Discuss: "Don't they ever learn?"

[arthur_chan]

mabbe its time we all wear race suit with neck protector the next time we hit the road. But does that prevent accident or drivers from hitting us when we wait for the red light to turn green in a junction? Or does it prevent Sim Ming Editor from hitting us while she is busy smsing or calling on her phone?

 

Yes the accident rates and death rate of riders are high. Of cos its high stupid dumbarse statistic. But that doesnt mean its always riders mistake. Even if i ride proper gear and proper street traffic rules, i still get hit by MF from behind with drivers playing with their iphones whatapps. or some ladies wearing their lipstick droping something. or fast and furious wannabes.

 

safety is a thin line btw life or death/disabled. by gearing up u will spend lesser on hospital bill and pain n sufferings. (unless u have to much money n enjoy pain, i've nothing to say)

 

accidents is caused by drivers/riders (including yourself)'s careless or reckless on the road.

 

this thread is about safety, not accident rates, 2 different topic although they relate to each other.

 

although i agree no matter what u wear, accident might happen, however think of what might happen if u gear up; 30 days mc/outpatient or 30 days ICU.

[crazydj]

when has it come to a point a decent armoured jacket is more expensive than a bike? a decent one cost only $100+ (not asking u to get a full leather which cost thousands), a bike cost a few thousands. very ironic u can get a bike but not afford min protection.

 

You never know. Sometimes that bike is the father's bike. Or relatives bike. And the family need the extra income for daily household necessities like food and shelter. Not everyone who rides a bike owns that particular bike. Priorities.

[haoKR]

Fully gear does not prevent accident but it helps to minimize your damage to the lowest

 

"LIKE"

 

aiya,but still ppl sae only la

[haoKR]

safety is a thin line btw life or death/disabled. by gearing up u will spend lesser on hospital bill and pain n sufferings. (unless u have to much money n enjoy pain, i've nothing to say)

 

accidents is caused by drivers/riders (including yourself)'s careless or reckless on the road.

 

this thread is about safety, not accident rates, 2 different topic although they relate to each other.

 

although i agree no matter what u wear, accident might happen, however think of what might happen if u gear up; 30 days mc/outpatient or 30 days ICU.

 

 

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[bernardk]

safety is a thin line btw life or death/disabled. by gearing up u will spend lesser on hospital bill and pain n sufferings. (unless u have to much money n enjoy pain, i've nothing to say)

 

accidents is caused by drivers/riders (including yourself)'s careless or reckless on the road.

 

this thread is about safety, not accident rates, 2 different topic although they relate to each other.

 

although i agree no matter what u wear, accident might happen, however think of what might happen if u gear up; 30 days mc/outpatient or 30 days ICU.

 

Dun worry abt me. Nevertheless thank you for reminding me. But i do gear up every single day. I dun want to take any chance on the road with these users. But dont you think they should also spare a thot for wat is happening nowadays?

 

Where is the advert where asking drivers to WATCH FOR US instead? So many advert in euro asking for drivers to "THINK" (the advert title) If we are following EURO standard then WHERE is the standard? SHOW me ONE advert and flash it in TV like the ones in Euro then i will say that its a FAIR road for everyone.

[antartica]

I am a safety trainer and one thing I always tell my trainees is that they should never think that PPE - Personal Protective Equipment - makes the, invincible.

 

Its their awareness and training that keeps then safe.

 

If some one runs into them with a fork lift, their hard hat, glasses, coveralls and boots may not keep them uninjured. But will help mitigate their hurt.

 

Same thing with ATTGATT / MOTTATT, it won't keep u from hurt but will help reduce it.

 

Forget about errant drivers or riders or electric bicycles. A friend of mine got paralysed from the chest down at the track even with a full suit! But he was on a track and was doing 150km/h + and his 999 flipped and slammed into his chest.

 

We're talking about regular road transit where we won't do much more than 100km/h on Sg roads.

 

Will a good riding jacket, ff, gloves, pants/jeans, boots/shoes keep you from injury 100%

Probably not, but will it keep you from being walking bak kwa? Probably yes...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/antartica/Whoneedsridinggear.jpg

[bernardk]

http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/547148/thumbnail/speeding_car_mounts_kerb_and_lands_upside_down_at_dover_rd_field-thumbnail.jpg

http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/motoring_goondus/547148/speeding_car_mounts_kerb_and_lands_upside_down_at_dover_rd_field.html

 

With this kind of accidents and road users, dun say safety gear. space suit also no use.

Riders will have gears. wat abt normal commuters taking bus?

