being charge for evading ERP

[cruisecontrol]

A) heading into CBD..but NO..nt the road where there is ERP gantry (besides sim lim tower)..i overshort torwards bukit timah rd i stop at little india mrt stn. as i noe my office is soutwest direction. i ride up the pavement, onto rex theatre and onto Niven road. but tat road got no ERP gantry. was being caught there coz was riding into CBD aready already.

 

 

the area ur going into is a CBD area, inside the boundaries of all the ERP gantries. So even by gng into the area further up the road , you are still trying to enter into a CBD area without paying/going under the ERP gantry. So the offence of evading ERP payment will stand.

 

lucky for you, the LTA officer did not issue a summon to you for riding on a pavement. so he had already lessen the charge for you. You may appeal but i strongly believe that it is a waste of time and they might refer a summons to TP to summon you for riding on pavement.

 

what you can do, go to LTA office at Sin Ming, see the officer there , apologise for your mistake and said that you will not repeat it and plead for leniency by asking for a reduced payment. It works much better that way ......

 

 

hope that helps ~

[ohayo]

TS - as far as i read and analyze. If i am the IO, i doubt i will give chance. Your chance of appealing successfully drops drastically when you stop by little india mrt station, rode on the pavement thru rex theatre and onto Niven road. Thats really some distance you rode.

 

Is it like that? if so, bite the bullet and paid the fine. Just keep your spending low for the next month

[bernardk]

If you appeal, LTA may charge you for riding on the pavement which is a far more serious offence than evading ERP. The officer is being good by just catching you for evading ERP. Just face the music.

 

Hmmm on thing for sure is you will DEFINATELY get 2 charges. One is traveling other than on road. 2nd is evading ERP.

 

One advice to TS is no need to appeal. i tried before and no use. caught red handed just pay up suffer the 12 month of demerit points.

 

I hope this is considered constructive.

 

Oh and if its wat Ohayo describe then he caught you at Rex so lucky he didnt get you when riding against traffic flow. Anyway wats the charges? If its just monetary then just pay and forget it. Its an offense and you got no chance of appealing frankly.

Edited January 5, 2011 by bernardk

[crankcase]

Stopping by the road shoulder to insert cashcard is OK. Stopping to WAIT for the ERP to end is an offence.

 

Don't be so sure. I got my first and only points because I stopped on the AYE shoulder to put in my cashcard - back in 2003. They captured on camera, sent me a notice. I appealed with this explanation, it was turned down. Spoke to the IO on the phone, who verbally agreed that I wasn't at fault. Appealed again, still turned down ("it is dangerous to stop on the expressway under any circumstances"). After that, I figured it was better to stop wasting time & energy, swallowed the bitter pill and paid up

[arthur_chan]

Don't be so sure. I got my first and only points because I stopped on the AYE shoulder to put in my cashcard - back in 2003. They captured on camera, sent me a notice. I appealed with this explanation, it was turned down. Spoke to the IO on the phone, who verbally agreed that I wasn't at fault. Appealed again, still turned down ("it is dangerous to stop on the expressway under any circumstances"). After that, I figured it was better to stop wasting time & energy, swallowed the bitter pill and paid up

 

yea sometimes it's better to accept the facts. i was once summoned for parking on pavement, but i had put coupon and cos there's no space there, it was raining n went to toilet to dry myself, 10min ltr got ticket. sometimes u're just at the wrong place and wrong time.

[kmax]

Don't be so sure. I got my first and only points because I stopped on the AYE shoulder to put in my cashcard - back in 2003. They captured on camera, sent me a notice. I appealed with this explanation, it was turned down. Spoke to the IO on the phone, who verbally agreed that I wasn't at fault. Appealed again, still turned down ("it is dangerous to stop on the expressway under any circumstances"). After that, I figured it was better to stop wasting time & energy, swallowed the bitter pill and paid up

 

but he can stop in expressway lane 1.. how ?

 

http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20101203-250692.html

[ohayo]

 

Oh and if its wat Ohayo describe then he caught you at Rex so lucky he didnt get you when riding against traffic flow. Anyway wats the charges? If its just monetary then just pay and forget it. Its an offense and you got no chance of appealing frankly.

