[Blogs] Today while riding...

[danielling1981]

You're weird u know... Prevention is better than cure... If u have the chance and ability to speed up and increase distance between yourself and the car, and also have the chance and ability to slow down and make a comfortable turn, u rather take the risk of him rear ending u at a speed of 70km/h with so many possible death hazards... Ever think about what if he rear ends u, and instead of slowing down, he speeds up? U got the momentum, but the momentum won't be there for long if his bumper is in contact with your rear wheel constantly. And imagine if he turns slightly to the left, your rear wheel will follow to the left, and your front wheel in the same position. Change in momentum. Anyway, u can never be too sure of what Singapore drivers are thinking of. I know that for sure. Been rear ended once on 30 July 2012 and another one on 14 march 2013. Less than a year apart. Both while in stop position, July one in a jam, the march one while waiting for pedestrians to cross...

 

I agree with heathx on his response in regards to ur situation. If i were him will ve done e same. But additional comments, thoughts, observation w/e u call it.

 

if i notice e bmw is coming too faat, i will ve extra focus and attention. Basically if e bmw really ve e evil intent to bang u, i doubt tat will be avoidable. Otherwise it should be noticeable tat e bmw slowing down. So if i were paying attention, i will be able to decide whether its safely to continue as is or to spd up or to slow down.

 

U r right tat prevention is better than cure. I ve never agreed more with ur words. But prevention does not always mean spd up beyond speed limit to avoid. Of coz im not saying tats not wt u should do. But its different for every rider or every situation.

 

Ur scenario i ve encounter before. Not uncommon either. And i ve responded e way heathx ve described. No issues or accidents occured. Of coz e vehicle slowed down in e end and of coz i wasnt trying to prove anything. Just dun feel right to spd up just becoz e behind coming up fast.

[Heathx]

Yea.. I'll go with the same option. Speeding up and overtaking the lorry on the left (means aborting ur right turn) is more dangerous as the lorry may speed up/may turn right. If speed up and take the right turn fast also dangerous, moreover now if u get accident its cleary your fault and u may also end up killed if someone ran the lights.

 

Face it. We riders are always facing the possibility of accident everyday. Better to ride defensively than aggressively. Wu eh bo eh open throttle to increase distance from tailgaters is called aggressive riding leh.

 

I took his example to be depicting me and BMW on lane 1 of road, with go straight or turn right, otherwise almost impossible that BMW won't slow down before turning right. With this established, then surely lane 2, lorry's lane, is a go ahead only lane. Thus safe to miss turn. Unless the lorry busthird, then turn right, then it's a boh beh zao situation liao.

[danielling1981]

In SG there is no right of way for riders..Thinking you do will end you up as roadkill or if you are lucky then you wake up in the hospital.

 

I think its important fornus riders to read ur post and comes to grips with it. And ride with skill and focus to not become roadkill.

 

 

 

 

 

A time on the road is rather be safe then sorry.. just heard one of ma cousin involve in an accident tis mornin n in unconcious state.. donno the details much.. anyway to all motorist big, small, new n old... have a safe journey everyone

 

 

oh dear. All e best. ._.

 

 

 

 

True, but the scenario that PJY described is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If you slow down, the BMW will bang you. If you speed up and turn, then you risk colliding head on with the oncoming traffic or banging down pedestrian.

 

Come to think about it, i got yet another solution to this problem. I can choose to speed up, and overtake the lorry, so the BMW can overtake me. I may miss my turn, but i'm pretty sure there's a u-turn ahead that i can make to get back to my intended course. This will probably be the best course of action.

 

Sounds like a good option. But I'll only do tat in e event tat i missed my turn. By spding, it may cause a 5th scenario tat e bmw thought u playing, so chase u = worse. Lol.

 

I feel tat often, (on a not so busy road) when we rider react by speeding up, some motorists may take it e wrong way and challenge. I speak from experience as in e past i will spd up and a chase (me being chased) often proceed. It only ends when no roads left.

 

Now, i either spd up, change lane,slow down and let e motorist pass if i relax mode. Or if no chance to change just stick to my comfortable spd limit.

 

But if those hardcore tailgater, i will put in effort to change lane of which as a rider, i ve to say, i ve not encountered a scenario where im unable to change lane.

 

 

 

 

Yea.. I'll go with the same option. Speeding up and overtaking the lorry on the left (means aborting ur right turn) is more dangerous as the lorry may speed up/may turn right. If speed up and take the right turn fast also dangerous, moreover now if u get accident its cleary your fault and u may also end up killed if someone ran the lights.

 

Face it. We riders are always facing the possibility of accident everyday. Better to ride defensively than aggressively. Wu eh bo eh open throttle to increase distance from tailgaters is called aggressive riding leh.

 

Agree. I will rather get bang then cause other accident. At least get bang i dun ve to pay. Lol.

 

Also lim, i think speeding up /= agressive riding. It is a form of defensive riding too depending on mental and execution.

