Why so many classes of bike licence?

[R1985]

watever they do i belive got reason la... i got to noe this guy in ssdc nv pass 2b den nv ride bike 4 1 yr den take class 2a... during lesson keep drop bike, engine die and all tat.... just imagine newb ridder 1st bike take big bike... even worst sport bike... i think every u turn he do also fall down...

 

well i think cars in sg also following the bike system... got 3a and 3... though no compulsory to take 3a 1st.... but in e future dunno liaoz... lucky they nv go by cc catagory orelse die... car frm 1000cc-3000cc lehz... hahaha

[mechwira]

Originally posted by Sleepyhead@Dec 4 2005, 01:05 PM

But there are certain 125cc that aare never allowed on the roads due to power like the Cagiva Mito is only allowed to be sold as a pure track bike in UK.

the mito is not allowed as road bikes in some parts of europe and US not because of the power, but because of its exhaust emissions. the 2-stroke 125cc engine emissions simply do not meet the allowable limit they set, particularly because cagiva designed the bike without caring about emission levels but instead on making a beginner track bike. aprilia used to provide road considerations for the RS series, but even the RS250 now not road legal based on emissions, and now aprilia sells them as 'track-use' only. its not the power.

 

in singapore its kinda stupid to ban the mito with the same basis coz 2 stroke 2b bikes still form a large part of motorcycle population, and the mito's emission level isn significantly higher than any other thai 2 stroke.

[compfused]

Knew I should have gotten my licence when I was 18..Now must wait so long just to ride bigger bikes.. If so the need for 3 classes..Maybe 2a they extend to 600cc seeing as there is limited bikes for 400cc..Having two classes should be enough and just raise the legal age to 21..Class2b then 1 year probation then class2..

 

As for accidents..It is not necessarily the fault of us riders..Most accidents involving bikes involve cars as well..Most drivers as you've prolly experience only think of themselves..They being bigger that we always have to give way to them even when we have the right of way Major road to minor road)..There have been countless instances when I've to slow down (alot) just cause a bigger vehicles decides to get out of the carpark w/out checkin his/her blind spots..Its not a nice feeling to suddenly drop to a very low speed and in the process to drop gear just to give way to such riders..There's also been countless instances whereby a car tries to turn to the left ata junction but has been travelling on the right all the while while I was gonna make a right turn..But did the car give way? No I as a rider (smaller vehicle) have to give way..

 

As much as the lao jiao riders are slamming P-plates riders with their reason for lack of experience..Too young..Can't handle bikes..Isn't it better that we got together instead of against each other? Share with us your experience..We both have the same interest..Seems that its always the drivers (cars) who want us to get off the roads..

 

Just my thoughts..Sorry if I've gone

[wait4me]

i onli know that when young .. ones tends to be hot blooded

dunno what death and danger is..

 

i wont be suprise if they raise the age to 21

because almost all accidents reports are 25 and below

[Tyrian]

change class licence or not, it doesn't concern me anymore coz i have all the 3 classes liao..

 

juz like everyone else, i always hope that they would reduce the number of classes or increase class 2b to 250cc etc.. i had that thought when i have not successfully accquired the licences..

 

its been a year since i got my class 2 but hw come i'm still stuck with my class 2A bike? its the high insurance premium that kept me away from owning a big bike.. i would rather they reduce the insurance premium and increase the maximum allowable no-claim discount (NCD) to 50% than the current 20%

[pyro13]

be glad ters a loophole in the system.. wat if the TP says that u have to RIDE for a year den ur probation will be waived??like that.. bikeshop super roaring business

[pyro13]

wen u take class 2A..can feel the difference in power and handling..if u let d newbies of 2B try it..confirm kiss the tarmac...

[hairisg76]

wow... i can't imagine if a rich kid p-plate rider can be allowed to buy a hayabusa or whatever huge superbike he desires... i would think many more lives would be at stake including him. - just my two cent's worth.

[rhema83]

Originally posted by hairisg76@Sep 28 2006, 09:24 PM

wow... i can't imagine if a rich kid p-plate rider can be allowed to buy a hayabusa or whatever huge superbike he desires... i would think many more lives would be at stake including him. - just my two cent's worth.

That's what happens in the US. But usually the kid kills himself by cornering too fast and drifting into the opposite lane, and crashing into a truck or the guardrail on the other side.

[pyro13]

he wanna follow fast and futious tokyop drift

[pencapchew]

I guess having 3 different classes for bikes is good. But the authorities should revise the CC of bikes in each class. It would be good if 2B - lesser or equal 250cc, 2A up to 600cc, and 2 greater than 600. Which means i dont need to wait 2 years before i can ride R6... hehe

[the_scientist85]

hehe:smile: for me i personally i tink 2 class enuf. 400cc. but extend the waiting time to ...maybe 3 yrs. cos i tink

 

anyway remove some of the circuit courses like crank course n bumpy course cos i tink dats the most useless course n modify like increase the speed for e brake n to make it more challenging, put some sand there. hehe.... sure challenging. n add 1 more course like a long stretch road wif a trafic light in the middle. ride at a certain speed, say 50km/h. n it will change colours at random time to simulate normal trafic light. see the rider decision wether wan to stop or beat the lights. beat yellow still pass u beat red imm fail, n u cant slow down but proceed to beat the lites. shows u indecisive. simple as dat. at least here beat red u jus repeat the lesson no points n fine. hehe n 1 more ting....shud make defensive course compulsory after u buy a new bike. but i tink take dat course wif ur own new bike. the main idea of the course is to ride the normal tp test route. n have a advance defensive riding which concentrate on advance skill. dat 1 u cn choose to use which bike.

