[Group] Super Four Non-VTEC Family: PB1 VerR & VerS

[Ah Pek]

Got include mine right ahpek.. Will go down and change no later then 2nd november that week as i have something on at AMK that week...

 

Yes..but not so soon lah. The order need to be 'import' or so. Till it gets in my hand and ready, will post here. You guys can come here and change together.

[Ah Pek]

hey ah pek.. just wanna thank u for helping my fren with his EO and his tyres..

 

anyway, heard that u're trying a new product in place of x1r? how's it so far?

 

Very positive so far..but would like to trash the stuff more if its up to my X-1R expectation...LOL!

[Ah Pek]

thanks for the info ah pek!

 

Small matter..hope you can find the right tools though.

[driftbaker]

Very positive so far..but would like to trash the stuff more if its up to my X-1R expectation...LOL!

 

so means high chance u'll be replacing x1r with it? how much does it cost?

 

by the way, i see alot of bikes fitted with a canister thing that has the words "NOS" on it.. i asked around n was told it's to cool engines.. is it true? have u tried it before?

[Ah Pek]

so means high chance u'll be replacing x1r with it? how much does it cost?

 

by the way, i see alot of bikes fitted with a canister thing that has the words "NOS" on it.. i asked around n was told it's to cool engines.. is it true? have u tried it before?

 

Replacing X-1R?..likely so, yes. Only to those that have confidence in what I recommend and had used X-1R will know the difference and with this Nanl Rechnoloy lubricant thingy..there is a lot more to it..news only available when we meet up at Teck Ghee Square..heee..x3!

 

"a canister thing that has the words "NOS" on it.. i asked around n was told it's to cool engines.. "

I do not know who made the claim that is for "cooling" (NEVER HEARD OF IT) to that but "NOS" stands for "Nitrous Oxide Systems "..an Inc. company, the undistriputed leader in Nitro Oxide product for cars..etc.

 

How NOS works and for what -

 

Installing a Nitrous Oxide System (NoS) is one of most effective ways to generate additional power from an engine. Essentially, the system creates a higher air volume (increases oxygen when combustion need most) inside the engine, and, as a result, the car will burn more fuel, thereby producing more power. There are two ways to inject NoS into an engine: direct porting and applying what is referred to as a dry manifold approach. In the former case, NoS is delivered to manifold by use of a nozzle mounted in the throttle body or plate underneath the carburetor. In the case of a direct-port approach, the system employs a fogger oriented inside each engine intake. Can find the kits at Wing Yap AMK Industrial area.

 

Again as for cooiling..its BS to me unless I missed it. What you probably saw are some cheap thrill rider pasting a sticker on one of those canister that they used to trapped eo vapour grease from the gearbox thru a bleeder hose. You actually don't need that and defeat the purposes. On race track, sure crankcase bleeder trap canister is needed because you don't want excessive spilled eo vapour on a racing track..someone gonna buang if they run over it. In conclusion, whoever is selling that canister knows how to make their product looks good...ha....x3!

[Dimac]

so means high chance u'll be replacing x1r with it? how much does it cost?

 

by the way, i see alot of bikes fitted with a canister thing that has the words "NOS" on it.. i asked around n was told it's to cool engines.. is it true? have u tried it before?

 

i dont know how true it is. but i do understand what u meant. tell me how many bottles of canister u need to really2 cool down ur engine? 4 canister to 4 piston cylinder? its useless though.

 

as our engine are bigger. let the air environment cools it down. i think it takes max 3 hrs to cool down, and i mean cool down is that u can put ur fingers ath the block for a few minutes.

[driftbaker]

Replacing X-1R?..likely so, yes. Only to those that have confidence in what I recommend and had used X-1R will know the difference and with this Nanl Rechnoloy lubricant thingy..there is a lot more to it..news only available when we meet up at Teck Ghee Square..heee..x3!

