deceleration...

[econbizer]

If possible during the split seconds before the crash, slide the bike till the exhaust faces upwards, so it won't burn your leg as you skid

 

Good luck to bros riding bikes with twin exhuasts on both sides.

[econbizer]

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[ahcongie]

i would say leave it to fate =) .. no time to react

[xine]

Ya, luck would still play the biggest part of all.

 

If you're riding a bike daily, joining the peak hour jam and all, I'm sure having close shaves are already so common that its like, second nature to you. Any one of those close shaves can turn into death (worst case scenario) in a matter of seconds.

 

What to do? That's riding mah~ haha

[adesmond2]

irregardless of wat.. react wat you think is the best way out.. *safest way.. some people choose rev up and over take.. some choose brake hard and go behind.. just choose wat's safe for you... car sudden brake.. If no car on left, swing to left lane.. if got car.. see the distance and judge.. if you CONFIRM cannot brake in time.. rev and maintain a distance between the car behind and the car infront and cuts into left lane.. all depends on your choice and the distance...

[JackOHJack]

i saw on a video a female rider let go of her handlebars to prevent her wrist from BREAKING, as in like totally ripped out of the arm, not mere dislocate.. any views on that?

 

reason being when rider tensed up and hold onto handlebar, the braking force from impact will severe the wrist pivot point. [imagine body doing front flip but wrist still holding onto handlebar]

 

let go the bike let it go its own merry way. relax your body. whatever part of your body got armour on it can use it to take the shock (e.g. your forearm armour). tuck in your head and limbs and protect whatever unprotected parts.

 

use hands cup groin? i dun think anyone rides with a groin guard, whatever u call it.

 

It may really come into play through repeated internalisation. Twice I slipped while walking, and instinctively went into the break fall movement learnt from unarmed combat that you described. As the leg slips and goes up, the arm comes out and slaps the ground hard, ending in the break fall position of sorts.

 

repeated internalisation. omg, brings back memories of the ns days...