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[arthur_chan]

light in your favour?

both green

how are you?

any injuries?

minor

how bad is your bike damaged?

dont know

 

my bike is now parking in a secret vip spot, with 24hr guard.

[Fredd]

yep arthur..better say e right things to the IO. this tp IOs can be real *custards*. n hope got sum nice witness come up to ur defence. but then again u r wikipedia..so probably u noe wad to do..good luck

 

light in your favour?

how are you?

any injuries?

how bad is your bike damaged?

[alvinyansg]

yep arthur..better say e right things to the IO. this tp IOs can be real *custards*. n hope got sum nice witness come up to ur defence. but then again u r wikipedia..so probably u noe wad to do..good luck

 

this is the time when camera mounted on our bike will be useful

[alvinyansg]

light in your favour?

both green

how are you?

any injuries?

minor

how bad is your bike damaged?

dont know

 

my bike is now parking in a secret vip spot, with 24hr guard.

 

glad to know you are fine...

from the drawing and both green light means you have the right of way...

rest well...

[glzco]

@arthur_chan i'm sure you know what to do with it la.. heh.. rem all the usual drills.. this time claim that guy jia lat jia lat.. its an obvious case.. driver nt slowing down and assume all clear.. best if there is some camera ard the area.. i'm sure they can review it.. lucky you are fine.. really dunoe why drivers dun bother to look out at all..

[arthur_chan]

drill is there, confusion when it happen, got some passerby say wana be my witness, but didn't get contact, cos was pull here n there.

 

anyway i can believe i met a blind & deaf old doctor driver, 3 horns r not enough to wake him up, technically the whole street can hear me, n he still dare to say i should give way. my poor zorro.

 

tomorrow is another busy day for me, running here n there again, hope can settle all the things, else .... :sigh:

[Allen]

drill is there, confusion when it happen, got some passerby say wana be my witness, but didn't get contact, cos was pull here n there.

 

anyway i can believe i met a blind & deaf old doctor driver, 3 horns r not enough to wake him up, technically the whole street can hear me, n he still dare to say i should give way. my poor zorro.

 

tomorrow is another busy day for me, running here n there again, hope can settle all the things, else .... :sigh:

 

All the best man..

[shixiongsg]

Hi and welcome,

You need to tell us what are the few problems you're having with the bike so we can help..

UM is definitely where you need to go to have answers and solutions. What are the problems, and symptoms, and what did southern motors say besides they can't fix ?

How old is the bike ? Who was the previous owner, do you know or did you buy it from a shop ? How long exactly have you been riding it ?

The reason I'm asking for the owner is that we might either know him or know his bike, or it can help give you an idea of their riding style and what they used the bike for, which will tell you why you're having these issues.

I have been riding my P200 for a year and I can't say I 've had problems, but it was first hand, so what the previous owner did to your bike is key here.

 

If you can't wait for our feedback after you give us more details, just go to UM - best to drop there during week days, outside lunch hour and before 5pm if you can. They close at 7pm during the week.

 

k here's the rundown...

I had been riding the bike since 1st Mar 2011.

I do not know the ex-owner as I got it directly from the shop.Well the plate no is FBC9023K and it's original registration date was 07/08/08. I bought it at downpayment of 1500 plus my insurance of 578 and includ interest total is 3660.(had a feeling kenna chopped)

 

During the first two weeks when I got the bike, there were problems with the gear. Southern helped me to change the gears plates as they said the teeths inside is broken. However after changing when i go on CTE, my bike could only reach 95 at most and my rpm is at 9 (nearly the red zone) making it super noisy.Before i sent my bike for the first repair, I could reach 100km/h.Even after my gear is repaired, it's hard to change into netural.(had to stop the engine at gear 1 and switch to netural). The vibration of the bike is super strong even at gear one.when it's idling, the engine sounds rougher then other bikes.

 

Problem no 2 is Speedometer, if the engine stalls and i electric start straight away,there will be no light though headlight is on.I had to switch the keys off and on and start the bike again before there is light. and there is twi indicators that keep flashing. after doing some research, they start for air element choked and high engine temperature.

 

In addition to that now my fuel consumption is 26km/l which is quite low. I went back to Southern but the uncle keep telling me that the bike is like that cos it's from India so the engine is super rough and etc and he can't do anything bout it.

 

Bros sorry for the trouble but i really need to find a reliable bike shop to rectify the probs...and roughly how much will the repair cost?any lobang?

[ORen]

@arthur_chan: you definitely have the right or way, no doubt about it. There is no need for a witness. All junctions in SG operate the same way. If he was green, and you were green, it can only mean 1 thing: his side had to wait for clear oncoming traffic to turn into the junction. So either he didn't wait, or or he went on red light. And there must have been no arrow on his side, otherwise one of you two would have to beat the red light for this to happen.