 

"a canister thing that has the words "NOS" on it.. i asked around n was told it's to cool engines.. "

I do not know who made the claim that is for "cooling" (NEVER HEARD OF IT) to that but "NOS" stands for "Nitrous Oxide Systems "..an Inc. company, the undistriputed leader in Nitro Oxide product for cars..etc.

 

How NOS works and for what -

 

Installing a Nitrous Oxide System (NoS) is one of most effective ways to generate additional power from an engine. Essentially, the system creates a higher air volume (increases oxygen when combustion need most) inside the engine, and, as a result, the car will burn more fuel, thereby producing more power. There are two ways to inject NoS into an engine: direct porting and applying what is referred to as a dry manifold approach. In the former case, NoS is delivered to manifold by use of a nozzle mounted in the throttle body or plate underneath the carburetor. In the case of a direct-port approach, the system employs a fogger oriented inside each engine intake. Can find the kits at Wing Yap AMK Industrial area.

 

Again as for cooiling..its BS to me unless I missed it. What you probably saw are some cheap thrill rider pasting a sticker on one of those canister that they used to trapped eo vapour grease from the gearbox thru a bleeder hose. You actually don't need that and defeat the purposes. On race track, sure crankcase bleeder trap canister is needed because you don't want excessive spilled eo vapour on a racing track..someone gonna buang if they run over it. In conclusion, whoever is selling that canister knows how to make their product looks good...ha....x3!

 

i dont know how true it is. but i do understand what u meant. tell me how many bottles of canister u need to really2 cool down ur engine? 4 canister to 4 piston cylinder? its useless though.

 

as our engine are bigger. let the air environment cools it down. i think it takes max 3 hrs to cool down, and i mean cool down is that u can put ur fingers ath the block for a few minutes.

 

haha. thanks all for the info!! i saw a vid on youtube of this bike fitted with real n actual NOS. when activated, the whole bike practically flew in front... on 1 wheel! :cheeky:

[Dimac]

haha. thanks all for the info!! i saw a vid on youtube of this bike fitted with real n actual NOS. when activated, the whole bike practically flew in front... on 1 wheel! :cheeky:

 

for wat i know its for cooling purposes for bike ah.. in actual term for NOS has been stated by ahpek. so really, is there such things for bike, NOS? that must be cool. can become 2 fast 2 furious already.. haha!

[driftbaker]

for wat i know its for cooling purposes for bike ah.. in actual term for NOS has been stated by ahpek. so really, is there such things for bike, NOS? that must be cool. can become 2 fast 2 furious already.. haha!

 

but like wad u said, it's cooling capacity is very much limited given the size of the canister, to be used on our inline 4.. i always see it on single piston bikes like ta200 n cupkias.. but i just try my luck by asking to see if it will work on s4.. hehehe :cheeky:

[Ah Pek]

but like wad u said, it's cooling capacity is very much limited given the size of the canister, to be used on our inline 4.. i always see it on single piston bikes like ta200 n cupkias.. but i just try my luck by asking to see if it will work on s4.. hehehe :cheeky:

 

Alamak...what are you all talking about. Its just a bleeder tube from the hold that you top up your engine oil in the crank case. Just take away your crankcase lock cap or for non-vtech..cap with dip stick and replace it with a open nozzle cap available at LAB or his neighbourhood shop. Myself is using one. What I'm saying is that you do not need a canister at the end of the tube opening..want I can..but not needed. This is just to let better breathing (no oil pressure build up) in your crankcase and helps with better cooling of the gearbox. Not recommended for some Vtec series as you need the oil pressure to trigger the Vtec mode by oil pressure sensor.

 

Nothing to do with cooling engine..you want..modified and install a "Oil Intercooler".

Edited October 23, 2009 by Ah Pek

[kifakw]

Oil Intercooler (With Courtesy of CB400 Revo thread)

 

http://img8.rivercrane.jp/photo/article/91/1234946189491L.jpg

 

There's such a thing call "NOS cooling system"?

