2 strokes faster than 4 strokes? SP vs. R15

[jbern]

Before we start let's just ignore the fact that the road is never to safe and it not only lies in your hands but the other motorists as well. I do understand that but I'm just wondering.

 

I heard this from a friend. Is it true that bikes with higher torque/pick up would be safer on the road? For example if you need to swerve to dodge a lulu car changing lane abruptly would the extra torue be of help?

 

I'm considering a second hand R15 but a bit tight on my budget so my friend recommended me SP. But SP maintenance (2T oil) and general parts maintenance is pretty high compared to R15.

 

So SP more power but more maintenance. R15 less power but less maintenance as well. Help me out by giving me some feedbacks an advice!

 

Thanks in advance! (:

[ulysses_sc]

I do not agree. More torque/power can also result in easier loss of control during panic situations. Ever try a panic evasive action on a Hayabusa in low gear?

 

Besides, 2 strokes have less torque at the low RPM range, where most riding is done.

 

Again, if you are aware of your surroundings, you would have seen/anticipated that idiot car coming your way. Practicing safe riding habits and situation awareness is far more useful than relying on a bike's capabilities to get you out of a tricky situation on the roads.

[crazydj]

Your friend don't like you is it? You no money should get an R15, not an SP.

[E GREAT1]

I wonder if ur fren really think for u.. SP is a very old bike.. now u get also dunno how many hand liao.. Better nt.. As for R15 its bad point is no power.. ppl will laugh Kup Kia in sports bike fairing.. N R15 is nt even in e Yamaha league.. I mean if u ever visit their Web sites u wont find R15 there.. cos its a made in india bike... But no doubt its lik any kup kia.. low maintenance.. Since u mention R15 so i assume u lik sports bike.. But 2B sports bike very limited.. unless u gt more ''gold'' if nt R15 is e choice.. another down part is its banana seat.. n rear its too ugly.. Unless its been mod lik the new R15 ver 2.0 if nt it really spoilt e sporty look.. But its ur choice:) Gd luck hunting:)

[jbern]

Hahah thanks for all the prompt replies!

 

Actually many people recommend me not to get SP includin the one that told me to get it for the power.

 

Anyway. What other 2B sports or street bike to recommend? Or any other bikes like fz or cruisers like phantom etc.. Cos I haven't really decided yet. Just doing my research now so I can get bike as soon as I pass. Anything except for kup kias lol.

 

And if I really do get the R15 I'll hunt for the version 2 one. I assume the banana seat I talking about is the combined pilon seat with the rider seat?

[papabread79]

Bike power but u not power then how?

[haoKR]

y buy sp ? so many prob. old bike

get r15 beta.

save more money 1st dan

[crazydj]

Haha, your friends don't like you liao...

[Fried Rice]

Before we start let's just ignore the fact that the road is never to safe and it not only lies in your hands but the other motorists as well. I do understand that but I'm just wondering.

 

I heard this from a friend. Is it true that bikes with higher torque/pick up would be safer on the road? For example if you need to swerve to dodge a lulu car changing lane abruptly would the extra torue be of help?

 

I'm considering a second hand R15 but a bit tight on my budget so my friend recommended me SP. But SP maintenance (2T oil) and general parts maintenance is pretty high compared to R15.

 

So SP more power but more maintenance. R15 less power but less maintenance as well. Help me out by giving me some feedbacks an advice!

 

Thanks in advance! (:

 

of course sp has more power as it is a 2 stroke bike. but the difference in power is not that much of a difference since sp is still a 2b bike after all.

 

as for maintenance, it is almost the same for all 2b bikes, except for 2 strokes, their maintenance is just a bit higher. if your 2b bike is fully paid, your maintenance should not be much every month.

 

having said that, i think you should focus on the insurance and the condition of the bike you are getting. the insurance can easily cost a few thousands, and if you get a problematic bike, you will need to spend a lot of $$ to repair it

[duo]

If your so called friend is a true friend he will tell you to get neither and instead advised you to get a kup. Unless your whole objective of owning a bike is not for transport purposes.

[sheep]

Get a newer bike, less headache and heartache for you.

For road conditions, just make sure you ride with your eyes wide open

[velocity325]

just go for a japan rxz..higher torque than the thai one, if you know what i'm talking about..naked bike, no need scared fairings crack or what..only scared idiots go adjust idle screw for you, help you do carb settings, plugging out your fuel line..but than, an alarm solves it..one new 3bs pipe[w/o silencer] only less than 150..2t around 800ml..

[dcbomb88]

if choose between the 2 i will get R15 cuz SP is damn old bike, imagine it breaking down every 1-2 months or u will be having trouble trying to start the bike, it will be damn frustrating. But IMO dont get a 2B sport bike unless u are getting rs125, the rest of the sport bike either too old or no power, might as well get a good street bike like FZ150i, CBR 150 R or CBF150

[refused]

what a thread.

[crazydj]

Haha. Your friends dont like you liao...

