[Discussion] TA 200 Fuel Consumption

[Funky]

then i rather just use the kill switch on the handlebar, the lurching caused by the engine stalling probably is not good for the chain.

 

i'm happy with my bike's fuel consumption. some tinkling her and there and it runs faster and better than most phantom.

 

Good idea! Must give the kill switch a try. Thanks!

[padfoot]

Yep, kill switch is a good idea.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Your engine will start very easily with a single crank after the kill, no damage will be done, unlike the rumors spread around last year regarding damage after an "emergency kill".

 

It's nonsense since the killswitch is electrical, and simply cuts the spark to the engine. This is not a steam engine

 

Killing engine during long stop will reduce your engine temperature giving you smoother running and faster acceleration afterwards. That is, if you monitor engine temp vs efficiency charts as though it were an aircraft/ship.

 

Running it idle for long periods of time causes overheating. Yes, its just a small engine.. but relies on airflow for cooling. It's stated in the Honda manual that long idling (above 1.5 minutes) is not recommended.

 

So use the killswitch as aforesaid. But remember to switch off your headlights too, to conserve battery power.

[Funky]

Tried the kill switch and it is gooooood.

 

So to recap.

 

How to cut fuel consumption and reduce your carbon emission by killing the engine while waiting for the traffic lights.

 

The steps:

 

1) After tapping down to first gear, press on kill engine switch.

2) Reset kill switch to normal.

 

Wait for traffic light to change.

 

3) Clutch in, press start button while at first gear to start engine.

 

And you are good to go.

 

Let's do our part for Mother Earth and save some monies along the way.

 

Cheers!

[Zhi Ming]

Dont kill if its only a short wait...i only kill the engine when the lights just turned red , meaning more then 20secs waiting time then i kill it.

[khtan]

Did air filter really affect the FC?

[naim]

Did air filter really affect the FC?

 

my experience, YES! i once forgot to change my air filter and wonder why my FC drop by at least 50km per full tank.. realised i didnt change it for like 6 months.. changed it and voila! back to usual!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Once upon a time I inspected a bike for poor FC issue and found it totally clogged up with dirt and leaves.

 

How did the leaves get in? It was so clogged up that I was surprised no plants were growing out of it.

 

I playfully showed Ah Chong (Planet Motors) the filter and he threw it across the shop LMAO.

 

With a new filter and kopitiam-engineering retuned carb the 30km/l bike instantly became 40km/l and was much more powerful. Considering this 40km/l was achieved at normal commuting speeds (110kph highway), this bike would be a prime candidate for hypermileing configuration (46km/l achievable if you're super disciplined).

 

Therefore cost for +10km/l fuel economy = $10+ and coffee for the kitten.

[Jestino]

Guys, may i know when you should change your air filter? and is K&N air filter good for your bike?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Stock air filter is of industrial grade paper (very good). K&N "hi flow" filter reduces the level of protection to the engine. K&Ns are claimed to increase horsepower but in the real world this is false - the only way to actually increase HP is to modify the intake design.

 

K&Ns are also advertised to "last the lifespan of the vehicle" but this comes at a rather alarming cost. You need to buy a filter servicing kit and it takes more than a day to clean, dry and re-oil a K&N. And remember it is only "hi flow" because the pores in the filter are much larger than that of the industrial filters used by the auto manufacturers. You need industrial grade paper to stop the most minute particles that do the most harm to the engine.

 

Therefore, save that $70 and stick to Honda paper filters. Even without maintenance they are good for more than 10-15,000kms which is very good for a $10-15 item.

 

Some K&N dealers (including some on this forum) claim that putting on their filter gives you +10% horsepower. I can get much more than that spurious claim by designing a low-restriction intake (cost price $0), improving exhaust flow (cost price $2) and properly tuning the carburettor (cost price $0). If you have access to an aerospace engineer with plastic cutting / molding tools then some things can be done to decrease air resistance as well ($0-50)

 

$0-$2 for actual, real world gains. $70 K&N is a waste of money for a low maintenance commuter bike. That's the price for one month of fuel and an oil change!

Edited June 19, 2011 by Pandora's Kitten :3

[Jestino]

Stock air filter is of industrial grade paper (very good). K&N "hi flow" filter reduces the level of protection to the engine. K&Ns are claimed to increase horsepower but in the real world this is false - the only way to actually increase HP is to modify the intake design.

 

K&Ns are also advertised to "last the lifespan of the vehicle" but this comes at a rather alarming cost. You need to buy a filter servicing kit and it takes more than a day to clean, dry and re-oil a K&N. And remember it is only "hi flow" because the pores in the filter are much larger than that of the industrial filters used by the auto manufacturers. You need industrial grade paper to stop the most minute particles that do the most harm to the engine.

 

Therefore, save that $70 and stick to Honda paper filters. Even without maintenance they are good for more than 10-15,000kms which is very good for a $10-15 item.