 

Riding against the flow of traffic equals to 6 points demerits. But if its done for some distance with evidence, they can kill you by charging you reckless driving/riding. 24 demerits plus jail time. License good as gone.

[crankcase]

but he can stop in expressway lane 1.. how ?

 

http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20101203-250692.html

 

He Mediacorp celebrity mah... even though there's photo evidence that he's stopped in Lane 1, will the TP or LTA go after him and make an example that nobody is above the law? Yeah right... like hell they will.

[three]

Don't be so sure. I got my first and only points because I stopped on the AYE shoulder to put in my cashcard - back in 2003. They captured on camera, sent me a notice. I appealed with this explanation, it was turned down. Spoke to the IO on the phone, who verbally agreed that I wasn't at fault. Appealed again, still turned down ("it is dangerous to stop on the expressway under any circumstances"). After that, I figured it was better to stop wasting time & energy, swallowed the bitter pill and paid up

 

Well, I am sure that was what the LTA guy inform the whole class When i took PZ license during theory class a few weeks back. You were caught in 2003, maybe they changed the rule?

[arthur_chan]

Well, I am sure that was what the LTA guy inform the whole class When i took PZ license during theory class a few weeks back. You were caught in 2003, maybe they changed the rule?

 

PZ license? anyway dont believe everything u were told during ur lesson. i had a friend who asked a trainer a qn, he gave an answer, asked another, gave another answer. so who is correct? sometimes u might be forced by circumstance to commit an offence, however it's up to them if they want to accept ur reason even if it's true.

[0401897D]

TS - as far as i read and analyze. If i am the IO, i doubt i will give chance. Your chance of appealing successfully drops drastically when you stop by little india mrt station, rode on the pavement thru rex theatre and onto Niven road. Thats really some distance you rode.

 

Is it like that? if so, bite the bullet and paid the fine. Just keep your spending low for the next month

 

wat is said is partly correct.

 

except, on the map, i stop at Exit A, there's a taxi stand there...so i cut diagonally down thru the carpark, to mackenzie road and then, yes i rode against the traffic for a few mtres till the rex den turn right at niven road.

 

already send appeal...even if didnt get, at least i try

 

just waiting for results

[bernardk]

already send appeal...even if didnt get, at least i try

 

just waiting for results

 

oh.... 1 x appeal quota used..... meaning 1 x quota for appeal lost/wasted. anyway since sent then wait lor. I believe it will be like wat most of us already said. Standard reply.

[arthur_chan]

i dont think it's advisable to point how how n where u evaded erp. it's like teaching forumers how to do it. that's my 2c of view.

[ohayo]

i dont think it's advisable to point how how n where u evaded erp. it's like teaching forumers how to do it. that's my 2c of view.

 

Decision making and bearing of consequences.

 

Evading and going against traffic takes lots of guts and out of the box thinking.

 

But we shouldnt be concerned with that issue. I am pretty sure those seasoned riders will not do it. The new rider (if they wanna to try) has to learn thru the hard way eventually.

[ohayo]

i dont think it's advisable to point how how n where u evaded erp. it's like teaching forumers how to do it. that's my 2c of view.

 

Decision making and bearing of consequences.

 

Evading and going against traffic takes lots of guts and out of the box thinking.

 

But we shouldnt be concerned with that issue. I am pretty sure those seasoned riders will not do it. The new rider (if they wanna to try) has to learn thru the hard way eventually.

[cruisecontrol]

wat is said is partly correct.

 

except, on the map, i stop at Exit A, there's a taxi stand there...so i cut diagonally down thru the carpark, to mackenzie road and then, yes i rode against the traffic for a few mtres till the rex den turn right at niven road.

 

already send appeal...even if didnt get, at least i try

 

just waiting for results

 

don't tell me u wrote that in your appeal ? :giddy:

[arthur_chan]

Decision making and bearing of consequences.

 

Evading and going against traffic takes lots of guts and out of the box thinking.

