Group Ridding illegal?

[TeRrYBEaR]

i been thinking of this question for a long time. hope someone here will delight me with an ans.

 

isit illegal to go ridding in group. i mean just normally ridding never race never speed never do anything silly. just a big group of friends who ride and travel togther and rounding around singapore. big group as in around 7 to 10 bikes.

 

i had heard that ppl say as long as there is more dan a num of bike togther ridding dan tp will caught? but what if a group of car go out in group?

 

i dont think its fair for that if group ridding is illegal if u never break e rule and they just caught u because u ride in group.

[sheep]

I don't think they will bother if u r riding properly and not being a nusiance to the other road users..

[TeRrYBEaR]

Originally posted by BaaBaa Black Sheep@February 27, 2007 03:43 pm

I don't think they will bother if u r riding properly and not being a nusiance to the other road users..

are u sure? so lets say what if a group of 30 bikes go out together and ride safe and not being silly, when tp see also don care?

 

i got friends kanna warning before only 6 to 8 bikes. even there are ridding safe.

 

tp say they will get u back and supect u on illegal racing. and check on your bike for illegal mob. and what if we all got stock bike never mob and never race can we sue them back?

[madman]

You wanna sue wat? They are not in any wrong to do that in the 1st place to check on you guys.

 

They are just doing their duties, so chill out.

 

You can be riding safe (or maybe that's what you tink you are doing), and have a stock bike, and TP can check out as and when he wishes. There are many people out there riding/drivng without proper license, or perhaps one of it is a stolen bike. Nothing wrong for him to check on you guys, especially so if you are youngsters.

 

He can check if all of you have proper insurance, road tax is paid etc as well. But if you did nothing wrong, the most is waste some time. And since we all are small frys, you don't lose a million dollar deal becos he stopped you, and so there's nothing you can do, not to mention sue! Your lawyer will probably laugh at you.

[bluelabel]

by right u can only ride up to a certain no. of bikes .... but they dont really enforce it ......

[compfused]

Originally posted by madman@February 27, 2007 06:53 pm

especially so if you are youngsters.

Isn't that stereotypin?

[vincekam]

Originally posted by TeRrYBEaR@February 27, 2007 03:31 pm

i been thinking of this question for a long time. hope someone here will delight me with an ans.

 

isit illegal to go ridding in group. i mean just normally ridding never race never speed never do anything silly. just a big group of friends who ride and travel togther and rounding around singapore. big group as in around 7 to 10 bikes.

 

i had heard that ppl say as long as there is more dan a num of bike togther ridding dan tp will caught? but what if a group of car go out in group?

 

i dont think its fair for that if group ridding is illegal if u never break e rule and they just caught u because u ride in group.

Hi,

 

That's an interesting grey area question.

 

The following rule "Under the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) (Assemblies and Procession) Rules 1989, a permit is required for any assembly or procession of 5 or more persons in any public road, public place or place of public resort .

 

Cheers!

[contrarian]

Originally posted by vincekam@February 27, 2007 08:52 pm

Hi,

 

That's an interesting grey area question.

 

The following rule "Under the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) (Assemblies and Procession) Rules 1989, a permit is required for any assembly or procession of 5 or more persons in any public road, public place or place of public resort .

 

Cheers!

That supposes that an order has been made that requires a permit for assemblies or processions on that road.

 

On the other hand, to be charged with unlawful assembly, the persons must have a common unlawful object (intent).

[smokin]

it is usually discouraged but it is not against the law to ride in a group. group riding is associated with illegal races, dangerous riding, even gangs and all sorts..... when there are too many bikes together, there bound to be nuisance hence law enforcers check you and discouraged

 

and terrybear, how did the officer warn you or your friends in a group? what warning did he gives?

[madman]

Originally posted by compfused@February 27, 2007 07:45 pm

Isn't that stereotypin?

yes it is, as you should know, younger riders will have more tendency to do rash and silly things or to speed.

 

someone who has kids and much older, tends not to do silly things more.

 

imagine, late at night, a group of youngsters smoking in the void deck, compare to a group of ah peks smoking there, who do you think is the group who is more likely to do perform funny stunts?

[Kutrax]

depends also.. seen ah peks fighting under the void deck late at nite.

with all the cursing n swearing i tot yougsters fighting.

[hit.man]

Originally posted by madman@February 27, 2007 09:58 pm

imagine, late at night, a group of youngsters smoking in the void deck, compare to a group of ah peks smoking there, who do you think is the group who is more likely to do perform funny stunts?

I think both groups are likely to perform funny stunts....

The youngsters could be waiting for opportunity to steal/rob/fight. The Ah Peks could be waiting to pick up illegal prostitutes or gambling illegally. The youngsters have no money so they wanna steal/rob etc. The Ah Peks have money (maybe from their CPF), so they indulge in other form of vice.

 

So it doesn't mean young ppl means more trouble and old ppl means they are peace-loving.

[madman]

sorry, but based on my experience, the younger ones are the ones more likely to do something illegal or rash.

 

regarding ah peks gambling etc, it is true also, but i doubt you'll see this other than in old estates such as bukit merah or chinatown etc.

 

back to my estates, i do not see any ah peks gambling etc, but it is all youngsters.

perhaps, it is also becos the younger ones lack the experience to do the illegal stuffs in a safer venue? hmm...

[Tourer]

I remember someone once sent an enquiry to TP or LTA and asked before. I don't think it's an offence...

[aH_Joe]

4 or less bikes- is ok.

 

5or more bikes- u will need to apply permit from TP.

Even if ya escorting wedding procession etc.

 

Then again, If ya just riding safely and not creating any 'nuisance'. TP will not stop u wan la. And remember that its NOT that Police is not enforcing the rules, they are just giving u the benefits of the doubts.