 

mabbe lets see how the drivers drive nowadays. http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/313990-Caught-Red-Handed-Shame-Thread-For-Those-Who-Hold-Bikers-Lives-With-Contempt

Edited February 2, 2011 by bernardk

[tionghan]

maybe they should have a "1.5m from motorcycle " !

[jims]

maybe they should have a "1.5m from motorcycle " !

 

ya man. totally agree.

 

was riding back home just now then this driver changed lane into mine right at my rear wheel (as in the front bumper of the car is at my rear wheel). luckily I saw that in time and managed to speed up slightly or something might had happened to me.

[Flo_rider]

It takes two hands to clap as they always say...

 

Mostly accidents happen when both parties are at fault.

 

But if a hazard is approaching you and you're slow to react towards it, there's no guarantee if your gear will save you..

 

Wearing protective gear is to minimize injuries which indirectly leads to money, treat it as an investment.

[kuwaiyert]

i think the report is biased..!!! yes they do remind us for gearing up.. but its unfair on the report is pin-point the riders only.. as though riders are at fault... disregard of any race or nationality, both riders and drivers should adopt a good driving/riding attitude on the road.. sadly only some of us did that...

 

my POV is nowadays we ROAD USERS (disregard of any race or nationality) are lacking of road manners & courtesy... just observe...

[bernardk]

i think the report is biased..!!! yes they do remind us for gearing up.. but its unfair on the report is pin-point the riders only.. as though riders are at fault... disregard of any race or nationality, both riders and drivers should adopt a good driving/riding attitude on the road.. sadly only some of us did that...

 

my POV is nowadays we ROAD USERS (disregard of any race or nationality) are lacking of road manners & courtesy... just observe...

 

yea and another point to note. not even riders and drivers. Cyclist and pedestrain as well.

[bernardk]

http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/532720/thumbnail/it_may_be_raining_but_void_deck_is_not_passenger_dropoff_point-thumbnail.jpg

driving INTO the void deck???

 

http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/524708/thumbnail/ferrari_driver_thinks_he_can_jump_queue_in_cte_tunnel_jam-thumbnail.jpg

or in a rush for time?

 

http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/489998/data/wrongdir1-data.jpg

or trying to drive in States than in SG?

Edited February 2, 2011 by bernardk

[bernardk]

safety is a thin line btw life or death/disabled. by gearing up u will spend lesser on hospital bill and pain n sufferings. (unless u have to much money n enjoy pain, i've nothing to say)

 

accidents is caused by drivers/riders (including yourself)'s careless or reckless on the road.

 

this thread is about safety, not accident rates, 2 different topic although they relate to each other.

 

although i agree no matter what u wear, accident might happen, however think of what might happen if u gear up; 30 days mc/outpatient or 30 days ICU.

 

"LIKE"

 

aiya,but still ppl sae only la

 

 

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Read the Article carefully. it says "Road Safety expert say a naive attitude, reckless driving and wearing the wrong gear can lead to DEATH..." I repeat DEATH it doesnt matter if its 30days MC or 30days ICU.

 

yes its a good and healthy article. positive for riders to adopt such practise. but please TEACH THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE FIRST.

[JackOHJack]

aiyah, the motorcyclist not informed he's being photographed, arh boh can go home change first. take picture must nice nice ma..

 

if we are unhappy abt the article, we can try to encourage our circle of bikers to wear all/ most/ some gears, at least can increase the probablity next time they take the picture will look more cool.

[andrei]

Where is the advert where asking drivers to WATCH FOR US instead? So many advert in euro asking for drivers to "THINK" (the advert title) If we are following EURO standard then WHERE is the standard? SHOW me ONE advert and flash it in TV like the ones in Euro then i will say that its a FAIR road for everyone.

 

I recently found a European study on motorcycle accidents, called MAIDS study. And now I totally understand why in Europe they target drivers in these ads. Just have a look on Chart B in the pdf below

http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/MAIDS_LEAFLET.pdf

[bernardk]

I recently found a European study on motorcycle accidents, called MAIDS study. And now I totally understand why in Europe they target drivers in these ads. Just have a look on Chart B in the pdf below

http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/MAIDS_LEAFLET.pdf

 

Nice finding. Heck they even have a MAIDS in euro. Wat do we have here in SG? If you fall due to evading an accident, consider RECKLESS RIDING and slap with 6 demerit with a fine.

 

Wat the hell have the rider have to get a 6 demerit and a fine when this f@rktard driver just swerve into his lane without even checking while talking on the bloody phone? tell me.

[tionghan]

agree.. they (Tp) should reflect on themselves about this ruling.. so if driver bang TP backside TP also gets demerit is it???

