[Group] Super Four Non-VTEC Family: PB1 VerR & VerS

[smoothie]

i've got a small issue with starting my bike. in the morn or after a long time when the engine has cooled, i simply press the starter button once and the bike starts with no problem. but if the engine is still warm (fr my previous ride) i need to hold down the starter button for abt 1 sec & twist the throttle slightly to start the bike.

 

surely this isn't normal? it's prob just a small matter though but i wanted to check if anyone knew the reason for this.

[Ah Pek]

i've got a small issue with starting my bike. in the morn or after a long time when the engine has cooled, i simply press the starter button once and the bike starts with no problem. but if the engine is still warm (fr my previous ride) i need to hold down the starter button for abt 1 sec & twist the throttle slightly to start the bike.

 

surely this isn't normal? it's prob just a small matter though but i wanted to check if anyone knew the reason for this.

 

Normally you should practice twisting the throttle open twice or so to let the fuel vapor get into the chamber before you start your bike. When engine is warm or hot and when the flaps in the carbs are close, the inlet is dried of fuel. This is normal and common and not issue..otherwise, start the bike with a twist the throttle just like anyone else does.

 

If you want your bike to start without twisting throttle..increase your iding but its not everyone wants. The other thing is that your carbs may need some internal cleansing for sure start.

[kenshi1777]

No fix that its every sunday lah...just that, the more the merrier. I usually have my 'breakfast kopee there so if you guys are around the bend, just pop by lor.

 

Wow... So many people accompany u eat breakfast.

[kenshi1777]

Too long to type lah...did anyone say no good? May be tell us why first.

 

I always see you write composition here leh. This time is a book if need to write har? Only heard is something deal with combustion mixture that cause the back firing? Will it jam the pistols like those 2 strokes bike?

[Ah Pek]

I always see you write composition here leh. This time is a book if need to write har? Only heard is something deal with combustion mixture that cause the back firing? Will it jam the pistols like those 2 strokes bike?

 

Won't lah because 4 stroke bike uses pistons..not pistols or have pistols.. You have to understand why a 2 stroke pistol jammed first before relating it to back firing..it's world apart issue.

 

There are many ppl from SBF who pm me for their questions but lately I have stop that. I rather you all post in the forum so others can help too and answers would benefit others who have the same problem..don't you agree?

 

If you want to find out about "back firing", you can actually go to Wikipedia and get the understanding from there.

[smoothie]

Normally you should practice twisting the throttle open twice or so to let the fuel vapor get into the chamber before you start your bike. When engine is warm or hot and when the flaps in the carbs are close, the inlet is dried of fuel. This is normal and common and not issue..otherwise, start the bike with a twist the throttle just like anyone else does.

 

If you want your bike to start without twisting throttle..increase your iding but its not everyone wants. The other thing is that your carbs may need some internal cleansing for sure start.

 

ok thanks for the enlightenment, ah pek. since it's normal and common i think i'll leave it for the time being. i'll consider cleaning the carbs using your recommended method of jet spray which you told me abt next time. see you later then.

[hanxx]

i've got a small issue with starting my bike. in the morn or after a long time when the engine has cooled, i simply press the starter button once and the bike starts with no problem. but if the engine is still warm (fr my previous ride) i need to hold down the starter button for abt 1 sec & twist the throttle slightly to start the bike.

 

surely this isn't normal? it's prob just a small matter though but i wanted to check if anyone knew the reason for this.

 

haha,same for me,cool engine,one click on the starter,start liao.

 

warm engine need abit of throttle before it starts.lol:cheers:

[gearone]

Haha thanks ah pek,past weeks have been busy.

Finally,today passed class3 on second attempt.lol.

 

This coming week sure find you for kopi session.

 

congrats Hanxx!...i pass my cl3 years ago...always drive auto...den a few weeks back borrow my frens manual...haha...drive like idiot...kena horn at least twice leh...engine die at least once...lucky no accident...

 

so if you can better practice your manual...auto everybody can drive...just put to D and accelerate

 

 

Maybe I also wanna chiong my Class2 next year. The Bird is tempting me sia...