 

Something I don't get : If you horned, and twice, means you saw him. How fast were you going through the junction ? When did you see him ? Was he stopped at the yellow box to turn in, or did he come straight from in front and directly turned into the junction without slowing down ?

If there's no damage, likely hood is you were going slow and he was going slow too, otherwise like @Fredd said you would have flew all over the place. The other thing that helped here is that you were in the extreme left lane. Means even if he says he didn't see you, you had time to brake and slow down because you had the best possible view of incoming vehicles into the junction.

 

For everyone this is yet another reminder that junction are the most dangerous for us riders. I keep seeing bikes zoomming past junctions, sure of their right of way. Right of way will only be useful if you're not injured.. Always assume some idiot is going to want to beat his light or, most of the time, is not going to see you. If they see you, they are really bad at evaluating your speed or distance between you and them. And they always think "I can turn before the bike gets here and even if I can't, they will slow down and let me through". I've seen it so many times...

 

Good luck Arthur with your paperwork and hope this is resolved soon. Glad nothing happened to you.

[ORen]

@nas_1986 and @shixiongsg, Pulsar prices do drop quite a lot when second hand. But then again, if the bike is in excellent condition, it can have a price of 3.5-4.5k . Now that doesn't mean Nas that the bike you saw had a problem. Sometimes people either don;t know the market value of the bike, or just want to sell it without loosing too much. When I first looked out for a Pulsar, I saw an ad for a brand new P200, less than 5k mileage, for 3.2k. At the time I didn't have my licence yet, and the bike was snatched by someone in 2 days.

It is the bike's health and status that will tell you if the price is justified. So for both your cases, there is no way around understanding and knowing as precisely as possible, exactly what is the condition of the bike.

 

Shi, your bike is 2.5y old, what's the mileage ?

 

For the speedo light, here's what's up with the P200, and this happens to all P200, even brand new ones: when you turn on the ignition (without starting the engine), the dashboard light will turn on then will turn off after a few seconds. Your neutral gear light will still be on.

Then, when you actually start the bike with the electric start, the dashboard will light up again and stay like that. BUT, if you then kill the bike with the switch (ignition kill switch on the right hand side handle) or you stall, or anything that turn the engine off, then your dashboard light will turn off and will not turn on again unless you OFF the ignition (turn the key to the left, OFF position) and turn the ignition ON again. Then only you get the dashboard light again.

It's how the bike is made, and that's its "normal" behavior. This has nothing to do with air and whatever. See for yourself, go to UM, ask them to let you turn on a brand new P200 parked there and experience it. What do you mean by "twi indicators" ?

 

For your fuel consumption, that is definitely too low, are you sure you measure it correctly ? Also, what is your riding style ? If the bike has an engine or sprocket problem (which by your feedback, it must have, because no P200 will hit 9k RPM at 95 km/h..), it might cause an over consumption of fuel. I assume you haven't noticed any leaks or any suspicious puddles of oil/fuel below the bike when you park it ?

 

Obviously, I'm not gonna spend too much time on the uncle at your shop and his comment: you can just tell him next time you see him that before talking out of his butt, he should actually KNOW what he's talking about before speaking.Anyway, like I said, go to UM and that will be the best thing you've done for your bike since you had it. They will immediately tell you if the bike has any engine issues and where it can come from. They will also make sure they understand why the high rpm and why the neutral gear is so hard to get. (Just so you know, sometimes people complain about the neutral gear even on brand new P200. I haven't had any problem with mine and I suspect the gear shifting is a question of how hard/smooth your shifting is. But in your case if you struggle so much to shift to neutral gear, it might be that the lever or the gears need to be checked).

 

As for the price you paid, please don't worry. Now that you paid for it, you won;t enjoy the bike if you think you've paid too much. Get the bike to the shop at UM, have it checked and maybe pay for some repairs. But after that, you'll gt to finally really enjoy an awesome bike. There's no way any of us can tell you how much it will cost because we don;t know what UM will find out. And I'm not going to give you big or small figures, it will only make you worry for nothing. Just get the bike to them And also, join us in our meetings. You'll be able to have a closer at other Pulsars and here other thought on the bike.

 

@nas_1986, see from Shi's experience here, you can see why we say try the bike and get it checked by UM before buying.

Edited April 11, 2011 by O'Ren

[speedaddict]

k here's the rundown...

I had been riding the bike since 1st Mar 2011.