 

If there is, wouldn't you need to refill the nitrogen every few minutes once you use up the nitrogen?

 

I thot it'd be NOS boost whereby you burn the nitrogen for extra power boost at the same time cooling the engine since nitrogen is a cold element.

[driftbaker]

Alamak...what are you all talking about. Its just a bleeder tube from the hold that you top up your engine oil in the crank case. Just take away your crankcase lock cap or for non-vtech..cap with dip stick and replace it with a open nozzle cap available at LAB or his neighbourhood shop. Myself is using one. What I'm saying is that you do not need a canister at the end of the tube opening..want I can..but not needed. This is just to let better breathing (no oil pressure build up) in your crankcase and helps with better cooling of the gearbox. Not recommended for some Vtec series as you need the oil pressure to trigger the Vtec mode by oil pressure sensor.

 

Nothing to do with cooling engine..you want..modified and install a "Oil Intercooler".

 

in other words... it does nothing about cooling, it's just a EO bleeder?? haha. i get it now..

[Ah Pek]

in other words... it does nothing about cooling, it's just a EO bleeder?? haha. i get it now..

 

That's right and it does help cool off the hot oil pressure inside the crankcase..not engine directly.

[driftbaker]

Oil Intercooler (With Courtesy of CB400 Revo thread)

 

http://img8.rivercrane.jp/photo/article/91/1234946189491L.jpg

 

There's such a thing call "NOS cooling system"?

 

If there is, wouldn't you need to refill the nitrogen every few minutes once you use up the nitrogen?

 

I thot it'd be NOS boost whereby you burn the nitrogen for extra power boost at the same time cooling the engine since nitrogen is a cold element.

 

wow.. the oil cooler thing is really interesting. would it be beta to have a oil cooler or a bigger radiator for the present water cooling sys??

 

regarding the NOS, it all started when i saw alot of bikes fitted with this canister thing with the label "NOS", which apparently (i was told) is for cooling purposes. it turned out that it's just a bleeder, n the canister is used to hold the EO, nothing to do with cooling. NOS technology has nothing to do with the canister with "NOS" label, n certainly nothing to do with providing cooling effects... hehe.. paiseh for the misunderstanding... :cheeky:

[driftbaker]

That's right and it does help cool off the hot oil pressure inside the crankcase..not engine directly.

 

does it cool by bleeding off the hot EO? it seems tat whatever i am learning in class about thermodynamics and heat transfer can put applied here... LOL. finally something i learnt in class is useful.. hehe :cheeky:

[Ah Pek]

does it cool by bleeding off the hot EO? it seems tat whatever i am learning in class about thermodynamics and heat transfer can put applied here... LOL. finally something i learnt in class is useful.. hehe :cheeky:

 

Just simply thing of it as boiling water in a kettle without the cover. The cooler eo gives the cyclinder block better benefits as that the eo does not breaks down in viscoity that easily thus end result, better change intervals.

[driftbaker]

Just simply thing of it as boiling water in a kettle without the cover. The cooler eo gives the cyclinder block better benefits as that the eo does not breaks down in viscoity that easily thus end result, better change intervals.

 

got it.. doubts cleared! haha.. thanks!

 

anyway, the other time u told me abt fixing a bigger radiator, compared to adding the oil cooler, which one, in ur opinion, is more efficient?

[smoothie]

does anyone know where i can make a pair of pillion grip bars for my ver s? there's screws below the pillion seat which are used to mount a box rack. i checked with chiong aik and was informed that there's no oem parts for those, and neither does ah boy carry them.

 

i suppose i can check w seng kwang to custom-make a pair for me but i just wanted to check ard if anyone has done smth similar. btw i intend to use the pillion grip bars as anchor points for cargo net & bungee cord.

 

any advice for me?

[Ah Pek]

got it.. doubts cleared! haha.. thanks!