 

aah the bird is also tempting me..actually a lot cl2 bike tempting..africa twin is also quite nice...lucky just enrol my cl2 last week...but maybe start lesson around october like that...since hari raya mah...must spend time a bit visiting relatives...

 

anyone want to join me?...otherwise i lone ranger at ssdc learning cl2 like no shiok leh...

 

haha,same for me,cool engine,one click on the starter,start liao.

 

warm engine need abit of throttle before it starts.lol:cheers:

 

hmm...your bike same as mine...i think last week i hardly ride...ard 4-5 days neber touch bike...single press of start immediately my version S(low) come to life...kind of shocked..thought need at least a few minutes before it starts

 

and just to ask...for now at the end of my ride before parking i tend to rev to ard 2k-3k rpm abit just to let the fuel flow...is this ok? so far i think it helps with the starting up of the bike... kind of a habit i picked up when riding my 2 stroke phantom...

[kenshi1777]

Won't lah because 4 stroke bike uses pistons..not pistols or have pistols.. You have to understand why a 2 stroke pistol jammed first before relating it to back firing..it's world apart issue.

 

There are many ppl from SBF who pm me for their questions but lately I have stop that. I rather you all post in the forum so others can help too and answers would benefit others who have the same problem..don't you agree?

 

If you want to find out about "back firing", you can actually go to Wikipedia and get the understanding from there.

 

you mean 4 strokes use piston and 2 stroke use pistol??? As stated in your reply.

[Ah Pek]

you mean 4 strokes use piston and 2 stroke use pistol??? As stated in your reply.

 

This is what you posted mah : "Will it jam the pistols like those 2 strokes bike?".

I dunno 2 stroke got pistols mah.

[smoothie]

ok good to know the problem w warm start-up engine is not unique to my bike only.

 

abt the revving of engine before switching off engine, i rem i read somewhere in sbf that blipping the throttle hard just before switching off isn't good as it forces excess fuel to remain in the tubes or smth like that. but that was referring to hard revving i suppose, though it might also cause harm if you rev 2-3k rpm only.

 

i don't know for sure if it does any harm, but reading that article convinced me to kick the (bad) habit of blipping the throttle one final time just before turning off the engine.

[Ah Pek]

ok good to know the problem w warm start-up engine is not unique to my bike only.

 

abt the revving of engine before switching off engine, i rem i read somewhere in sbf that blipping the throttle hard just before switching off isn't good as it forces excess fuel to remain in the tubes or smth like that. but that was referring to hard revving i suppose, though it might also cause harm if you rev 2-3k rpm only.

 

i don't know for sure if it does any harm, but reading that article convinced me to kick the (bad) habit of blipping the throttle one final time just before turning off the engine.

 

"...blipping the throttle hard just before switching off isn't good as it forces excess fuel to remain in the tubes"

 

Nothing right or wrong about that but it does provide better flow to the carbs. Should asked them what harm can it do.

[Rf83]

are you referring to the suction type where there's no need for respray? i read some forum post abt it but haven't gotten ard to calling the workshop to check. i do rem its at kallang ave though. is that the one that's no longer in service?

 

 

Nope its the tank area wre the tank is..I did before and the apek ketok my tank to perfection few yrs back..

 

Now need him to ketok (not me) but the tank again..a bit out of shape ar..Yup guess kallang got 1 only near the ah boi workshop..wre tis apek go do his ketok bizness? Hmm

[kenshi1777]

You have to understand why a 2 stroke pistol jammed first before relating it to back firing..it's world apart issue.

 

this is your reply leh.. ah pek

[ghs]

You have to understand why a 2 stroke pistol jammed first before relating it to back firing..it's world apart issue.

 

this is your reply leh.. ah pek

Hey bro.. i see until i pengz what ah pek means is u have to understand why 2 stroke piston jammed first before relating it..

 

PisTon not PisTol as u type..

 

Our bikes inside dont have pistol one...