 

In SBF, we will tell you the truth to save you the trouble...

[f-50evolution]

u might be spending 2-3k for a SP, once it gives you problems you have no choice but to fix and you might have spend almost 4-5k ald. tat price you can ald get r15.

well after all, 2B bike all no power, its for you to get used to riding, unless u wan a fast bike to die faster though

[kifakw]

your friend is a lacer.

 

safety or not, its all in you. doesn't matter what bike you ride at all.

[Constructicon]

I am not sure about the 'it's all about you, not the bike' theory , but more accessible power certainly better than no power. Coming from someone who had the luck to witness it firsthand.

 

As a ex-owner of a really crap NSR SP, let me relate this incident I had many years ago.

 

I was riding along when I came to pass this lorry/ trailer on this 2 lane road; I was on the left lane.

Then the trailer decides to shift into my lane w/o indication. At that instance, the only option is to speed up and try to clear it.

I was near the mid length of that trailer and I remembered whacking the sh*t out of my crap bike, only manged to clear the trailer by a few centimeters.

I am not sure whether if I am riding Phantom, CBR150...etc or any 2B bike might make the situation easier, but that's about it for 2B bikes for me.

 

In situations like this, more power is better than none. Esp on a crap SP like mine.

 

Cheers.

[Option]

Have to agree with Construction's reply. More power than less, but then again its how you control your bike and etc. 2b bike, how fast you wanna go? There's always that limit.

[Jehuty]

Before we start let's just ignore the fact that the road is never to safe and it not only lies in your hands but the other motorists as well. I do understand that but I'm just wondering.

 

I heard this from a friend. Is it true that bikes with higher torque/pick up would be safer on the road? For example if you need to swerve to dodge a lulu car changing lane abruptly would the extra torue be of help?

 

I'm considering a second hand R15 but a bit tight on my budget so my friend recommended me SP. But SP maintenance (2T oil) and general parts maintenance is pretty high compared to R15.

 

So SP more power but more maintenance. R15 less power but less maintenance as well. Help me out by giving me some feedbacks an advice!

 

Thanks in advance! (:

 

4 strokes have a broader power band, 2 strokes are more abrupt, its all about you. 2 strokes have more torque. Just down gear and get into the powerband or ride in the powerband all the time huhuhu

 

Honestly la, these little 150 ccs have more power than their 4 stroke equivalent but its not that powerful. A handful of throttle on these bikes won't spit you into the road. Even a handful of throttle on 400ccs won't spit you.

[Jehuty]

Before we start let's just ignore the fact that the road is never to safe and it not only lies in your hands but the other motorists as well. I do understand that but I'm just wondering.

 

I heard this from a friend. Is it true that bikes with higher torque/pick up would be safer on the road? For example if you need to swerve to dodge a lulu car changing lane abruptly would the extra torue be of help?

 

I'm considering a second hand R15 but a bit tight on my budget so my friend recommended me SP. But SP maintenance (2T oil) and general parts maintenance is pretty high compared to R15.

 

So SP more power but more maintenance. R15 less power but less maintenance as well. Help me out by giving me some feedbacks an advice!

 

Thanks in advance! (:

 

4 strokes have a broader power band, 2 strokes are more abrupt, its all about you. 2 strokes have more torque. Just down gear and get into the powerband or ride in the powerband all the time huhuhu

 

Honestly la, these little 150 ccs have more power than their 4 stroke equivalent but its not that powerful. A handful of throttle on these bikes won't spit you into the road. Even a handful of throttle on 400ccs won't spit you.

[gutripper]

Get a R15. Can also look up CBR150 and FZ150. How nice or sporty is how well u do it up. I am sure they got enough power, light and nimble enough to take evasive actions safely and accelerate to safety. Make sure yours tires are good, brakes are good and your skills are good. It is enough. Stopping power is very important also.

[camark81]

I am riding SP for coming two year already, and my SP is a 12 years old bike. bought at $2.3K, spend $500 to done the first full servicing and change some accessories.

So for I have no problem with it, only initial need to spend a bit more to change those consumable items (like break pad, oil, full servicing) to make sure it is good condition.

after that never give me problem at all. in fact I'm still riding it now.

 

The maintenance is not that high, only the 2T and the fuel consumption is higher, but It do give more power compare to 4 stroke especially in the highway when u raiding in high RPM (above 9K) it is scary fast.

[Royeight]

TS: If you really want feel power go get at least a 2A bike and above. Don't expect much from a 2B bike....Dont waste your money and effort trying to mod here and there to gain "power". end of the day, 2B will always be a 2B...No hard feelings, just my opinion....

[wait4me]

to some sp is a old crappy , expensive bike

to some sp is a good can tour long distance bike

jus like

to some buying a kup kia to so call save , but mod here mod there..

to some buying an expensive pipe is more power

so TS, which category do you belong??

 

wan nice , wan power, wan cheap ?? cannot be wan ..

so go for R125 , more satki