 

But we shouldnt be concerned with that issue. I am pretty sure those seasoned riders will not do it. The new rider (if they wanna to try) has to learn thru the hard way eventually.

 

imo it's those who r season who would try these kind of things, newbies would usually scared of things.

 

it's like opening a thread "how to steal ur bike", although evading erp doesn't concer us, it's still not right to "teach" ppl how to do illegal stuff.

[swoosh]

No point trying to narrow down who usually do this kind of thing. To me you live by the sword die by the sword. Anyway, if there is a lesson to learn from this, it is the ard area Mackenzie rd should be under constant surveilance. So to all bikers think twice before you pull this kind of stunt.

[arthur_chan]

there are other places where u can do this, n even legally by-pass erp, but i'm not gona tell or teach u where.

 

bikes r versatile, it's impossible to seal up all these areas, just like erp carpark, loopholes everywhere.

[ohayo]

imo it's those who r season who would try these kind of things, newbies would usually scared of things.

 

it's like opening a thread "how to steal ur bike", although evading erp doesn't concer us, it's still not right to "teach" ppl how to do illegal stuff.

 

errrr...you are thinking too much....like what swoosh said. There isnt a necessity to go into that micro details. What can be taught, will be taught. What cannot be taught, one eventually will be taught either by own enlightenment or predicament. If one wants to do it, there are many ways to learn. If i want to kill someone, i dont need to go prison and interview the murder, isn it? The moment we are entrust with a motorbike, we are already a responsible adult. Its all up to an individual. Why worry for them?

[bernardk]

If i want to kill someone, i dont need to go prison and interview the murder, isn it?

 

Hahahahaha

[swoosh]

there are other places where u can do this, n even legally by-pass erp, but i'm not gona tell or teach u where.

 

bikes r versatile, it's impossible to seal up all these areas, just like erp carpark, loopholes everywhere.

 

sure! i understand what u mean... ie why publish the loopholes in public which will only benefit govt agencies which will lead to tighter measures.

 

Erp car park is a good example! My carpark is run by EPS. As a season ticket holder, I faithfully pay my season parking every month although outsider 'enjoys' free parking by just slipping in btwn gaps or riding over the pavement. It does not bother me, live and let live...

[Lexanez]

Hmm, why blow things up? I believed that you know what you are doing when you traveled against road direction and on the pavement. Nobody blame you for that because taking that liability is of your personal concern.

 

Though the main concern here is about evading ERP, there are underlying facts which are much more serious than that. Apparently, paying a fine is a blessing in disguise as compared to suffering demerit points and even the loss of licence.

 

Look at the bigger picture, you might see that the officer who caught you is really a nice guy or perhaps he understand the limitations of the motorcycle. Besides, he need to do his job.

 

Anyway, I once stopped on the road shoulder before the ERP last year to put in my cash card but didn't know that a TP officer was just behind me. I fumbled among my belongings to find the cash card when TP officer stopped beside me and tapped my shoulder. Hell, I jumped when I noted that it was a TP officer, thought that I would get into deep trouble.

 

What he did, surprised me. He pointed to the Gantry, indicating it had just switched off and told me to move on after inserting in my cash card. He told me that it is alright to stop for awhile to insert the cash card as most officers would understand but warned me that there are some who would't give chance.

[deadstrength]

just bite the bullet as most of the forumers here are trying to advise you to do.

[swiftee]

aiyo y did u do that.

even if u just pass through gantry w/o card la total like around $10+ can pay though axs

save u all tt trouble

 

now u ride against traffic, ride on pavement, etc

i dunno how to save u. i think riding against traffic carries demerit points as well.

 

on a related note, someone told me this b4:

once his fren's father was driving along the expressway. there was a lady rider on the lane beside them. traffic was busy.

they were approaching the erp, suddenly the lady rider saw the erp and tried to cut across 3 lanes to the road shoulder. the father jammed brake and avoided hitting her.

she made it onto the next lane, where she was hit by a car and fell.

 

so much trouble just because of $10+... sighhhh

Edited January 11, 2011 by swiftee