I do not know the ex-owner as I got it directly from the shop.Well the plate no is FBC9023K and it's original registration date was 07/08/08. I bought it at downpayment of 1500 plus my insurance of 578 and includ interest total is 3660.(had a feeling kenna chopped)

 

During the first two weeks when I got the bike, there were problems with the gear. Southern helped me to change the gears plates as they said the teeths inside is broken. However after changing when i go on CTE, my bike could only reach 95 at most and my rpm is at 9 (nearly the red zone) making it super noisy.Before i sent my bike for the first repair, I could reach 100km/h.Even after my gear is repaired, it's hard to change into netural.(had to stop the engine at gear 1 and switch to netural). The vibration of the bike is super strong even at gear one.when it's idling, the engine sounds rougher then other bikes.

 

Problem no 2 is Speedometer, if the engine stalls and i electric start straight away,there will be no light though headlight is on.I had to switch the keys off and on and start the bike again before there is light. and there is twi indicators that keep flashing. after doing some research, they start for air element choked and high engine temperature.

 

In addition to that now my fuel consumption is 26km/l which is quite low. I went back to Southern but the uncle keep telling me that the bike is like that cos it's from India so the engine is super rough and etc and he can't do anything bout it.

 

Bros sorry for the trouble but i really need to find a reliable bike shop to rectify the probs...and roughly how much will the repair cost?any lobang?

 

there's no point in sending pulsars to anywhere else except UM, cause their mechanics are trained specially from India. They have been working on pulsars for years..

[m0bIlEnErD]

Good morning everyone. Over one night and it went from 600 to 602 pages? Wow.

[ORen]

Good evening to one and all of SBT,

 

I am in dilemma and skeptical of a Pulsar 200 2008 model and was quoted 2.8k machine price from one of the shops here. Reason because i surveyed around and a 2009 model cost 4.2k.Didn't get to start the engine as didn't cross my mind a that moment, thinking of the "cheap" and best deal of the bike. I need some good advise whether the price is too good to be true as I suspect that something is a miss. Could anyone enlighten this soul here?

 

BTW, a 2009 model does not cost 4.2k.

There's basically for Pulsars two prices: the brand new bike price, which includes COE so can get quite high and the second hand price where you save up money because COE is partially paid.

Now for second hand pulsars, their price drops fast. I bought my bike last year, brand new, at roughly 6.5k with COE. If I were to sell it today, a year after, with 7k mileage which is extremely low, and given that its condition is practically brand new and I take care of it a lot, then probably the best price I can get now is 4.5k. Maybe 4.8k Again, the bike has a very low mileage.

 

So you see, there is no way a 2009 bike will cost 4.2k - and without its mileage its hard anyway to say what the bike's condition is.

Usually after the first year, the bike price for P200 drops below 4k. Good condition bike will probably cost around 3.5-3.8k, 0-2y. Below 3k is a good condition bike, not too old so 2-3y, well maintained.

Below 2k is an older bike, probably 4y+, might have parts to be changed depending on the use it was made of it.

 

This is just a rough idea, based on what we've seen the past few years. Always remember, it is the bike's condition that fixes its price, not just the market. So to me a bike that's 2.5y old should be slightly below 3k which is the price you were quoted. Now you have to try the bike, test it on expressway, get it examined by UM and then you'll be able to decide if the price is right

[revhappy]

k here's the rundown...

I had been riding the bike since 1st Mar 2011.

I do not know the ex-owner as I got it directly from the shop.Well the plate no is FBC9023K and it's original registration date was 07/08/08. I bought it at downpayment of 1500 plus my insurance of 578 and includ interest total is 3660.(had a feeling kenna chopped)

 

During the first two weeks when I got the bike, there were problems with the gear. Southern helped me to change the gears plates as they said the teeths inside is broken. However after changing when i go on CTE, my bike could only reach 95 at most and my rpm is at 9 (nearly the red zone) making it super noisy.Before i sent my bike for the first repair, I could reach 100km/h.Even after my gear is repaired, it's hard to change into netural.(had to stop the engine at gear 1 and switch to netural). The vibration of the bike is super strong even at gear one.when it's idling, the engine sounds rougher then other bikes.

 

Problem no 2 is Speedometer, if the engine stalls and i electric start straight away,there will be no light though headlight is on.I had to switch the keys off and on and start the bike again before there is light. and there is twi indicators that keep flashing. after doing some research, they start for air element choked and high engine temperature.

 

In addition to that now my fuel consumption is 26km/l which is quite low. I went back to Southern but the uncle keep telling me that the bike is like that cos it's from India so the engine is super rough and etc and he can't do anything bout it.

 

Bros sorry for the trouble but i really need to find a reliable bike shop to rectify the probs...and roughly how much will the repair cost?any lobang?

 

Bro, Southern has screwed up your bike's gearing ratio. 95 kms/hr at 9K RPM is not the stock setting. Either they have change the sprockets to wrong size or the wrong gears. Better take it UM and get it rectified. FC of 26km/ltr is horrible . Thats another symptom that something gone horribly wrong.

 

Only UM can fix your bike and they are your only hope.

[revhappy]

Double barrel

[haktek]

drill is there, confusion when it happen, got some passerby say wana be my witness, but didn't get contact, cos was pull here n there.

 

anyway i can believe i met a blind & deaf old doctor driver, 3 horns r not enough to wake him up, technically the whole street can hear me, n he still dare to say i should give way. my poor zorro.

 

tomorrow is another busy day for me, running here n there again, hope can settle all the things, else .... :sigh:

 

he is one old man dont want to die... haiz.... he still have the cheek to say u should give way... i guess he need to go for refresher course.... since when can he turn in like that and say u should give way crazy...

[alvinyansg]

k here's the rundown...

I had been riding the bike since 1st Mar 2011.

I do not know the ex-owner as I got it directly from the shop.Well the plate no is FBC9023K and it's original registration date was 07/08/08. I bought it at downpayment of 1500 plus my insurance of 578 and includ interest total is 3660.(had a feeling kenna chopped)

 

During the first two weeks when I got the bike, there were problems with the gear. Southern helped me to change the gears plates as they said the teeths inside is broken. However after changing when i go on CTE, my bike could only reach 95 at most and my rpm is at 9 (nearly the red zone) making it super noisy.Before i sent my bike for the first repair, I could reach 100km/h.Even after my gear is repaired, it's hard to change into netural.(had to stop the engine at gear 1 and switch to netural). The vibration of the bike is super strong even at gear one.when it's idling, the engine sounds rougher then other bikes.

 

Problem no 2 is Speedometer, if the engine stalls and i electric start straight away,there will be no light though headlight is on.I had to switch the keys off and on and start the bike again before there is light. and there is twi indicators that keep flashing. after doing some research, they start for air element choked and high engine temperature.

 

In addition to that now my fuel consumption is 26km/l which is quite low. I went back to Southern but the uncle keep telling me that the bike is like that cos it's from India so the engine is super rough and etc and he can't do anything bout it.

 

Bros sorry for the trouble but i really need to find a reliable bike shop to rectify the probs...and roughly how much will the repair cost?any lobang?

 

for the speedo light,it is wired to your pilot lights...

if your engine stall,you restart you will notice that your pilot lights will not be on hence speedo light not on...

for your rough engine there might be a few issues...

- check your EO level 1st...might be low hence not enough lubrication...P200 need 1.2L...

- any idea what is your sprocket size?how is your pick up like?super a lot of torque?

 

for the indicators,open up your air filter to check...see what is the colour of the sponge?

another thing is might be your sensors are blocked...

for your high fc can be a lot of things...

riding style,hard braking,engine not well maintain,tires worn out etc..

also can be because of how you calculate the FC...

for bike shop wise just head down to UM and they will do an assessment...

and advise and do the repairs...

don't worry,they are a honest shop...

even if you head to other shops they will still approach UM for the spares...

Edited April 12, 2011 by alvinyansg

[SC Gaban]

#30004: sis Oren: my Rjay riding boot is not waterproof. once rode in d rain for 80 mins at ns highway. stopped at pagoh. i took out my boots and pour the water out. its like pouring a jug. luckily, theres no fishes inside my boot. hawhawhaw!

 

#30007: uncle mj: yesss d power of love..makes u wana go dat far almost every week to meet that special someone hehe....

 

#30009: fredd: once u reach seremban RSA. the lampost are avaialable all the way to KL. it even stretches until Rawang RSA.

 

#30012: glzco: shh... dun say dat out loud. brandon luvs everyone. but dun luv us too much.

 

#30016: fycyber: internal affairs mah. hawhawhhaw!

 

#30020: nas_1986: dun even think twice. just pay d freaking seller, start d engine n ride, ride, RIDEEE!!!! ride until ders no return!!!

 

#30035: "leycheh"? or lychee?? lychie??

 

#30052: SHyngxgx: go UM. ask them wat size ur front n rear spoket size. change to fully syn mobil 1 eo. do some breaking in. trial n error.

[SC Gaban]

lululululu lalalalal lulululu.....

[SC Gaban]

[arthur_chan]

@arthur_chan: you definitely have the right or way, no doubt about it. There is no need for a witness. All junctions in SG operate the same way. If he was green, and you were green, it can only mean 1 thing: his side had to wait for clear oncoming traffic to turn into the junction. So either he didn't wait, or or he went on red light. And there must have been no arrow on his side, otherwise one of you two would have to beat the red light for this to happen.