[gorgonitz82]

i think 3 classes is good but please adjust the cc ratings upwards as many mentioned ..... maybe pegging how fast u can obtain ur classes according to your age is a good idea as well ... older than no need to wait ..... and i agree that a young n rich brat (p-plater)will kill himself/herself first on his/her superbike first before causing harm .... look at the road ... p-plate slk, wrx, ...

[gorgonitz82]

Originally posted by the_scientist85@Dec 12 2006, 10:03 PM

hehe:smile: for me i personally i tink 2 class enuf. 400cc. but extend the waiting time to ...maybe 3 yrs. cos i tink

 

anyway remove some of the circuit courses like crank course n bumpy course cos i tink dats the most useless course n modify like increase the speed for e brake n to make it more challenging, put some sand there. hehe.... sure challenging. n add 1 more course like a long stretch road wif a trafic light in the middle. ride at a certain speed, say 50km/h. n it will change colours at random time to simulate normal trafic light. see the rider decision wether wan to stop or beat the lights. beat yellow still pass u beat red imm fail, n u cant slow down but proceed to beat the lites. shows u indecisive. simple as dat. at least here beat red u jus repeat the lesson no points n fine. hehe n 1 more ting....shud make defensive course compulsory after u buy a new bike. but i tink take dat course wif ur own new bike. the main idea of the course is to ride the normal tp test route. n have a advance defensive riding which concentrate on advance skill. dat 1 u cn choose to use which bike.

agree with what u say ... at least go up to 400cc ... 2-stroke too nosiy and 2T ... then 150cc 4-stroke not that comfortable compared to 4-stroke 400cc... anyway setting the limit for cl2b at 200cc is abit wierd.... most makes are 150cc and 250cc for 2strokes ... 200cc mostly scoot and scram....

[the_scientist85]

like now em3 is defunct, onli left 2 streams, the so called express n normal. so do away wif cl2 n classify bike into 400cc (luxury). hehe... my thoughts onli.

[Refugee]

how does this sound?

 

 

Class 2B... Min 18 years old... up to 250cc...

 

1 year later...

 

Class 2A... up to 500cc

 

until you're 25.... then..

 

Class 2... min 25 years old.. above 600cc..

 

 

sounds like a plan right?

 

since statistics shown that below 25 is a vulnerable age and insurance company is using 25 as a mean age too.. i mean.. why not use it as the age for class 2 bikers?

 

morever, its around that age that we get to really afford those bikes too...

 

just my 2 singapore cents... (and of course i know.. it wont happen... )

[Refugee]

how does this sound?

 

 

Class 2B... Min 18 years old... up to 250cc...

 

1 year later...

 

Class 2A... up to 500cc

 

until you're 25.... then..

 

Class 2... min 25 years old.. above 600cc..

 

 

sounds like a plan right?

 

since statistics shown that below 25 is a vulnerable age and insurance company is using 25 as a mean age too.. i mean.. why not use it as the age for class 2 bikers?

 

morever, its around that age that we get to really afford those bikes too...

 

just my 2 singapore cents... (and of course i know.. it wont happen... )

[raphael]

3 license too bullshit liao

maybe gahment just wanna make more $

[jhawk2820]

Originally posted by Hideki45@February 03, 2007 05:49 pm

3 license too bullshit liao

maybe gahment just wanna make more $

althought i hate that i need to go through 3 times tp to get a class 2. need to put in more money and time

 

but i find its necessary to have more experience on smaller bike b4 upgrade to bigger cc.

handling bigger bike need more experience and skill.

 

after all need patient to get the class you want.

[Windust]

for me its the thing learn at the driving centre that piss me off.basically,u are just learning how to go around the circuit doing useless courses & timing.its like not really learning how to adapt and handle different cc bike,so whats the point of having 3 license tier?if they can come out with good lessons which really enable us to learn,i will definatly support the 3 license tier!!!

[barrenwizard]

Nowonder lah CB400 is so so so so so scarce in Singapore. Like as if its a normal thing already... Cause of the license limit...

[Nicholai]

Originally posted by jhawk2820@February 03, 2007 10:58 pm

althought i hate that i need to go through 3 times tp to get a class 2. need to put in more money and time

 

but i find its necessary to have more experience on smaller bike b4 upgrade to bigger cc.

handling bigger bike need more experience and skill.

 

after all need patient to get the class you want.

