I need of Public Opinion

[252525]

hey riders

 

I just want to put it out there to everyone something that I have been feeling very strongly about ever since I got my license last year.

 

After my 2B license and my first rider and also the following riders everyday, I generally feel that the riding schools are not doing enough to teach new riders out there about riding.

 

My concern is about road safety, bike safety and also the hazardous roads that we ride on. Eg, about lane spitting.

 

I also feel that the current riding lesson materials and such is outdated to the current riding world.

 

Therefore Im just putting out to see if you guys agree or not that the current riding school systems are not enough to send new riders out on the roads.

 

Maybe this may lead to a formal appeal to driving schools and maybe they will improve on their current curriculum.

 

Better learnt riders sent out are an advantage to both new riders and old riders, so tell me what you think

 

=]

[antartica]

my ans : NO

 

they teach a lot for technical handling but not really so for daily survival

i have learnt more on this forum and talking to people

 

go read (if you haven't already) the stickies thread in this section:

Bikes & Bytes - http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/9-Bikes-amp-Bytes

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/85788-STREET-SMART

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/194551-Hazard-Oriented-Vision-(HOV)-Safety-Ride-30-Aug

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/68364-Riding-Skills-Series-Slippery-When-Wet

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/74963-Common-Mistakes

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/75248-10-habits-of-good-Riding

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/208229-Motorcycle-Accident-Scene-Management

[Constructicon]

I agree with you this.

 

The are many things which can be improved.

We are talking about sending riders with zero riding experience to the roads with only bare technical competency, not real world riding skills.

 

There are some everyday things which they should be taught.

 

1. Lane splitting - Its a fact of life.

 

2. Road Hazard - What to look out for. White markings, arrows...etc

 

3. Road behavior -Driver behavior. Some of these we learn the hard way and through experience. Time to share.

 

4. Proper atttire - Not the usual half face + T-shirt sh*t many riders call a riding kit.

Well, if you ask me, the school is the best place to introduce new riders to proper riding attire.

The usual T-shirt and half face thing is a joke. I think we are missing out on a major potential to intro a new batch of riders to proper riding attire.

Perhaps there can be a tie-up with dealers for a full face + riding jacket deal for newbies.

 

Endless things we can do.

 

One of the saddest news article I ever across is this new Phantom rider who was killed on his very first day of riding on the roads.

 

Much can be done.

[Demon]

I also feel that the current riding lesson materials and such is outdated to the current riding world.

 

First, we have to accept that there is an element of artificiality in training. Not only in riding, even in flight simulators, military exercises ..etc

 

It is also not possible, and also not practical for the centres to prepare their trainees for all eventualities on the road.

 

I think newly qualified riders have sufficient knowledge, skill and confidence to ride on the road safely. Usually, many riders do not practice what has been taught once they get their licence, and that's when they get into trouble

[Dafanshu]

sch is dead one... go outside no one care about your life... so must be alert and careful

[crazydj]

TS. With all due respect, i cannot believe you are asking such a silly question. Since when does learning in school, doesnt matter what school, teaches you enough?

 

In life, experience is the best teacher. The school only teaches you a general guideline. How things are done in the outside world, you have to tweak and modify what you have learnt to suit different situations.

 

Eg: In school, they teach that rust eats away metal from the outside in. Must paint to prevent oxygen and moisture from reaching the exposed part. But they never teach exactly how to paint, different kinds of paint, painting techniques etc. You get the picture.

[Fried Rice]

sch just teach you the way as it should be, and not the way as it is.

[CSV]

yeah, i learnt more on the roads than i ever did in school.

 

the school just teaches you how to operate the bike and ride the bike on the roads. doesnt teach you how to SURVIVE on it.

 

in any case, the curriculum for both riders and drivers need to be revamp.

 

my suggestion was to have the class 3 drivers attend 1 lesson on motorbikes, have them be a pillion on a bike to let them know what it's like.

[tionghan]

my suggestion was to have the class 3 drivers attend 1 lesson on motorbikes, have them be a pillion on a bike to let them know what it's like.

 

sorry ah but seriously this won't work.. it takes 2 hands to clap.. when i was driving i was always commenting to myself "aiyo why this rider ride like that, so dangerous" whenever i riding i would comment to myself "bloody driver drive til like that " both riders and drivers needs to be educate on respecting the life and road usage to others. and a lot of times its really about experience on the actual road that taught you how to. when i was in ssdc ( i got my class 3 much longer before my 2B) seeing how learners judge the road is terrifying. it just takes a reckless one to kill another. and i would say those things i am being taught in school does helps. they can't teach you everything. Like i mentioned its about gaining experiences on the road itself. its like a jungle.. survive or die. you can't just blame the school when you got into a accident. and if you ask me.. i would advise new riders/drivers to just sit by the side of the road or overhead bridges (for better view) and observe how actual road is before actually being a part of it.

[jonnyboy]

well to be fair to riding schools without them i (and most of us probably) wouldn't acquire the basic skills and knowledge to live long enough to learn "real world riding skills"...

 

detecting road hazards, proper riding gear and to certain extent road behaviour, all these btt and rtt all cover already what. why blame riding school if the rider don't want to follow them?

 

want to get a feel of the road, when you're in a car, bus or friend pillion you, look around more la...

 

i feel the only thing lacking is lane-splitting training and more lessons on common MOTORIST (not only riders or drivers) behaviour. and after accident management. the Motorcycle Safety Foundation rider course in the US has "high" speed swerving as part of it's syllabus, seems like a good idea to add that too. maybe incude it after the e-brake?

 

that's about it i think, it's the most the riding schools can go short of actual personal road experience. the syllabus should be enough for everything else. how fast you want to corner?

[Jehuty]

They can't teach you to get the taxi or truck not to change lane without signal can't they? School teaches you the basic but they can't prepare you for all that happens outside, that's up to your experience. Different rider, different riding styles, different bikes.

 

SSDC has this highway familiarisation practical, one single file on the first lane but I do know for a fact its different from how I actually ride on the road and with a different bike.

[252525]

Hi All

 

Thank you so much for all your replies and your views. It is very interesting and gives a lot of insights to other matters when the question has been placed on the line. That being said I would like to stress that there is no right and wrong answer.

 

My main concern regarding this current curriculum in driving schools is not one about attaining experience on the wrong. It is a given that experience is something that cannot be taught.

 

My concern is that most of the things that I have learnt about riding are learnt through reading threads here and not in school which i paid for!. Things like accident management, basic bike maintenance and much much more are learnt here in this websites then in schools.

 

I just feel that being in Singapore and a country with a highly updated education system, we should be granted better education in driving schools and not just basic vehicle control skills.

[antartica]

I just feel that being in Singapore and a country with a highly updated education system, we should be granted better education in driving schools and not just basic vehicle control skills.

 

 

this last statement just [Ctrl-Z] everything else you said... you sure about that?

[252525]

Hey antartica

 

Im not too sure Im clear about what you are trying to say but yes, I do believe that our education system and curriculum are reviewed once in a while to keep up with the current global needs. At least to an extend the education system does a review more then the drivings schools.

 

Im just guessing here, dont get me wrong please I just want to know if there are others who feel like me. I mean when I was out on the roads for the first time there were many things that I had to learn the hard way that I feel like the drivings schools could at least touch on to give new riders like me a heads up.

 

My examples would be things like lane splitting, in this case the driving schools to encourage it but it is almost a necessity for bikers to do this out on the roads as being stuck in rush hour traffic can be very scary.

 

Another example would be the slowing down upon reaching a traffic light. Most of the time when I do this I neither get horned at or a vehicle would change lane suddenly to avoid me cause them to overtake me when they are very close to me.

 

I hope with that you would have a clear view of what I am trying to put across.

 

I feel the riding schools should add more to their curriculum.

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

they haven't include the lesson of making a proper vulgar sign without lossing control of the bike