If you fall due to evading an accident, consider RECKLESS RIDING and slap with 6 demerit with a fine.

[tionghan]

agree.. they (Tp) should reflect on themselves about this ruling.. so if driver bang TP backside TP also gets demerit is it???

If you fall due to evading an accident, consider RECKLESS RIDING and slap with 6 demerit with a fine.

[kuwaiyert]

Read the Article carefully. it says "Road Safety expert say a naive attitude, reckless driving and wearing the wrong gear can lead to DEATH..." I repeat DEATH it doesnt matter if its 30days MC or 30days ICU.

 

yes its a good and healthy article. positive for riders to adopt such practise. but please TEACH THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE FIRST.

 

i guess more n more of our local drivers are getting "dumber" n ignorant... thats why the article on riders to gear up in case these drivers "BUMB" into riders.....

 

I recently found a European study on motorcycle accidents, called MAIDS study. And now I totally understand why in Europe they target drivers in these ads. Just have a look on Chart B in the pdf below

http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/MAIDS_LEAFLET.pdf

 

i saw a video on youtube where they ask drivers to look out for riders...

[bernardk]

i saw the ads on youtube where they ask drivers to look out for riders...

 

but we NEVER see that on SG. Its being broadcast in Euro as a safety campaign. SG should do that too.

 

Let see wat we have in SG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjJmW08RPg&NR=1

1) Aunty never use overhead bridge.

 

2) Rider accident. But this advert isnt it that the lorry suppose to stop at stop line before approach? So rider fault again? WTF?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8HaknyvNDI

3) Pedestrian asking for road user to look out. Does it mean that the pedestrian cross anyhow? so pedestrian fault? or does it mean pedestrian can anyhow cross and riders or drivers just have to look out? Anyway the sentence for road kill is not heavy.

 

4) Drink driving. So meaning to say if you are not drunk but you can drive like sh!t and not look out for riders or pedestrian?

Edited February 2, 2011 by bernardk

[bernardk]

But why done they discuss and look into driving behaviours like this ones?

[video=youtube;wZoxSWBe-XA]

 

or this one?

Some rider would have skided so meaning self skid? Or worst bang right into it. so rider RECKLESS RIDING? Wtf???

Edited February 2, 2011 by bernardk

[chaos7727]

hi im not being baised to the driver but nowadays drivers doesnt have respect or the existence of riders on the road,very sad to see or hear the mind set of people when theres an accident between a car n a motcycle the first things people will say (HAIYAH THIS GUY SURELY BEEN SPEEDING) same goes to law enforcer n government, everyone likes to blame the riders like us very sad n BULLSHIT TO THEM

[Constructicon]

No one is disputing the existence of idiots on the road, whether they are morons in cages or mentally challenged riders on bike w/o mirrors...etc

 

The issue at hand here is not why you fall, but when you fall.

A properly attired rider has a better chance of walking away with less serious injuries than 1 without.

 

As said earlier, everyone makes their own choice as to what to wear when they ride.

What often happens is that sudden e-brake to avoid a obstacle, that corner that hid a patch of sand/ oil, that white arrow on the wet road, often does not gives us riders a 2nd chance.

And when that happens, what comes into contact between us and the tarmac at >50km/hr is what you decide to wear that day.

 

I re-use the often repeated phrase from the Aliens Vs Predator Movie:

 

"Same principle as a condom. I'd rather have one and not need it, then need it and not have one."

 

Applies the same to proper riding gears.

 

Have a great day!

Cheers.

[CoStar]

Don't always feel that we are bullied. Sometimes we should look at ourselves first. Don't go riding wearing slippers. at least wear toe-covered shoes or even crocs for that matter. wear a t-shirt or better yet, your raincoat top..not singlets. wear long pants at least. so that when you do fall, you don't suffer. What if your toes get caught in the chain or hit the road without realizing? And last but not least. wear a proper helmet WITH a visor. i really don't get how some can ride without visor. When I ride, there is bound to be debris flying at your face when you ride behind a car or when a lorry pass by. IF u fall, your layer of shirt will save your from unsightly and definitely painful abrasions. Thats what saved me from the sufferin when i power slide on my body in an accident. The simple things like this may lead to an accident and pain that can be prevented.

Accidents can be prevented. Its all up to you. It does not depend on the driver or LTA or TP. you are the rider, you think for your safety. A friend once told me, I'm not scared about my driving or getting myself into accident. Its about other drivers who will get me involved into an accident. He's a driver..not a rider at all. But drivers then get abrasion or torn skin when they get into an accident.