Harley Riders gather

[gohjohan]

you sold yours when my was being assembled at the plant...told you not to sell, now with the white roadkings off to KL, look like i am the only one rumbling around, beside johan i guess...

 

btw, hello everyone, me just back from a good 1 week holiday..the only thing bad is the take off and landing, hate that headache feeling...no wonder i end up being a road pilot...

 

In case you didn't know, I sold my Fat Boy 'cos I'm in Hong Kong for more than a month now. I won't be going back to SG and also I won't riding for a very long time

 

Someone has their facts wrong. Belts will generally last 100kklm at least before needing replacement under normal conditions. Go and speak to some mechanics. 30k klm I have never heard of one lasting such a short period and assume it is an exceptional circumstance.

 

That's right. The lifespan of a belt is around 100,000km under normal circumstances. That means no "whacking". Someone did get their drive belts changed after 30,000km. Read the Drive Belts section

[limbat]

In case you didn't know, I sold my Fat Boy 'cos I'm in Hong Kong for more than a month now. I won't be going back to SG and also I won't riding for a very long time

 

Hi mate I will miss you lor .... your battery is doing well here !!!! Pls PM me to keep in touch..............

[Designer Dude]

dear all, izit legal to wrap our header wif hi-temp wrap?

 

Some say its illegal due to increasing the performance

 

Some say its legal.

 

Anyone?

 

If heat is not released that suggest that heat is contained.

ie: the wrap does aid riders from feeling the heat.

where does all the heat go or rather transfer or worst still 'incubate".

 

A harley will shut down by itself under extreme heat. (though rarely)

it's becoming a common sight in big bores particularly in EFIs.

 

3 bikes stalled during the Peter Fonda ride. (typical in dead-slow / crawl convoy rides)

All towed back their bikes thinking something flippped or fried.

Only for them to start once again at the mechanics without any job done on it. It only had to cool down...remember...air-cooled engines.

 

Lets face it, with all that heat...metal does expand.

[BlackDawn]

I think normal Sportster also come with mid-controls right?

Only the Sportster Customs come with forward controls as stock.

[maxxmadness]

In case you didn't know, I sold my Fat Boy 'cos I'm in Hong Kong for more than a month now. I won't be going back to SG and also I won't riding for a very long time

 

you are right!!! i didnt know

 

have a good life in hong kong....but hong kong not many nice places for riding leh, if any..

[lunloon]

eh... not too sure about the increasing performance part, but i am sure it reduce a bit of heat. mine's all wrapped up. aiyah, dun need to worry legal or not lah... we fix that exhaust, already illegal... since the bike is already so illegal, just go all the way~!

 

Hi.

 

i am also planning to wrap.

 

Is there any heat issues, like the pipe gets overheated due to the trapped heat.

 

Lazy to wipe down the chrome. Wrap saves time. Haha.

[Throttle]

I think EFI model more powerful....

 

yes, that is correct.

 

if you check the official specs, the EFI models are the more torquey compared to the Carb models

[Dnish]

Hi.

 

i am also planning to wrap.

 

Is there any heat issues, like the pipe gets overheated due to the trapped heat.

 

Lazy to wipe down the chrome. Wrap saves time. Haha.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but think its best to remove the chrome heat shield first and wrap the black exhaust pipe.

[RedDragon]

yes, that is correct.

 

if you check the official specs, the EFI models are the more torquey compared to the Carb models

 

Do u know how to convert to EFI carb? Can we convert 883 to 1200?

[Throttle]

Do u know how to convert to EFI carb? Can we convert 883 to 1200?

 

i dont know how to convert. guess must replace the throttle body and add some sensors?

 

883 to 1200 need to bore your cylinders and increase your piston size.

basically "upping" the cc.

 

i believe HD can do the upgrade for some money?

[yohji]

i dont know how to convert. guess must replace the throttle body and add some sensors?

 

883 to 1200 need to bore your cylinders and increase your piston size.

basically "upping" the cc.

 

i believe HD can do the upgrade for some money?

 

I asked before. Was told better not to do it. Because lots of problems will occur. So if you want a 1200cc, better buy one which is already 1200cc.

[RedDragon]

i dont know how to convert. guess must replace the throttle body and add some sensors?

 

883 to 1200 need to bore your cylinders and increase your piston size.

basically "upping" the cc.