 

By the way, what u wan sue the TP for? Any police officers can stop u on the road, let alone a TP who is specialise on road offences. I guess that he must have seen something is wrong, thats why he stopped ya friends. He can even escort ya friends to LTA on the spot for a vehicle inspection.

 

Anyway , ride safely.. cheers

[aH_Joe]

Originally posted by contrarian@February 27, 2007 09:23 pm

That supposes that an order has been made that requires a permit for assemblies or processions on that road.

 

On the other hand, to be charged with unlawful assembly, the persons must have a common unlawful object (intent).

In this case, i guess the TP suspect the group have the intention to race illegally ?

 

Just my 2cents, correct me if i'm wrong..

[TeRrYBEaR]

ok guys its seem that its a bit sorry to mention sueing them back. i am just quoteing an E.g. my main point is that isit illegal to ride in group.

 

e.g num 1. if your whole family is ridding and all go out ride at e same time does

this count illegal? ( this maybe stupit but who know there

maybe family in sg who all ride)

 

e.g num 2. what if one day you ride along e expressway and at the same time same places there is lots of biker ride at e same times and happen that all of them dont know each other. and suay suay tp spot check ahead and he say we ride in group which is not cos all dont know each other and tp dont belive and wanna bring us back and supect illegal racing. and at that point of time you are rushing for an importance meeting which cost you a bomb of money. (i know you guys will say if you are that rich why ride but whos know there lots of funny ppl ard). what sould you do? and because of that you lost e contract of e meeting. how? this is what i mean sue them. no hard feeling i am just listing an e.g and that why e 2nd point bellow is importance

 

2nd point. is there really a law in e book that say ridding in group is illegal? if its is dan how many bike dan its legal?

[ashzibit_69]

Originally posted by TeRrYBEaR@February 28, 2007 09:50 am

e.g num 2. what if one day you ride along e expressway and at the same time same places there is lots of biker ride at e same times and happen that all of them dont know each other. and suay suay tp spot check ahead and he say we ride in group which is not cos all dont know each other and tp dont belive and wanna bring us back and supect illegal racing. and at that point of time you are rushing for an importance meeting which cost you a bomb of money. (i know you guys will say if you are that rich why ride but whos know there lots of funny ppl ard). what sould you do? and because of that you lost e contract of e meeting. how? this is what i mean sue them. no hard feeling i am just listing an e.g and that why e 2nd point bellow is importance

 

2nd point. is there really a law in e book that say ridding in group is illegal? if its is dan how many bike dan its legal?

If you are already late for an important meeting why bother "joining up " with the group? There are at least 3 lanes on the expressway and its impossible for the group to use all 3 rite? Take the other lanes lah.

[DM]

LOL exactly.

 

i've went out on quite a few sbf outings in the past. the cops will only stop us randomly to check our licenses and bikes for illegal mods. we would usually ride in the staggered formation and keep to the legal speed limit because rookie riders join us from time to time and it wouldn't be fair to them if we were to ride within our comfortable zone.

 

personally, i don't see any need to stop us but hey, when you have so-called groups of "mat rempit" in singapore screwing around with their heavily modded mopeds (illegal exhaust systems + bicycle wheels), it wouldn't hurt to stop any bunch of riders just to make sure that they're not.

[TeRrYBEaR]

Originally posted by DeathInc2004@February 28, 2007 10:17 am

If you are already late for an important meeting why bother "joining up " with the group? There are at least 3 lanes on the expressway and its impossible for the group to use all 3 rite? Take the other lanes lah.

e.g as i list its a road bolck so all lane will be block into one

[compfused]

Originally posted by madman@February 27, 2007 10:42 pm

sorry, but based on my experience, the younger ones are the ones more likely to do something illegal or rash.

 

regarding ah peks gambling etc, it is true also, but i doubt you'll see this other than in old estates such as bukit merah or chinatown etc.

 

back to my estates, i do not see any ah peks gambling etc, but it is all youngsters.

perhaps, it is also becos the younger ones lack the experience to do the illegal stuffs in a safer venue? hmm...

Ok..Thats prolly because the ah peks have been caught doin so..And thus found a different place..As for the youngsters they are prolly too lazy to look for some other place..And thus just keep goin to the same location..

[maestro_delphine]

More bikes more people to check. Higher chance of finding someone inside without license or riding under disqualification.

 

The police are just doing their jobs.

[contrarian]

Originally posted by TeRrYBEaR@February 28, 2007 09:50 am

e.g num 2. what if one day you ride along e expressway and at the same time same places there is lots of biker ride at e same times and happen that all of them dont know each other. and suay suay tp spot check ahead and he say we ride in group which is not cos all dont know each other and tp dont belive and wanna bring us back and supect illegal racing. and at that point of time you are rushing for an importance meeting which cost you a bomb of money. (i know you guys will say if you are that rich why ride but whos know there lots of funny ppl ard). what sould you do? and because of that you lost e contract of e meeting. how? this is what i mean sue them. no hard feeling i am just listing an e.g and that why e 2nd point bellow is importance

firstly, i'd like to point out that e.g. is short for exempli gratia, Latin for "for example". it doesn't mean "example".

 

let me put it this way:

if police arrest you for an alleged offence, and you are charged in court, but are acquitted by the judge, can you sue the police for loss of reputation, earnings etc.?

 

the answer is - not if the police acted in good faith in arresting and charging you.

[pyro13]

TP can stop u if there are more than 4 i think.. ask the vespa riders, evertime go ut, often kena stop

[Jackie-HD]

abt 2 or 3mths ago, i happened to saw more than 100 malay riders rode together somewhere near sembawang. The view is really shocking. haha... up for them.. Great!!! :cheer: