[Blogs] Today while riding...

[danielling1981]

if i'm taking the whole lane, and there's vehicles about 2 sec in front of me, and another vehicle try to tailgate from my rear, of course you will F the driver for tailgating.

 

but turn the situation around, if there's no vehicle in front, and another vehicle comes close, of course i move away, as they are travelling faster. unless he/she sticks to your rear no matter which lane you go to.

 

now re-enact the situation while lane-splitting.

 

even if i'm bike 2, or 3, or 4, and i feel i'm holding up the bikes behind, i just move over and wave them thru. i rather lane-split at my own pace than to endanger myself and other users.

 

I will also try to give way if i can. But i think its hard to do so during jams.

 

During lane split, i find tat e cars to e left and right in front of me will make me limit my spd.

 

Anyway let me play with words again to draft something similar to ur first paragraph.

 

I lane splitting and keep 2 sec rule to e bike in front. Then bike tailgate me. So i just f e rider behind right?

 

anyway to sum up. If safe to do so, i encourage giving way if slower than those behind.

 

If not safe to do so, then i encourage not to give way and instead f those trying too hard to squeeze through or god d tailgaters.

 

This advice would be e same as when a car tailgate a bike. If safe pla give way. If not safe f e driver behind. So it should not be becoz is bike behind then must give way. Remember tat we should give way without causing danger to ourselves or others.

 

Last thing is remember as riders, we shouldnt insist on right of way becoz it is a risk. So y is it tat when lane split and e bike in front is slow, we should insist e rider in front to give way?

 

Again i feel tat if e rider infront think it is safe to give way, good. If he dun feel safe then so be it. If e rider f up an dun wan to give then so e it, pls dun force. Becoz if it is a car we wont force and insist on right of way?

 

So y if target is bike then we will insist? Is it becoz both r bike and will be meat cover bike for both? Then again i say we r no diff from fup drivers.

[aRcHeR]

so far i've seen, those not giving way are either:

 

1. not aware of the 'dragon' thats behind him/her

2. in his/her own world

3. not confident in lane splitting yet wan to L/S

4. all of the above

 

think the correct term to use should be heavy traffic, rather than jam. when it actually jams whereby speeds are slower than

 

but under heavy traffic, traffic will still move but at a slower speed around

 

2b bikes are easier to L/S than a class 2 bike due to the size of the bike. if a class 2 bike feels that the road is safe/clear to L/S safely, and yet is being blocked by a slow poker who's travelling at the same speed as cars. would you overtake via 2.5 or stay close on his backside and wait for him to siam?

[xavw]

have experienced kuku slow riders lane splitting between lane 1 & 2, its quite frustrating. but i'll either change to another lane, or just follow behind and keep a safe distance. i've never ever squeezed and try to overtake a lane splitting rider, i find it too dangerous. playing with your life and other people's life.

 

sometimes i also happen to be the slower rider, i'll just give way by going into the lane or try to speed up. also got jb bikes squeeze between me before, and i just think WTF!

 

eh, i tio accident before, fup combination of rain, fup new tires and kuku driver. kenna fracture, out of action for a few months. damn inconvenient and have to trouble other people, cause loved ones to worry, etc etc.. those risky moves just not worth it lah.

[danielling1981]

@aRcHeR.

 

Agreed with ur 4 points.

 

Also agree on Jam will be even slower. My choice of words is not accurate.

 

Actually for the cars accelerate/brake issue, there is a danger. Normally when i drive, during this type of stop start situations, I dun step on the acceleration. Becoz the distance to cover is usually very short. If the distance increases then I will accelerate but gently. So for my type of drivers, a rider can filter in safety. But those tat will STEP on accelerator will be a very dangerous case for riders to attempt to filter in. Remember this discussion begin with Silent Hunter's example of a car which accelerated but fail to brake in time due to reaction. In his example, the car tried to change lane, saw the kuku rider and quickly change back, couldn't brake and buang the front car. So now u can just swap the front car for a rider filtering in. Though I agree that there will be chances for riders to filter into the lane to allow the dragon to move, but due to the nature of traffic (Rapidly changing conditions), i feel that it is more danger than necessary for the giving way factor. Basically i feel tat more often than not, it would be more dangerous to give way in this scenarios.

 

Agree tat cls2 bigger size so if cls2 can, 2b usually can. Most of the times, I will just stay behind but NOT CLOSE on his backside. I ride with safe distance, will share my video tonight. Usually dun show lane split as there's nothing to show anyway. lol. Not sure wat u mean by overtake via 2.5, but given a safe chance, i will also overtake. But i dun do wat i c often now a days, those sudden high spd overtake which if look from a bird eye will be e angle bracket shape. I think this type of overtake is extremely risky. The rider u r overtaking just need to twist a bit and accident, or the rider overtaking just needs to misjudge slightly and gG. Too much risk for watever kind of savings u think u can achieve. I ve mention tat u save wat? Minutes? Of coz if u ve considered all these and always overtake safely, by all means. But i ve seen too many cases of those who think they r damn good awaiting accidents to happen type of aggressive overtaking. And sadly, usually these riders r the type tat cannot wait, must tailgate the bike in front (similar to wat we complain about some bikes)

 

If i ever ve a chance to record a video of such a form of tailgating, will share. But those who travels BKE during peak will noe wat i mean.

 

Ps: really sry for my long post. i hope this is mot e case but some may e unhappy with my opinions. Of coz naturally their opinion is tat it is safe to do so. But after seeing some of e overtaking methods, i fear for their safety. Riding bike is a danger though not of our own construct. By taking actions tat may be remotely dangerous is just adding on to e risks we r taking by getting on e bike.

[wait4me]

Hmm... So far I never cause other road users to bang into other road users... Either I bang them and claim them or they bang me and I claim them... Either way it's still me claiming them... So do u think I'm fup if all the accidents, I always have the right of way? Lmao... Think la... I hit a car at a junction, the driver get fined $200 and 6 demerit points... I hit a car at a straight road, the driver get fined $200 and 6 demerit points... If I'm fup, wouldn't I be disqualified? Lmao... It's not about luck or whatever, it's all down to the riders skill to make his fault look like others fault... Get it?

i wonder why u hit car , u will escape and cause the driver to be fined instead ..

[danielling1981]

Hmm... So far I never cause other road users to bang into other road users... Either I bang them and claim them or they bang me and I claim them... Either way it's still me claiming them... So do u think I'm fup if all the accidents, I always have the right of way? Lmao... Think la... I hit a car at a junction, the driver get fined $200 and 6 demerit points... I hit a car at a straight road, the driver get fined $200 and 6 demerit points... If I'm fup, wouldn't I be disqualified? Lmao... It's not about luck or whatever, it's all down to the riders skill to make his fault look like others fault... Get it?

 

@WAItforme. U quote pjy's post made me re read again and saw a more glaring issue.

 

@pjy. Once again u ve e right to ur opinion. Not saying tat i am right and u r wrong. Not trying to related to ur other case either.

 

But ur post said "It's not about luck or whatever, it's all down to the riders skill to make his fault look like others fault... Get it? ;)"

 

Basically i understand it as u can be fup as long as e law, court, tp rules in ur favour. So if i assumed correctly then my opinion stands, u r fup. if my assumption is wrong. I apologise for my words.

 

Ps: a car cut ur lane jam brake, u buang him without camera. Then law rule u tailgate = u fup and e driver not fup. Right?

[Silent Hunter]

In this kind of scenarios, I would tailgate especially close to the kuku rider and try to split between him and the cars an force him into the middle of the centre lane... And the accident would not have happened... Kuku riders should keep on the extreme left lane and ram into the bushes and not cause other road users accidents... 👍

 

Too bad you weren't there yesterday, otherwise problem solved.

 

Because.... I keep 2 bike lengths already nearby banged him. You tailgate sure bang him!

Then 2 of you go one side settle, we all go on our merry way!

Everybody happy!

 

If got "Bei Zhai" rider die die want to lanesplit, let them lah, we all were once newbie, just remember got Karma one. If he die die want to lanesplit, eventually he will learn to do so, and we won't have ku ku rider already. If he buang, he cannot ride, we also don't have ku ku rider, so it's a win win situation. And everything balances out.

 

If you tailgate him, and he buang and die you feel good mare?

If you tailgate him and bang into him, then both fall down and you get run over by carsssss behind and crippled for life, you feel good mare?

