[Discussion] TA 200 Fuel Consumption

[thechosenx]

I realise on very cold/rainny weather my phantom isn't as powerful as on warm or hot days anyone can explain?

My avg FC is 34km/L. But taken out box now avg 38km/L with aftermarket air filter.

 

Well Mark for ta150 it has a SP engine and a SP carb. So for 27km/L is quite good? Afterall phantom's body is much heavier then SP.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

That's interesting. Mine is optimised for cold weather and I get like (estimated backside dyno) 5% efficiency gain in the cold or even better when wet cos automatic water injection Whack all the way and won't heat up. I will purposely find a car kicking up a huge spray and ride in that spray for even better cooling (I have windshield nya :3)

 

Yours runs well on warm days and not so well on cold days - it could be the fuel mixture getting richer when cold. Denser air charge - possible over-rich condition, which reduces peak output. In compensation you can whack the thing (carbureted engines become lean under wide open throttle conditions) or try turning the screw 1/4 lean to experiment at midnight :3

[thechosenx]

Hmm yeah I agree on the throttle one. I have to turn up maybe almost half I can feel the power. I think I've reached the rmp for the power to kick in?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Or you are indeed running too rich which gives you "spongy" throttle response. Need to whack with big stick then elephant move.

 

Mine is the complete opposite - lots of torque at low revs and throttle, like a cruiser. Can engage clutch at 1000rpm and won't stall, can move off. Will eventually want to change the ratios of the stock gearbox

[Markopolo]

27km/l on a 2stroke is decent! See if it can reach 30 with smaller rear sprocket and careful riding!

 

2T consumption - depends on engine design and 2T flow rate. TA150 owners should be able to tell you their average 2T usage.

 

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I'm trying to get my FC up to 50km/l and beyond with some super careful clutch control and coasting downhill to gain/conserve momentum.

 

Last week's 47km/l was pretty much full throttle time attack with the gents from TPY and nearby. Yes, I was on max. torque all the way

 

Haha increasing 3km/L is damn hard... Changing to smaller rear socket. cost how much.. is it worth it for that small improvement in mileage haha

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Do at planet together with new chain. Big difference :3 (40 to 47-50++ on my Phantom, 25 to 37 on Y125Z)

 

Allows you to cruise faster at lower rpm at the cost of some low end pickup. No penalty on my pickup because optimised for full torque at low RPM. Audi/Volkswagen style!

[Markopolo]

Do at planet together with new chain. Big difference :3 (40 to 47-50++ on my Phantom, 25 to 37 on Y125Z)

 

Allows you to cruise faster at lower rpm at the cost of some low end pickup. No penalty on my pickup because optimised for full torque at low RPM. Audi/Volkswagen style!

 

wooo Whats the price.. lols..

[bearryuji]

Pandora's Kitten :3

 

Can teach me how to tune Silent Running Capability w/FC of 47-50km/l? My phantom 200 always 29km/l.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Can

 

- stage 1 - put cute things on bike. can be penguin sticker, pillow, cat, flower - so you always know to ride carefully

 

2: ensure good mechanical condition. Make sure the chain is properly lubricated, the tyres aren't flat, and the rear brake isn't bogging the bike down with a jammed piston. To test, you should be able to clutch in and coast a very, very long distance with a slight downhill road

 

3: kopitiam engineering. Because stock is there to be improved on, and you can gain power and efficiency by drilling holes in your bike.. if you dare! :3 More power/torque = more power reserve = ride at 5-10% throttle = Phantom PGM FI

[bearryuji]

Drill hole??? do u mean drill hole to the air filter to increase the air intake.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Retain the stock filter (no need K&N, there are other ways to increase intake flow/decrease restriction) and do some stuff to the air intake path.

 

Aftermarket filters don't improve power, intake design improvements do.

 

This is a rather 'hairy' improvement as I believe I'm the only one who got significant benefits out of it (and other mods) so I'll know where and what to use the drill on.

 

Suffice to say - to break records, you gotta go against the trend and set your own rules. Screw the critics, it's my bike and it works better

Edited September 9, 2010 by Pandora's Kitten :3

[naim]

wow! jux did a fill up and gosh! my hard riding over the week has made my FC from 33 avg to 27! urgh! but i admit most of d tym i whack like 100-110km/h one..

 

bro kalyan.. im intending to change my sprocket size.. wats d recommended sizes? cux im like 85kg.. and pillion quite frequently.. afraid nt enuf torque later for quick traffic light bursts..

 

if u can, PM me sum tips on things like tuning the carb? cux i read sumwhr u had silent running even when u whack hard.. rly want to hv this too bro.. and my idling nowadays very unstable la.. frm traffic light to traffic light it changes abit, sumtimes even stalling.. help pls!!