 

Something I don't get : If you horned, and twice, means you saw him. How fast were you going through the junction ? When did you see him ? Was he stopped at the yellow box to turn in, or did he come straight from in front and directly turned into the junction without slowing down ?

If there's no damage, likely hood is you were going slow and he was going slow too, otherwise like @Fredd said you would have flew all over the place. The other thing that helped here is that you were in the extreme left lane. Means even if he says he didn't see you, you had time to brake and slow down because you had the best possible view of incoming vehicles into the junction.

 

For everyone this is yet another reminder that junction are the most dangerous for us riders. I keep seeing bikes zoomming past junctions, sure of their right of way. Right of way will only be useful if you're not injured.. Always assume some idiot is going to want to beat his light or, most of the time, is not going to see you. If they see you, they are really bad at evaluating your speed or distance between you and them. And they always think "I can turn before the bike gets here and even if I can't, they will slow down and let me through". I've seen it so many times...

 

Good luck Arthur with your paperwork and hope this is resolved soon. Glad nothing happened to you.

 

i horn only once, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bam...

i saw him from far, so i slowed then see him moving, horned, still moving, jam brake, prep for impact. confirm i'm not speeding, cos i stopped under a bridge to put on my rain coat. how fast do u think i can go in 5-10m? he's not fast either, no like "fast & furious" those kind of turnings, howerver he didnt stop, not 1 bit. execute the turn like i was invisible.

 

2 things i dont get, how come my bike ended up that way. why i didnt break a leg like fredd. it was a direct full front to side hit. i suspect my crash bar help create a gap n it was direct. if i was faster by a tiny bit, it could be my legs that was crushed. n i did fly like fred. n it helped there wasn't other vehicles, only 2 of us in that instance. guess lady luck was smiling on me.

 

thinking back, i could have avoid by speeding up. but my expectation when i horned is he would take some action, how would i know that guy is deaf.

[arthur_chan]

for rough clutch problem, dont use cheap EO, get some hi-grade semi-syn or full-syn EO, perhaps put in some engine addictives.

[Fredd]

i horn only once, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bam...

i saw him from far, so i slowed then see him moving, horned, still moving, jam brake, prep for impact. confirm i'm not speeding, cos i stopped under a bridge to put on my rain coat. how fast do u think i can go in 5-10m? he's not fast either, no like "fast & furious" those kind of turnings, howerver he didnt stop, not 1 bit. execute the turn like i was invisible.

 

2 things i dont get, how come my bike ended up that way. why i didnt break a leg like fredd. it was a direct full front to side hit. i suspect my crash bar help create a gap n it was direct. if i was faster by a tiny bit, it could be my legs that was crushed. n i did fly like fred. n it helped there wasn't other vehicles, only 2 of us in that instance. guess lady luck was smiling on me.

 

thinking back, i could have avoid by speeding up. but my expectation when i horned is he would take some action, how would i know that guy is deaf.

 

Dat tyme durin my accident..i was ridin s4..i did e exact same ting as u did..horn n flashed like hell coz e taxi alrdy inched out of his pocket coverin my side e 1st lane..u cannot say dey r deaf coz u may not know whether dey can hear u from e oppo side coz..dey may be listenin to loud music..sum1 blabberin at dem hence ignorin ur horns.alot of possibility..in my case i tink my right leg got trapped btwn e car n my bike b4 i flew..dats y i dislocated my right light leg causin it to fracture my hip..took me 3-5mths to walk again..imagine dat..worse thing is i had no witnesses n e taxi apparently had a witness..i was fined 2.8k n suspended from drivin all classes..n e light was also in my favour..so imagine my anger..go to mp see lawyer all dey say no point fightin since i gt no witness so its hard for me to win n will be wastin my money n may be slapped wif a heavier fine. So if u got e witnesses to back u up..go get a lawyer to settle..NEVER trust e tp IO..never! Dey juz wana clear ur case asap due to kpi. If u dun have e money..der r sum companies i noe whom are willin to pay e lawyer for u 1st..den dey will juz get a cut out of e money u receive from insurance.

 

But of coz its up to u hw u wana settle this..i am juz speakin out of experience

[speedaddict]

hope u are ok arthur..

 

btw when going for inspection, do I need to bring the letter posted? I've misplaced the letter...

[m0bIlEnErD]

hope u are ok arthur..

 

btw when going for inspection, do I need to bring the letter posted? I've misplaced the letter...

 

no need letter. just give them your license plate number.