Most Important Corner in PG

[Tortise]

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Originally posted by ambasnakeman@March 25, 2007 07:40 pm

that one only man on fire like u can do

no lah i never do before

[5thRider]

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Originally posted by stroker@March 26, 2007 05:57 pm

Dang! That's every corner in pg for you sir..

I wish it were so... But somehow I got no guts to be brave... Even my most confident turn isn't a fast turn(Turn3). It's like medium speed type, thing is I'm not even all that quick thru there! Plus I'm not even really that good at slow turns, e.g. turn 5. But since it's slow turn, nevermind lah... Stay upright more important for me... No need to be fastest everywhere, just good average seems alright...

[stroker]

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Originally posted by 5thRider@March 26, 2007 08:47 pm

...... just good average seems alright...

:sweat:

[SEL]

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Originally posted by 5thRider@March 26, 2007 08:47 pm

I wish it were so... But somehow I got no guts to be brave... Even my most confident turn isn't a fast turn(Turn3). It's like medium speed type, thing is I'm not even all that quick thru there! Plus I'm not even really that good at slow turns, e.g. turn 5. But since it's slow turn, nevermind lah... Stay upright more important for me... No need to be fastest everywhere, just good average seems alright...

well said bro.keep it up the good work.

[daigo34]

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Originally posted by 5thRider@March 26, 2007 08:47 pm

... Stay upright more important for me...

hahaha, r u sure bro. u been cornering lower n lower.n timing gettin faster n faster:sweat: well done

[Mr Hyde]

For starters, master turn 1. That's where it's long enough for you to slowly test the limits of your lean angle and also your body language. Practice the transition from full gas - brake - turn - corner speed - exit. Once you've got more or less the hang of it, translate that to the rest of the turns with considerations for specific corner ingredients. Don't worry so much at turn 1 as it's wide and banked. Doesn't mean you go Kamikaze into it too. Make small incremental steps, lowers the probability of you being crash-test-dummy.

[cagiva03]

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Originally posted by Slowpoke34@March 24, 2007 10:17 pm

another expert opinion

Fwaah... 200km/h for turn 2....The last time i try to clear at 180++km/h, i ended up in the gravel outside and topple my bike.... Luckily just minor scratches.... To those who are trying to improve their turn 2 entry speed, i would suggest u do it progressivly... Just my 2 cents worth of advice.....

 

PS: But i try clearing turn 2 using a R6 06 and a R1 07, seems to me like these 2 bikes actually stay on the inside much much better than my 749....Managed to clear the corners at the same speed with lesser effort compared to my ride.... Think it's time to change my ride liaoz, haigzzz....

[5thRider]

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Originally posted by daigo34@March 27, 2007 08:48 pm

hahaha, r u sure bro. u been cornering lower n lower.n timing gettin faster n faster:sweat: well done

It's ben awhile huh? But look at how many years it took me! 3 years to find 2 official seconds,that's not even 1 second improvement a year! Imagine how quick U would have been if you didn't stop? But I shouldn't tempt u otherwise I must chase like before... One thing still baffles me.. how u just quit the "habit" so quickly and suddenly? When my time comes, hope I be resolute too..

[rhema83]

My weakest is turn 5. Never did it well.

 

IMHO turn 1 is one of the most important because it is the corner that connects the two longest straights of the circuit. If you can brake well, carry good speed into the corner and have good drive out, you can definitely cut some precious seconds (or fractions thereof).

 

But I ended up as a crash test dummy there.

[jeffchua]

I felt that u gain more on high speed bends than low speed. 180kmph+1kmph compared to 80kmph+1kmph, there will be a big diff in the distance u cover.

[daigo34]

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Originally posted by 5thRider@March 28, 2007 06:10 am

It's ben awhile huh? But look at how many years it took me! 3 years to find 2 official seconds,that's not even 1 second improvement a year! Imagine how quick U would have been if you didn't stop? But I shouldn't tempt u otherwise I must chase like before... One thing still baffles me.. how u just quit the "habit" so quickly and suddenly? When my time comes, hope I be resolute too..

hahaha.no worries bro, u done great!as for me am not quitting but rest for time being.pursuing other interest.

[wee keong]

my weakest turn currently is turn 3, the L shape turn.. crush there twice same place with same technics. need advice. since its a L corner, am i right to say that we should delay turning into turn 3? advice please...