 

Anyway ahpek, will drop by thie few days week day evening for u to take a look at the bike, will contact u before heading over...

[kifakw]

i always blip the throttle to 2-3k before switching off the engine.

 

if you're on aftermarket end can with too rich(too much fuel) settings, it will cause a backfire once you start the engine the next time round.

[Ah Pek]

Hey bro.. i see until i pengz what ah pek means is u have to understand why 2 stroke piston jammed first before relating it..

 

PisTon not PisTol as u type..

 

Our bikes inside dont have pistol one...

 

Anyway ahpek, will drop by thie few days week day evening for u to take a look at the bike, will contact u before heading over...

 

 

Thanks for the explaination ..LOL!

[sleeper]

Hi,i juz gt my SUPERb 4 Ver S few hours ago! Hope to learn more here!

Anywae,how to noe if nd to switch to reserve? N reserve can last roughly how long?

Thx...

[HiLMi]

hey sleeper! congrats on your purchase! i'm also new here cos just got my Ver S 2 weeks ago. abt your questions, better leave it to ppl with more experience to answer eh!

 

Cheers,

HiLMi

[Ah Pek]

Hi,i juz gt my SUPERb 4 Ver S few hours ago! Hope to learn more here!

Anywae,how to noe if nd to switch to reserve? N reserve can last roughly how long?

Thx...

 

When in "on" position..ride till bike jerks as in petrol not going in. In sitting position on bike, turn clockwise with your left hand all the way till it stop..that's in "res" postion. Don't rely on the fuel guage meter..its just a guide..when it shows bottom low..you still have quite a bit.

 

Reserve is supposingly 3 litres..about 60km average.

 

 

Before you have any questions as a newbie..please run thru all paset post..the answers are all among there somewhere.

[fx110]

Try on PB1(2nd model), fuel consumption.

A very short report

 

Full tank 18L(Malaysia fuel, Ron 97 + green oil).

 

Bike setup:

Engine

Engine stock with Special blend oil + X-1R + CLS Bond treated (thanks for Ahpek)

NGK Iridium @ Ah boy

Finally drive setting:42 Rear, 15 Front.

 

Electrical

Grounding(i believe was the ONLY in SG:cheeky:, AhPek viewing before on my both bikes)

EPS EVO3000 x1

 

My riding style:

Hyper VTECS(Hyper VTEC Simulation,Special thanks for Ahpek)

ATS(Auto-Transmission Simulation)

SG's city road riding method (dont try this, 4th, 5th and 6th gear will get "rusty",thanks ahpek again )

 

Result:

361km turn to reserved, (but my fuel gauge already OUT METER,showing empty )

at the same time, i reset trip meter to 0km, still can running till 60km(bike not smooth currently,like no fuel soon.....)

 

Total:

361+60=420km

421KM/18L=23.3888km/L

 

Just for sharing,

Special Thanks to AhPek

[kenshi1777]

nice... what the average speed you riding?

[gearone]

Hi,i juz gt my SUPERb 4 Ver S few hours ago! Hope to learn more here!

Anywae,how to noe if nd to switch to reserve? N reserve can last roughly how long?

Thx...

 

congrats on your SUPERb 4 Ver S!!!!!

 

and welcome to the family!

 

i always blip the throttle to 2-3k before switching off the engine.

 

if you're on aftermarket end can with too rich(too much fuel) settings, it will cause a backfire once you start the engine the next time round.

 

hehe...my bike all stock...so even after blip the throttle when i start engine no backfire...

[kenshi1777]

Hi,i juz gt my SUPERb 4 Ver S few hours ago! Hope to learn more here!

Anywae,how to noe if nd to switch to reserve? N reserve can last roughly how long?

Thx...

 

 

bro, how much you bought your Ver s? coe is till when?

[fx110]

nice... what the average speed you riding?

 

i just watch the RPM.........

 

 

Hyper VTECS---7000-9000RPM

ATS----4000-5000RPM(frequently use)

SG's city road riding method----10000-12500RPM(frequently use)