Fresh 2B rider seeking advice on:

[vexed.]

Hey guys, I just passed my TP this week thursday and I've been looking at this forum for quite some time now, in anticipation of buying a new bike.

 

I'm planing on getting a KIPS and I saw on quite a few "check list for buying a second bike" threads that I should check how hard it is to a) kick start the bike and b) find neutral gear.

 

I was wondering that assuming I find a KIPS out there which is hard to kick start and hard to find neutral.

 

What does it mean about the condition of the bike? Is it still worth getting?

 

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the bike has been sitting there doing nothing for a while, the bike would naturually be hard to kick start if it hasn't been started for a while right?)

[compfused]

Up to you la..If you still wanna get the bike (love at first sight) Ahaha..Then be ready to fork out some $$ to get it serviced..An advice is to go with a friend or find someone from the KR thread to go with you to check on the bikes before buyin..Coz shop they see/know you new and some more alone they will not think twice about choppin you..Ahaha..At least with someone experience they can advice you on whether its worth buyin or not..Take your time..Don't rush..There are a couple of bikes (KR) for sale in the Garage Sales..Might wanna try checkin that out..

[vexed.]

Thanks for the advice, man

 

But I was really wondering about finding neutral. I understand that with some bikes, finding neutral gear is very hard, such as those CB125s we use in riding schools.

 

Does the effort it takes to find neutral reflect the bikes condition?

[C.S]

i think

tt one is experience and skills ba

[Refugee]

neutrals are hard to get once the mileage of the engine oil is up...

 

oil engine oil gives bad gear shift... e.g. skipping neutral all the time....

 

so its not a good way to determine if the engine is in good condition....

[compfused]

Originally posted by vexed.@February 25, 2007 12:07 pm

Thanks for the advice, man

 

But I was really wondering about finding neutral. I understand that with some bikes, finding neutral gear is very hard, such as those CB125s we use in riding schools.

 

Does the effort it takes to find neutral reflect the bikes condition?

Ahaha..Those bikes in riding skools..Think they seldom change EO as you would on your own bike..Hence the difficulty in finding neutral..Not a good way to judge the condition of the bikes but it could indicate time to change EO or get the bike serviced..

 

Sometimes after changin EO also hard to find neutral..Coz biting point is too near..That one you can just adjust the clutch..

[futsal123]

yup, change engine oil to smoothen ur gear change. if u are worried bout finding neutral part, clutch in all the way during traffic stop. can train ur finger strength

[B20]

Originally posted by futsal123@February 26, 2007 01:25 am

yup, change engine oil to smoothen ur gear change. if u are worried bout finding neutral part, clutch in all the way during traffic stop. can train ur finger strength

train at the custom also can... try go in jb at 6pm every weekday... u sure can develope muscular finger in no time...

[Cerius]

kick up to gear 2 then slowly push down to neutral lor, works for me lol

 

and i find school's cg125 neutral easier to kick leh-.-

[operator]

I changed bike few times liao and I always noticed that there are 2 types of bikes when it comes to finding neutral.

 

1st: Bike that are easier to go to neutral from 1st gear.

2nd: Bike that are easier to go to neutral from 2nd gear.

 

So, have to really get to know your bike la..

[vexed.]

Hah, ok fair enough.

 

Thanks for the feedback guys.

[OhMiGosh]

tat time my friend also having trouble finding neutral.. end up adjust the clutch screw for him as his clutch very very near then after that ok liao.. u might wanna try it if u find that its very hard to change to neutral from gear 1 it might be 1 of the factor.. another will be the same as what fellow brothers had metioned.. engine oil lor.. change regularly between 3k-5k depending on what kind and type of engine oil u use.

[hondawavefan]

If sometimes its hard to find neutral rite, can "rock" the bike forward or backwards while kicking the gear to neutral simultaneously...

[DM]

if the clutch plates are loose, it helps to rev the bike (SLIGHTLY) once immediately before u switch to neutral.

[Me_No_Money]

rev ur eng or off on ur eng if got difficulty in getting neutral.

[DM]

rev + on; off engine = backfire for 4 strokes. what are you trying to teach him ?

[B20]

set ur clutch further... change engine oil...

[roseonfire]

Originally posted by vexed.@February 25, 2007 11:11 am

Hey guys, I just passed my TP this week thursday and I've been looking at this forum for quite some time now, in anticipation of buying a new bike.

 

I'm planing on getting a KIPS and I saw on quite a few "check list for buying a second bike" threads that I should check how hard it is to a) kick start the bike and b) find neutral gear.

 

I was wondering that assuming I find a KIPS out there which is hard to kick start and hard to find neutral.

 

What does it mean about the condition of the bike? Is it still worth getting?

 

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the bike has been sitting there doing nothing for a while, the bike would naturually be hard to kick start if it hasn't been started for a while right?)

Kick start is always a troublesome thing.. hehe.. i mean as a gal dats wat i feel.. but for guys shud be ok.. as u say, if never use bike for sometimes, its hard to start esp in d morning.. dats wat i heard.

[ahcongie]

cus engine too cold .. nid some warm up be4 riding .. if not no power like tat

[redbeacon]

Originally posted by Ladyrider@March 19, 2007 12:26 pm

Kick start is always a troublesome thing.. hehe.. i mean as a gal dats wat i feel.. but for guys shud be ok.. as u say, if never use bike for sometimes, its hard to start esp in d morning.. dats wat i heard.

Having owned a kickstart and an electric-start based bikes, I'd like to share my comments on both:

 

Electric-start is convenient, no doubt. A small problem about that is that relies on battery power and if the battery were to be low on electric charge, you would have a somewhat immobilised bike that is too weak to crank the engine to start it. That's when people have to push-start the bike - this physically drains you out.

 

For kick-start bikes with the abovementioned condition, there is some hope of getting the bike to start and to begin supplying some power to the battery -- enough for a trip to the bikeshop to have the battery replaced.

 

Both are with their advantages and disadvantages.

 

For bikes that are left alone for an extended period of time, it's either that the engine's dry, or left-over residue that's causing the bike to not start at the first attempt.

[KeraKing]

about the kickstart.. i see many kr that hard to kickstart when cold. even new ones..

 

not like sp, use hand also can.. lol