[Guest KISS]

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Originally posted by wee keong@April 08, 2007 07:14 pm

my weakest turn currently is turn 3, the L shape turn.. crush there twice same place with same technics. need advice. since its a L corner, am i right to say that we should delay turning into turn 3? advice please...

Its not a L corner, but more of a 7 corner. That corner was the first corner I fell way back in 1991.

 

You got to hold on tight to the apex and not let your bike drift out. Only open your throttle when its near the exit.

If you're weak at that corner, go slow and learn the proper lines. Get someone to teach you by following him.

[Tua Gu Sai]

For me personally it's the entry for all the corners, exit can be corrected during the corners, but for the entries to get the maximum speed in by late braking, amount of brakes applied during entry.

 

With Too much speed approching, u brake with ur bike straight and into the gravel, but if gay kiang, still turn and brake too hard, u will bua both kness sliders in one corner.

 

Exit speed not enough, throttle more and body throw out more...

 

I already damn demoralise when that 125cc chiet me twice in turn 4 during 5 lap race. Then I gave up in lap4, I am sure hogging him... if not, think he will be on the podium that day...

 

That 125cc is the only one in my signature with smokes.. prepared to smoke us...

[wee keong]

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Originally posted by KISS@April 09, 2007 06:20 am

Its not a L corner, but more of a 7 corner. That corner was the first corner I fell way back in 1991.

 

You got to hold on tight to the apex and not let your bike drift out. Only open your throttle when its near the exit.

If you're weak at that corner, go slow and learn the proper lines. Get someone to teach you by following him.

will holding the throttle throughout the 7 shape turn help? i went off course twice because i build speed when entering the turn and turn off throttle and brake as i negotiate the turn. the same technic landed me on the rocks and sands.

 

after serveral rounds, i decided to make another fast attempt pass the turn, while this time, i hold my throttle and accelarate slightly and i made the turn, merely, just merely. i was only a few CM away from the end of the track. i dont know about my lining but i think my lining is way too wrong. every time after the fall i panic when i see the apex and i begin to pull my bike and negotiate the bend.

 

i was thinking, delay the turning a bit since its a 7 shape, and hold throttle all the way?

 

i wish to conquer that turn. i need help...

[wee keong]

5thrider, there seem to be some problem with PM. could u mind adding me on msn at tohweekeong@hotmail.com? many thanx

[ambasnakeman]

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Originally posted by wee keong@April 09, 2007 07:30 pm

will holding the throttle throughout the 7 shape turn help? i went off course twice because i build speed when entering the turn and turn off throttle and brake as i negotiate the turn. the same technic landed me on the rocks and sands.

 

after serveral rounds, i decided to make another fast attempt pass the turn, while this time, i hold my throttle and accelarate slightly and i made the turn, merely, just merely. i was only a few CM away from the end of the track. i dont know about my lining but i think my lining is way too wrong. every time after the fall i panic when i see the apex and i begin to pull my bike and negotiate the bend.

 

i was thinking, delay the turning a bit since its a 7 shape, and hold throttle all the way?

 

i wish to conquer that turn. i need help...

turn 3 is not that bad turn, similar to turn 1..only tighter and left.

 

1) go in average speed.....hold throttle, keep looking at exit. dun open till u see turn 4.

 

2) go in faster, then u realise ur bike wants to pull out a little, throttle off for a split second and crack open....should be towards turn 4.

 

the part ur bike runs wide, is the point the turn starts to point towards turn 4.

 

keep urself to apex all the way. for me, in both rvf and r6, i realise this corner i had to hang off alot more just to be comfortable.....but this is definetly not my best corner....in fact i am slow in all corners(need to practice more)

[wee keong]

thanx amba.

 

looking forward to my next trip. =)

[Tortise]

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Originally posted by ambasnakeman@April 10, 2007 10:10 am

in fact i am slow in all corners(need to practice more)

oei stop bluffing people la

[redbeacon]

Instead of one, I have 3 in mind. And most of these are based on personal accounts:

 

Turn 1

This is whereupon approaching the turn that I find I have to slow down. A lot. Since this is the very first slightly-acute turn after a long straight (read: drag race anyone?), it's easy for one to go in too hot, ending up running the bike with a line that's too wide in that corner.