 

anyway, the other time u told me abt fixing a bigger radiator, compared to adding the oil cooler, which one, in ur opinion, is more efficient?

 

Adding additional is of course way off better

[Ah Pek]

does anyone know where i can make a pair of pillion grip bars for my ver s? there's screws below the pillion seat which are used to mount a box rack. i checked with chiong aik and was informed that there's no oem parts for those, and neither does ah boy carry them.

 

i suppose i can check w seng kwang to custom-make a pair for me but i just wanted to check ard if anyone has done smth similar. btw i intend to use the pillion grip bars as anchor points for cargo net & bungee cord.

 

any advice for me?

 

Its gonna be costly at Seng Kwang likely. May be you should think of a way to improvise by going to any iron or aluminium workshop to make a "C" shape grab bar and have it weld and painted onto your carrier rack or something. Just a thought.

[drynarko]

I went to see Ah Pek this morning and become another satisfied customer

of Ah Pek and his blended EO + X1R.

 

Really wonder how a change EO can really makes a big difference.

Very fast acceleration, my SPEC2 becomes very eager to climb High RPM,

no more sluggish pick up.

 

Done flushing coolant also. Ah Pek really do a good and thorough jobs and

patiently explaining everything i need to know about the bike.

Two thumbs up for Ah Pek.

[aaa3237]

I doubt the necessity of adding a crankcase breather, the picture below copied from honda service manual, the hose number 8 is crankcase ventilation(breather) hose, you don't need extra crankcase breathing.

 

http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Olepotato/Ventilation.jpg

 

IMO, adding one more crankcase ventilation hose is a total waste of money.

[Ianie]

ups for our dear ah pek

[Ah Pek]

I doubt the necessity of adding a crankcase breather, the picture below copied from honda service manual, the hose number 8 is crankcase ventilation(breather) hose, you don't need extra crankcase breathing.

 

http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Olepotato/Ventilation.jpg

 

IMO, adding one more crankcase ventilation hose is a total waste of money.

 

Understand and you have ur point. But its not about "necessity or cost taht anyone here is making the statement. There are reasons why these "breather caps" are made for sales.

 

It is fine if your eo level is filled as instructed but if its too much, it will affect your hi rev end top performance. Excessive eo will be bleeding out thru your airbox waste out snout (left hand side where a short transparent tube is attached to your exterior airbox lower chassis). This is clear sign of refilling too much eo and can be damaging as with having blown gasket etc.

 

Eo over filling is not uncommon. Most mototiam when draining used eo never quite borther to tilt over the bike and back again to get rid of left over eo from the first positon (side stand side) after it stop dripping..you be surprise how much there is still. Assuming he has tto change oil filter and added 3.2 litre eo, that unremoved left over can add up a lot more. With the 'extra' breather, oil pressure due to hi-rev and excessive oil can be relief from it more easily and would not affect performance at open throttle top end. You can even use slightly more than recommended eo without worries.

 

Look at it not as a "necessity" but an added avtanage. Simply..a kettle with two "blow holes" relief steam pressure better than one..thus also temperature rated cooler to one that has one..size of holes counts too.

 

It doesn't cost much to have a tube (1 meter $1.20) and a breather crankcase cap ($8-$10).

 

However for some Vtech S4 models that depend on the eo pressure build up to triggered "ON" the Vtech mode at after 6.5k rpm or 7K rmp..this may not be that useful.

[Ah Pek]

I went to see Ah Pek this morning and become another satisfied customer

of Ah Pek and his blended EO + X1R.

 

Really wonder how a change EO can really makes a big difference.

Very fast acceleration, my SPEC2 becomes very eager to climb High RPM,

no more sluggish pick up.

 

Done flushing coolant also. Ah Pek really do a good and thorough jobs and

patiently explaining everything i need to know about the bike.

Two thumbs up for Ah Pek.

 

Thanks for the kind words Danny..enjoy your ride for a loooong time to come with performance and protection.