[devil.L]

gg.com.sg totally

[jtzx]

devil.. got any other mirror? your round mirror cant fit... no big allen keys

[naim]

wat u mean bro?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

wow! jux did a fill up and gosh! my hard riding over the week has made my FC from 33 avg to 27! urgh! but i admit most of d tym i whack like 100-110km/h one..

 

bro kalyan.. im intending to change my sprocket size.. wats d recommended sizes? cux im like 85kg.. and pillion quite frequently.. afraid nt enuf torque later for quick traffic light bursts..

 

if u can, PM me sum tips on things like tuning the carb? cux i read sumwhr u had silent running even when u whack hard.. rly want to hv this too bro.. and my idling nowadays very unstable la.. frm traffic light to traffic light it changes abit, sumtimes even stalling.. help pls!!

 

 

PMs sent - feel free to drop by as I'm conducting some DIY, bike testing and convoying sessions over the weekend :3

[benkwang]

I can reach 300+ without using reserves.. Exactly im not sure.. Basically every 300km i top up about 10-15 dollars?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

300+ is okay but can be improved to at least 330-350 with a bit of self-tuning.

 

For a "full tank" without use of reserve, you're looking at about 8.6-9+ litres of fuel before the rapidly lowering fuel pressure forces you to switch to reserve.

[Markopolo]

Wah i dunno what happened for past 3 full tank i pump my fuel consumption suddenly drop from 27 to 23.. at first i thought is my tires.. i pumped it den still 23.. =(.. and hor how come when i pump my tires i set 205 den i pull out i hear air release den i put back is 185.. issit coz my tires max at 185?

[jtzx]

Normally to play save, pump bike at 250km.. play safe la...

[chemistryman]

My 2 cent worth :

 

Everytime after refuel (till max), I'll record my meter. Therefore, I know what is my oil consumption. By the way my bike is abt 7+ yo (coe finish in 2013). My bike is TA200.

- It is abt 38.2km/l. (Use to go for 40-41 km/l a year ago).

- there is 9.5litre before you used your reserve.

- total tank is abt 11l (or slightly more). After I starting using reserve, my bike can crusie for another 58-62km.

* All the figure are tested and accurate for my bike only.

 

Hope this info will help.

- my speed is between 90-110km/h.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

My 2 cent worth :

 

Everytime after refuel (till max), I'll record my meter. Therefore, I know what is my oil consumption. By the way my bike is abt 7+ yo (coe finish in 2013). My bike is TA200.

- It is abt 38.2km/l. (Use to go for 40-41 km/l a year ago).

- there is 9.5litre before you used your reserve.

- total tank is abt 11l (or slightly more). After I starting using reserve, my bike can crusie for another 58-62km.

* All the figure are tested and accurate for my bike only.

 

Hope this info will help.

- my speed is between 90-110km/h.

 

Very detailed test figures - and time-proved too

 

You're getting the top end of fuel economy at typical commuting speeds (i.e., not riding at 50kph!)

[weiqiang]

My 2 cent worth :

 

Everytime after refuel (till max), I'll record my meter. Therefore, I know what is my oil consumption. By the way my bike is abt 7+ yo (coe finish in 2013). My bike is TA200.

- It is abt 38.2km/l. (Use to go for 40-41 km/l a year ago).

- there is 9.5litre before you used your reserve.

- total tank is abt 11l (or slightly more). After I starting using reserve, my bike can crusie for another 58-62km.

* All the figure are tested and accurate for my bike only.

 

Hope this info will help.

- my speed is between 90-110km/h.

wow tts gd man. i m 57kg, ride cap at 110-115km/h. riding a 9 yr old ta200 (just bought from fren). only achieve 30-31km/l. initially still okay with the fc but after reading this thread sad sia wanna improve the fc to save money on petrol. just cleaned my air filter. hopefully can decrease the fc. maybe need to seek help from forumer if it doesnt work.

[CSV]

mines 36km mostly. best was 40km/l when tuned to the correct setting.

 

 

ta 200 fuel consumption should range from 32-40km. in between you are fine, any lower and you probably need to look into the bike.

[Zhi Ming]

wow tts gd man. i m 57kg, ride cap at 110-115km/h. riding a 9 yr old ta200 (just bought from fren). only achieve 30-31km/l. initially still okay with the fc but after reading this thread sad sia wanna improve the fc to save money on petrol. just cleaned my air filter. hopefully can decrease the fc. maybe need to seek help from forumer if it doesnt work.

 

im 70kg but my ride cap at 90km/hr. Getting 42km/l. You might wanna cap your speed at 100 max.