 

Moreover, there are plenty of mistakes that result in the abovementioned. Mistakes such as (#1) having the hindsight of entering it too fast, or (#2) not being able to decelerate in time due to late and incorrectly-planned braking or downshifting

 

I've personally fought against centrifugal forces after going in too hot a couple of times. Boy was it scary...

 

Turn 3

(The "yoga" turn. Flexible. Hang out -- and stretch your body -- until you give your knee sliders a good scrubbing)

This is a good place to flaunt your cornering dexterity, much likened to how figure skaters execute that very smooth but fast spin.

 

This corner is also where most people can run wide turns, just like Turn 1. The only difference between the tamer Turn 1 and this is that when you don't execute your cornering techniques properly, there is a higher risk of running off-track. Braking further aggravates the problem in this turn, so I don't think it's good to "correct" your mistake by braking whilst tackling this corner.

 

That's because the turn is quite acute, duh...That's why it's necessary for most, if not all riders to slow down right before entering it. And that's only one piece of the pie...

 

Turns 9 and 10

(The "hammerhead" turns)

I'm sure that in social circles in most racing pits, bikeshops, and even your local Kopitiam, a lot of racers have agreed upon a word to describe those almost-right-angled opposing turns. I forgot what it's called though. Therefore I decided to give it a name...a tribute to that awkward-looking wooden little tool that's sitting in my toolbox.

 

Anyways, of the entire Pasir Gudang racetrack, this is the one piece of the racetrack that I find dreadfully dangerous. And I'm happy that it's right there for me to tackle it. The reason why I feel that it's so dangerous is that these turns are there to defy any attempt to keep a bike within the racetrack; IMO riders fall prey to these effectively.

 

Moreover, there are 2 -- when one successfully finishes up on Turn 9, the rider has this precious split second to change direction to tackle Turn 10.

 

There are ways to cheat these turns, but for every newbie, I'm sure they have to concentrate on both these turns. They even have to anticipate these turns because both of these turns are tucked in nicely behind the brow of the upward incline, concealed from the racer's point-of-view from a few kilometres away.

 

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EDIT: This was written one year ago, when I was a fresh rider with little experience. Although the accounts were true, in actual fact, these are merely sightings and don't help much in learning the 12 important PG turns.

Sorry if I get anyone of ya excited there.

[mubarak]

can ask u bro abt the gearing in pg n wats the spocket 2 use

[asjunior]

  OFFICIAL said:

For me it's turn 2 to 3. always can't make the turn well need advise.

it need lot of practice, lot of tire one more important thing LOT of GUTZ.......heheheh

[redbeacon]

IMO once new riders have some sort of orientation and understanding of how the 12 turns connect with each other, I feel riders should place more emphasis on these turns during their self-training:

 

Turn 1: This is the place where I ask many that runoff here, especially for the first half of the turn before the apex.

"What happened, dude?"

 

Turn 5: Same.

 

Turn 9 & 10 (aka the BMW): Ditto....

 

I was taught a few basic ground rules, and I'm going to impart these to those that have a few times' experience on the track.

 

Focus is the most important aspect of track riding. Not begin focusing when you're in the turn already, but way before it.

Plan before you enter, not just simply whack and hope you can "eat up" the slower riders. I'm not saying you can't, but even the better riders have to plan before they "cut".

 

It's the same "look far" concept as what the riding centres have taught us during our riding days.

I'm sure all of us experienced riders in this forums with substantial tracktime have learnt and applied this concept by book, next best track rider, or by his/her subconscious self.

 

Ride hard, and keep the rubber side up dudes/dudettes

 

P.S.: Standard disclaimer applies -- I'm still a n00b too, learning the ropes. Ha!

[rhema83]

I find it very confidence inspiring to ride around the track for a couple of "sighting laps" at street pace. With minimal hanging off and half throttle, my mind had the capacity to see more things. For example, where exactly I want my bike to be when I turn up the pace later. And of course, any hazards that I should avoid.

 

Personally, I feel that the first and last corners are important, because they lead to long straights where momentum and drive are important (especially for smaller displacement bikes). I always find that I don't make use of the entire width of the track (especially for the first turn) and lean too much (thus putting undue stress on the bike and myself).

[Wayang]

whoa.. i'm surprised someone dig up my old thread.. i myself have forgotten i started such a topic.. anyway it was interesting re-reading all the posts..