 

Some K&N dealers (including some on this forum) claim that putting on their filter gives you +10% horsepower. I can get much more than that spurious claim by designing a low-restriction intake (cost price $0), improving exhaust flow (cost price $2) and properly tuning the carburettor (cost price $0). If you have access to an aerospace engineer with plastic cutting / molding tools then some things can be done to decrease air resistance as well ($0-50)

 

$0-$2 for actual, real world gains. $70 K&N is a waste of money for a low maintenance commuter bike. That's the price for one month of fuel and an oil change!

 

 

Thank you for the great info!!

[khtan]

thank you all, for the info................................................!

[naim]

finally finished running-in after 1500km.. just filled up just now.. got 33lm/l on caltex 98.. great! considering i pillion almost everyday for the past week, have 3 boxes, a lot of full throttle starts, and constantly riding 100-120 on d highway.. NICE!!! loving this bike more and more! its better FC than b4 overhauling, whr i got ard 30km/l even wif gentle riding..

[revhappy]

Today 1st time I got to measure my Phantom's FC. It is 34.5 Km/Ltr and I fill RON 92 Esso. Compared to my previous bike, Pulsar 180 which used to give 45 Km/ltr its bad. But then the feel of a phantom is different so I guess its worth the reduced Fuel Efficiency.

[Hydher]

Try using esso 95 without being throttle happy.

Fc is good.

my 2 cents

[Bphomet]

pump esso 5000

before change air filer 36km/l

after change air filter 39km/l

[susu]

how u guys manage to at fc 40km/l? done carb tuning?

my bike able to get the highest 36km/l running on semi-sync and shell v-power last time.

[Maka]

Stock air filter is of industrial grade paper (very good). K&N "hi flow" filter reduces the level of protection to the engine. K&Ns are claimed to increase horsepower but in the real world this is false - the only way to actually increase HP is to modify the intake design.

 

K&Ns are also advertised to "last the lifespan of the vehicle" but this comes at a rather alarming cost. You need to buy a filter servicing kit and it takes more than a day to clean, dry and re-oil a K&N. And remember it is only "hi flow" because the pores in the filter are much larger than that of the industrial filters used by the auto manufacturers. You need industrial grade paper to stop the most minute particles that do the most harm to the engine.

 

Therefore, save that $70 and stick to Honda paper filters. Even without maintenance they are good for more than 10-15,000kms which is very good for a $10-15 item.

 

Some K&N dealers (including some on this forum) claim that putting on their filter gives you +10% horsepower. I can get much more than that spurious claim by designing a low-restriction intake (cost price $0), improving exhaust flow (cost price $2) and properly tuning the carburettor (cost price $0). If you have access to an aerospace engineer with plastic cutting / molding tools then some things can be done to decrease air resistance as well ($0-50)

 

$0-$2 for actual, real world gains. $70 K&N is a waste of money for a low maintenance commuter bike. That's the price for one month of fuel and an oil change!

 

 

have u guys seen pandora's "KNN" filter?

[Tanarthur]

how u guys manage to at fc 40km/l? done carb tuning?

my bike able to get the highest 36km/l running on semi-sync and shell v-power last time.

Try a lower grade petrol like 95. Will last you longer. Vpower are petrol of purer mix, thus will burn faster.

[osxunix]

Try a lower grade petrol like 95. Will last you longer. Vpower are petrol of purer mix, thus will burn faster.

 

Agree!

V Power= No Power RON 98= Better than Vpower RON 95= SUPER!

[osxunix]

The weight of rider also an important part on FC we like to miss out

 

Save on fuel but input on more food on stomach

[naim]

The weight of rider also an important part on FC we like to miss out

 

Save on fuel but input on more food on stomach

 

GUILTY! hahaha! weight going up, and so is FC.. LOL! sad but true...

 

got 33km/l on Vpower... now on Caltex 92.. first tym trying 92 in my almost 2 years running the phantom...

 

almost no difference lei!!! hahaha! if hv also, feels slight roughness but nt dat notiecable. hope the mileage will be better lar.

[jtzx]

Been using 92 petrol and i'm getting like 38km/L for a 9year old Phantom not bad!!!!

[osxunix]

GUILTY! hahaha! weight going up, and so is FC.. LOL! sad but true...

 

got 33km/l on Vpower... now on Caltex 92.. first tym trying 92 in my almost 2 years running the phantom...

 

almost no difference lei!!! hahaha! if hv also, feels slight roughness but nt dat notiecable. hope the mileage will be better lar.

 

I have bad expenience with VPOWER and 98 I use 95

Had done exhaust heat wrap today never gain anything but it cooler on engine side.

Maybe self weight loss also important.

 

[naim]

Yup dun find anyting special wif vpower except that i use it once in awhile to "cleanse" d fuel system. Usually run on 95 as well. Hope to stick to 92 if d mileage is good. Cux its running smoothly so far.