Totally agree with you, man! The feeling & handling of 200cc, 400cc and a 1000cc bikes are totally different. Besides that, the engine power of these bikes varies by a lot... with different classes of motorcyle license the rider will learn new defensive riding skills with different classes of bikes. Anyway, I believe Singapore's driving/riding license is the real deal in the world (not trying to exaggerate)... For example, I asked an uncle of mine who lives in the US about how does one get his/her motorcycle license there. He told me that all you need to do is register yourself at any of their riding schools (famous one is a riding school by Honda), take a riding theory test (like we do here), go for circuit ride (similar to ours) and get your license (with no verification on different classes of bikes) on the spot.. simple eh...

 

But when anyone who holds an American riding license try to convert their license here, they will only be given a 2B license... .. haha... think about it, dudes... back in the states, they'll go riding their Harleys, Indians, etc... but when they are here, they can only settle for 2B bikes (unless, of course, they make an appeal to upgrade their license to the Traffic Police)... ironic ain't it... Yes, we pay more but I do not mind paying for quality, man..

 

Peace...

[OhMiGosh]

Totally agree with you, man! The feeling & handling of 200cc, 400cc and a 1000cc bikes are totally different. Besides that, the engine power of these bikes varies by a lot... with different classes of motorcyle license the rider will learn new defensive riding skills with different classes of bikes. Anyway, I believe Singapore's driving/riding license is the real deal in the world (not trying to exaggerate)... For example, I asked an uncle of mine who lives in the US about how does one get his/her motorcycle license there. He told me that all you need to do is register yourself at any of their riding schools (famous one is a riding school by Honda), take a riding theory test (like we do here), go for circuit ride (similar to ours) and get your license (with no verification on different classes of bikes) on the spot.. simple eh...

 

But when anyone who holds an American riding license try to convert their license here, they will only be given a 2B license... .. haha... think about it, dudes... back in the states, they'll go riding their Harleys, Indians, etc... but when they are here, they can only settle for 2B bikes (unless, of course, they make an appeal to upgrade their license to the Traffic Police)... ironic ain't it... Yes, we pay more but I do not mind paying for quality, man..

 

Peace...

 

with the current system of license, fatalities is still quite high among bikers.. if they really do allow 1 class for all sorts of m/cycle.. then i think it would be even higher and i think alot of us would be "challenged" by those who just got their license and bought a supersports bike. not only that.. insurance premium will too rocket sky high.. just imagine how much would it be for a 18yr old with R1 ... 2k annually? LOL

[Strong Eagle]

The idea of having classes of licenses is a good one. The statistics in the US show a large increase in accidents on large cc motorcycles. Mostly it is older guys (and gals) who go out and get their license on a 250 cc, then buy a big Harley. They are not equipped with riding skills and they crash a lot more than average.

 

Having said that, even with 3 classes in Singapore there seems to be something missing in the training, although I will say I have not done the training. By observation of riding habits, people are not taught to be proficient, safe motorcyclists.

 

Things that I see that are dangerous.

 

a) Riding down the road with one foot one inch off the pavement. Does nothing, all you have to do is catch your foot at speed to break a leg or take the bike down. Even the TP seems to do this.

 

b) Filtering fast moving traffic, worse allowing no more than a few inches when slipping by moving cars. Just asking to become the middle of a car sandwich.

 

c) Riding in blind spots so that you cannot be seen by cage drivers (or even other bikers).

 

d) Overtaking and passing other cars/bikes wihout regard to the intention of the car in front of you... I've seen many pass a car on the left while the driver has the turn signal on and is trying to move left.

 

e) Failure to control speed, especially in turns and in the rain. I see so many bikes runing at the very envelope of traction - if anything goes wrong, you go down.

 

f) Failure to spot dangerous situations - like a car getting ready to pull out from a car park, or a car that is going to jump the right turn signal. The motorcycle safety foundation in the US promotes SIPDE:

 

(S)can - observe all that is going on around you and behind you.

(I)dentify those elements in the driving pattern which may be of danger to you.

(P)redict which of the situations may be of the most danger to you and what you will do to avoid.

(D)ecide on what actions you will take to avoid the danger.

(E)xecute those actions.

[nhyone]

Having said that, even with 3 classes in Singapore there seems to be something missing in the training, although I will say I have not done the training. By observation of riding habits, people are not taught to be proficient, safe motorcyclists.

 

I can tell you it's not for the lack of training. Class 2B (200cc) is rather hard to pass. Passing rate is typically 30-40%. Two main killers: wobbling (unsteady during braking/moving off) and blindspot checking. These two are enough to fail you easily.

 

A learner has to check his blindspot at every turning, at every lane change and everytime he moves off. He has to do it to pass. Yet, after that, he doesn't do it anymore. A safety aspect becomes just a way to pass the test.

 

The other safety aspects are covered in theory lessons (with videos some more). But I know for one that without personal road experience, it's hard to relate the lessons to real life riding. You attend the lessons because... you have to. It's not to learn anything.

 

And you don't learn lane splitting in school. Other riders do it, you save time, so you do it.