 

i believe HD can do the upgrade for some money?

 

i think there is someone in the forum has done it before at HD SG. The ebay also selling the upgrade kits. I wonder how much it cost.

[garyhwk]

If heat is not released that suggest that heat is contained.

ie: the wrap does aid riders from feeling the heat.

where does all the heat go or rather transfer or worst still 'incubate".

 

A harley will shut down by itself under extreme heat. (though rarely)

it's becoming a common sight in big bores particularly in EFIs.

 

3 bikes stalled during the Peter Fonda ride. (typical in dead-slow / crawl convoy rides)

All towed back their bikes thinking something flippped or fried.

Only for them to start once again at the mechanics without any job done on it. It only had to cool down...remember...air-cooled engines.

 

Lets face it, with all that heat...metal does expand.

 

From what i understand, wrapping the pipes increase performance by keeping the exhaust air hot, thereby keeping it's density low, allowing it to be expelled from the exhaust faster = better performance. wrapping or not, air-cooled engine will still act up if overheated due to lack of air flow thru the engine block e.g. stuck in heavy traffic.

[Throttle]

I asked before. Was told better not to do it. Because lots of problems will occur. So if you want a 1200cc, better buy one which is already 1200cc.

 

of course they say dont do.

if they say do, who will buy 1200 sportster

 

it's widely done successfully in the US Australia etc...

i believe no prob if done properly by expereienced mech

anyway harley engine is not complicated compared to superbikes

 

there are even big bore kits for many Japanese sports bikes.

can upgrade easily to 1400cc haaahaha......

[stwb1981]

Exhaust wrap more on preventing corrosion (stainless steel also have grades, lower the grade easier to corrode) & "beauty" reason, Performance wise not much & it certainly add more weight to the bike. Do note that good quality wrap do not come cheap...

 

Big bore equal making yr current cc go "bigger" with the help of bigger pistons, new bigger block or big bore block etc etc.(many things go hand in hand when "boreing")

Everyone love to mod, who don't....

But wat HD Spore say it true & even with experienced mech there is bound to be problems.

 

End of the day modding req plenty of $$$, Buying of big bore kit, installing & most importantly MAINTAINING it...

[IceZ]

Carb definately sounds better ... but I want my bike to start up effortlessly every morning. EFI is good at that hehe.

 

 

 

 

I think normal Sportster also come with mid-controls right?

 

 

 

 

Wrapping header will improve performance? I didn't know that. I thought all wrap for the looks only. Learnt something new again

 

ya bro, carb have the better n bassy sound..u can always use choke mah...

 

yah..sportster comes wif mid control....but frd around me change to forward control

 

yes, by wrapping the header will produce efficiency heat to the exhuast.

[IceZ]

eh... not too sure about the increasing performance part, but i am sure it reduce a bit of heat. mine's all wrapped up. aiyah, dun need to worry legal or not lah... we fix that exhaust, already illegal... since the bike is already so illegal, just go all the way~!

 

ok boss..i'll do as u say.

 

gonna diy this sun...wrapping up my blackie.

[IceZ]

Correct me if I am wrong, but think its best to remove the chrome heat shield first and wrap the black exhaust pipe.

 

no..u r right..need to remove the case...

[Throttle]

ya bro, carb have the better n bassy sound..u can always use choke mah...

 

yah..sportster comes wif mid control....but frd around me change to forward control

 

yes, by wrapping the header will produce efficiency heat to the exhuast.

 

 

 

sorry if it offends, but a sportster just looks stupid with Forward controls unless it's the custom version.

 

I beleive sportsters are what sportster should always remain.

Sporty that is.

[IceZ]

i think there is someone in the forum has done it before at HD SG. The ebay also selling the upgrade kits. I wonder how much it cost.

 

depend which stage u looking for...

price range is btw few hundred to thousands bucks. excluding installation.

 

 

advantage-higher performance, increase hp

defects-risk of gasket seals broken, higher FC

 

This are the eg of modification.

 

Stage 0: Stock

 

HP=40 for 883, 50 for 1200 (average)

 

Stage .5 (also known as "The Harley Tax"): Stock plus:

SE Air Cleaner(1)

SE Slip-On Mufflers or equivalent(2)

Rejetting (DynoJet, Yost or just jets)(3)

 

HP=50 for 883, 60 for factory 1200(4)

 

Stage 1: Stage.5 plus

883/1200 Conversion for 883s(5,6,7,8)

SE Ignition Module or adjustable one(9)

 

HP=60 for 883/1200, 65 for factory 1200

 

Stage 1.5: Stage 1 plus

Andrews N2 cams (mild)(10)

 

HP=65 for 883/1200, 70 for factory 1200

 

Stage 2: Stage 1.5 plus

Andrews N4, N8, or SE bolt-in cams instead of N2(11)

SE S1 Lightning or other bolt-on +/- 10:1 heads(12)

 

HP=75

 

Options: 2 into 1 header system, add +/- 7 hp(13)

SE carb (or equivalent), add +/- 3 hp(14)

XR750 (or other) valve springs, no gain(15)

 

Stage 2.5: Stage 2 plus

Professionally ported 10:1 or higher heads

Matching (to head) domed pistons(16)

XR750 valve springs or SE cam kit(15,17)

2 into 1 header system(13)

SE,S&S Super E, or Mikuni HSR42 carb(14)

 

HP=90+

 

Options: big valves (big twin size), add +/- 5 hp(18)

 

Stage 3: Stage 2.5 plus: (or:)

Big-bore cylinders and pistons and/or

Stroker kit and/or

Nitrous injection and/or

Supercharging

HP=100^

 

 

[IceZ]

sorry if it offends, but a sportster just looks stupid with Forward controls unless it's the custom version.

 

I beleive sportsters are what sportster should always remain.

Sporty that is.

 

its ok bro, no offence taken coz im using stock..lolx

 

sometimes they have no choice...especially those tall ah lao...

[Dnish]

no..u r right..need to remove the case...

 

Let us know how the wrap goes. I dont need more power, but if it will keep my right leg from cooking at red lights, I am all for it. BTW, is you muffler chrome? Will you repaint or leave it alone (if not black)?

[CC]

sigh~~~~~~~

[RedDragon]

depend which stage u looking for...

price range is btw few hundred to thousands bucks. excluding installation.

 

 

advantage-higher performance, increase hp

defects-risk of gasket seals broken, higher FC

 

This are the eg of modification.

 

Stage 0: Stock

 

HP=40 for 883, 50 for 1200 (average)

 

Stage .5 (also known as "The Harley Tax"): Stock plus:

SE Air Cleaner(1)

SE Slip-On Mufflers or equivalent(2)

Rejetting (DynoJet, Yost or just jets)(3)

 

HP=50 for 883, 60 for factory 1200(4)

 

Stage 1: Stage.5 plus

883/1200 Conversion for 883s(5,6,7,8)

SE Ignition Module or adjustable one(9)

 

HP=60 for 883/1200, 65 for factory 1200

 

Stage 1.5: Stage 1 plus

Andrews N2 cams (mild)(10)

 

HP=65 for 883/1200, 70 for factory 1200

 

Stage 2: Stage 1.5 plus

Andrews N4, N8, or SE bolt-in cams instead of N2(11)

SE S1 Lightning or other bolt-on +/- 10:1 heads(12)

 

HP=75

 

Options: 2 into 1 header system, add +/- 7 hp(13)

SE carb (or equivalent), add +/- 3 hp(14)

XR750 (or other) valve springs, no gain(15)

 

Stage 2.5: Stage 2 plus

Professionally ported 10:1 or higher heads

Matching (to head) domed pistons(16)

XR750 valve springs or SE cam kit(15,17)

2 into 1 header system(13)

SE,S&S Super E, or Mikuni HSR42 carb(14)

 

HP=90+

 

Options: big valves (big twin size), add +/- 5 hp(18)

 

Stage 3: Stage 2.5 plus: (or:)

Big-bore cylinders and pistons and/or

Stroker kit and/or

Nitrous injection and/or

Supercharging

HP=100^

 

 

 

Got package anot? Should be Ex

[lunloon]

Correct me if I am wrong, but think its best to remove the chrome heat shield first and wrap the black exhaust pipe.

 

no you are absolutely correct.

 

i just read around to find out more about it.

 

Most people say ok, some people say your pipes will be thrashed. some say the pipe got corroded till there's nothing left. The last one sounds too Sci Fi for me, but I do believe the pipes will be thrashed. Both from physical chem reactions and thermodynamics.