[XxPJYxX]

I share ur sadness in regards to ur case. My comment was made toward ur comments where u will squeeze even though e bike in front is lane splitting. And u will "force" e rider in front to give way. No reference at all to ur case, dunno y u think just becoz u r right in some cases = right in all cases.

 

Anyway u can think u r right to squeeze pass e bike in front during lane split. U can think u r right to "force" e bike in front to give way.

 

I can also think ur this 2 comment is fup becoz it is just like e fup cars we c and scold on e roads.

 

Once again i state tat my comment is made toward ur comment. U wan to link to ur case pls link properly.

 

That's why I say good that nobody complaining about me here ma... Cos here is just saying and when I'm on the road, I'm different... >_

[frozenpenguins]

today while riding...

 

I'm very sad I don't have daniel's camera yet... otherwise could have take the video of a bus moving slowly right at the corner of a car park entrance by the main road along hougang ave 2 and a car at the right side of the bus on lane 2 signalling want to go into the car park...

 

and then... the car cut in to the left while the bus was still moving straight and BANG!!! you had an accident noob...

 

moral of the story... if you miss your car park entrance... just make a u-turn...

[danielling1981]

That's why I say good that nobody complaining about me here ma... Cos here is just saying and when I'm on the road, I'm different... >_

 

 

That's why I say good that nobody complaining about me here ma... Cos here is just saying and when I'm on the road, I'm different... >_

 

If u say so.

 

@sharing. As promised my lane split boring safe video.

 

 

And some other sharing of the day.

 

 

Hope to get some comments on the above video

 

 

2 positive 1 negative in my opinion.

[XxPJYxX]

@WAItforme. U quote pjy's post made me re read again and saw a more glaring issue.

 

@pjy. Once again u ve e right to ur opinion. Not saying tat i am right and u r wrong. Not trying to related to ur other case either.

 

But ur post said "It's not about luck or whatever, it's all down to the riders skill to make his fault look like others fault... Get it? ;)"

 

Basically i understand it as u can be fup as long as e law, court, tp rules in ur favour. So if i assumed correctly then my opinion stands, u r fup. if my assumption is wrong. I apologise for my words.

 

Ps: a car cut ur lane jam brake, u buang him without camera. Then law rule u tailgate = u fup and e driver not fup. Right?

 

That's why I say it's all down to the riders skill to avoid hitting him... Or hit him and make sure it's the drivers fault because it is the drivers fault... Lol

[XxPJYxX]

Too bad you weren't there yesterday, otherwise problem solved.

 

Because.... I keep 2 bike lengths already nearby banged him. You tailgate sure bang him!

Then 2 of you go one side settle, we all go on our merry way!

Everybody happy!

 

If got "Bei Zhai" rider die die want to lanesplit, let them lah, we all were once newbie, just remember got Karma one. If he die die want to lanesplit, eventually he will learn to do so, and we won't have ku ku rider already. If he buang, he cannot ride, we also don't have ku ku rider, so it's a win win situation. And everything balances out.

 

If you tailgate him, and he buang and die you feel good mare?

If you tailgate him and bang into him, then both fall down and you get run over by carsssss behind and crippled for life, you feel good mare?

 

Won't die de la... Not so easy de... -.- tested and proven... Lol

[wait4me]

@WAItforme. U quote pjy's post made me re read again and saw a more glaring issue.

 

@pjy. Once again u ve e right to ur opinion. Not saying tat i am right and u r wrong. Not trying to related to ur other case either.

 

But ur post said "It's not about luck or whatever, it's all down to the riders skill to make his fault look like others fault... Get it? ;)"

 

Basically i understand it as u can be fup as long as e law, court, tp rules in ur favour. So if i assumed correctly then my opinion stands, u r fup. if my assumption is wrong. I apologise for my words.

 

Ps: a car cut ur lane jam brake, u buang him without camera. Then law rule u tailgate = u fup and e driver not fup. Right?

what issue ??? his imba riding skill or like a boss riding skill ??

[Forhod]

currently i dun lane split (most of e time) for e famous adam/lornie road.

 

That's one portion over there I don't split where the centre divider becomes full concrete wall.. A lot of kuku drivers scared of the walls and thus keep very close or even sometimes on the broken lines..

 

Good for u. ^^ but sometimes e front bike slow down and i catch up unintentionally. Then will slow down to keep space. But seldom c this behavior.

 

Usually e dragon form very pretty with any breaks in e links. Then touch wood, will become like a dragon head with a compressed body.

 

I just realised I have always followed the 2sec rule.. :D and once they give way den zoooom!

 

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Yeah.. I also won't follow the front bike too closely during LS, I keep at least one car length away in case he jam brake or fall down I still got time to react.

 

If kana those "dragon head", I'll wait for either lanes for gap before overtaking. I agree overtaking while LS with the front bike LS-ing is damn dangerous and not worth the risk. But sometimes really hot ah.. I admit I tailgate him to signal that I wanna pass..

 

So bottom line, lane split at your own pace but give way to faster bikes.

 

 

That's why I say good that nobody complaining about me here ma... Cos here is just saying and when I'm on the road, I'm different... >_

 

Bro, we are all bikers here and are concern for each others safety. What you post online here will reflect on your personality, so please think properly and phrase your words correctly before posting to prevent unnecessary wrong impression.

[danielling1981]

@WAItforme. Boss riding. Lol.

 

@Forhod. I usually try not to lane split e whole stretch. It is 1 of e thinnest stretch of road in sg in my opinion. Some more now cls2 = even more difficult.

 

So i dun bother le becoz e stress and pressurr and engine heat make it not worth well. Only when stand still traffic then i try. Most of e time will still c e lane splitters when entering PIE. No much diff.

 

Btw, hope tat u will be able to dun tailgate to signal u wan to pass. Im glad tat ur usual riding u will keep safety. But sad when u very hot will tailgate. I think u also agree tat tailgate while LS is extremely dangerous. I hope for ur own safety u will be able to refrain from tat. :/

[adesmond2]

If u say so.

 

@sharing. As promised my lane split boring safe video.

 

 

And some other sharing of the day.

 

 

Hope to get some comments on the above video

 

 

2 positive 1 negative in my opinion.

 

nice video taking bro.. but why angle abit not correct sia..

 

sky more road abit lesser..

 

Just my 2 cent of view...

[danielling1981]

nice video taking bro.. but why angle abit not correct sia..

 

sky more road abit lesser..

 

Just my 2 cent of view...

 

Ya i noe. Lol. Now still trying to finalize e mounting position but dunno y change here and there always too low or too high. Helmet mount too flexible.

 

 

@blogtodaywhileriding. Sadly rear tire tio nail. thankfully can patch. Lol

[wait4me]

daniel , u must turn your head let us see the driver , then wave then move off

[danielling1981]

daniel , u must turn your head let us see the driver , then wave then move off

 

Ya i noe. But i find e stability of e video mot there. So far i try all not clear. If someone willing to lend me a better quality cam then i test and buy myself.

[lycan]

Ya i noe. But i find e stability of e video mot there. So far i try all not clear. If someone willing to lend me a better quality cam then i test and buy myself.

 

just get yourself a gopro?

[Forhod]

 

Btw, hope tat u will be able to dun tailgate to signal u wan to pass. Im glad tat ur usual riding u will keep safety. But sad when u very hot will tailgate. I think u also agree tat tailgate while LS is extremely dangerous. I hope for ur own safety u will be able to refrain from tat. :/

 

Yeah, anyway it's rare. I haven't chut this stunt for a long time because the riders I met so far are very nice. They will let me pass when I'm faster than them. This makes the whole journey so much more pleasant, so I do the same when another bike is faster than me.

 

Ride safe & live to ride another day!

[wait4me]

Ya i noe. But i find e stability of e video mot there. So far i try all not clear. If someone willing to lend me a better quality cam then i test and buy myself.

ok

 

next time u see chio wan , u turn and look a bit longer ok

[danielling1981]

just get yourself a gopro?

 

Before i started this mini project i look through youtube videos comparing many different action cams. Basically gopro is really for e extreme end of activity. Like i u always track wan record type.

 

For my type of activity its too overkill. :/ too bad e prices r not coming down yet but still eyeing e crocolis or e alvin"'s hd version. Both 100++

[danielling1981]

ok

 

next time u see chio wan , u turn and look a bit longer ok

 

U ok mean lending me or chut $ sponsor me?

[wait4me]

U ok mean lending me or chut $ sponsor me?

i ish poor man wan leh .. ok i support u all the trial test