[adesmond2]

True, but the scenario that PJY described is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If you slow down, the BMW will bang you. If you speed up and turn, then you risk colliding head on with the oncoming traffic or banging down pedestrian.

 

Come to think about it, i got yet another solution to this problem. I can choose to speed up, and overtake the lorry, so the BMW can overtake me. I may miss my turn, but i'm pretty sure there's a u-turn ahead that i can make to get back to my intended course. This will probably be the best course of action.

 

This is the best defensive decision.. But not safe as you dunno how many more "dangers" you will add up by going faster and U-turn.. haha..

Anyway, don't think too much.. Ride defensively and offensively at the same time..

 

I don't think you see the logic behind your question. Let's change the question slightly. What if it wasn't a right turn, but a red light? You brake and stop at the line, he doesn't stop, then bang you, how? Or you see and then u scared, you chiong the red light, kena camera, licence suspended, or worse, bang against traffic coming from your left and right, still die mah.

 

How do you know if he will not slow down from a glance at the mirror? hard, unless u keep observing the mirror for at least 2 seconds. and dun forget u're making a right turn, you need to check oncoming traffic, pedestrian crossing from curb to curb at the road you're turning into, check blindspot for motorcyclist squeezing from your left and right.

 

I'd rather deal with one known form of danger, and finding possible escape route like jumping off bike to hold onto the fence on curb on my right, than to risk 4 different unknown dangers when i accelerate away from him to take the right turn at a high speed which i'm not comfortable at.

 

If he bang me, his fault. If i siam, and bang into pedestrian, or other vehicles, my fault.

 

Correct..

*Layman term.. he bang you, you die, he jia lat, you bang people or cause other's death.. You or your family member jia lat.. LOL..

 

 

I agree with heathx on his response in regards to ur situation. If i were him will ve done e same. But additional comments, thoughts, observation w/e u call it.

 

if i notice e bmw is coming too faat, i will ve extra focus and attention. Basically if e bmw really ve e evil intent to bang u, i doubt tat will be avoidable. Otherwise it should be noticeable tat e bmw slowing down. So if i were paying attention, i will be able to decide whether its safely to continue as is or to spd up or to slow down.

 

U r right tat prevention is better than cure. I ve never agreed more with ur words. But prevention does not always mean spd up beyond speed limit to avoid. Of coz im not saying tats not wt u should do. But its different for every rider or every situation.

 

Ur scenario i ve encounter before. Not uncommon either. And i ve responded e way heathx ve described. No issues or accidents occured. Of coz e vehicle slowed down in e end and of coz i wasnt trying to prove anything. Just dun feel right to spd up just becoz e behind coming up fast.

 

Indeed, some tailgaters have the power to brake thus they keep playing.. I once kanna also.. Slow down and keep tapping brake so that he will slow down also..

Riding with pillion, this "sport" car with HID spot light, all the way at PIE behind me.. until I exit, I slowed till 20, he follow also.. LOL..

[XxPJYxX]

I don't think you see the logic behind your question. Let's change the question slightly. What if it wasn't a right turn, but a red light? You brake and stop at the line, he doesn't stop, then bang you, how? Or you see and then u scared, you chiong the red light, kena camera, licence suspended, or worse, bang against traffic coming from your left and right, still die mah.

 

How do you know if he will not slow down from a glance at the mirror? hard, unless u keep observing the mirror for at least 2 seconds. and dun forget u're making a right turn, you need to check oncoming traffic, pedestrian crossing from curb to curb at the road you're turning into, check blindspot for motorcyclist squeezing from your left and right.

 

I'd rather deal with one known form of danger, and finding possible escape route like jumping off bike to hold onto the fence on curb on my right, than to risk 4 different unknown dangers when i accelerate away from him to take the right turn at a high speed which i'm not comfortable at.

 

If he bang me, his fault. If i siam, and bang into pedestrian, or other vehicles, my fault.

 

True true... But the junction is about 200-300 meters away... Not enough for u to change to the third lane and back to the first lane... Enough for u to speed up for a few seconds to get away from the tailgater and enough time for u to brake comfortably and stop between 2 vehicles to absorb the impact if he really bangs... The first lane splits into 2 at the junction, both turning right and u turn possible.

[XxPJYxX]

FYI, the BMW tailgating me less than half a bike length distance and closing in when I was maintaining speed at about 70. Of course I shocked la. Then the lorry beside me also maintaining speed... It's like they're playing with me for no reason... Road ahead clear all the way to the junction. I sped up and squeezed between 2 cars, went in front of the car on the right and stopped. Was thinking wtf that driver trying to do... If accident how? And I really hate accidents... Especially those involving me... Cos I think I've had enough accidents to last me a lifetime... So I'll try my best to avoid another accident as much as possible... But what to do? If you're fated to have an accident, I can't run... This BMW incident happened on 1st February 2013... I got hit from behind on the 14 march 2013. Lucky nothing much, private settlement...

[Heathx]

True true... But the junction is about 200-300 meters away... Not enough for u to change to the third lane and back to the first lane... Enough for u to speed up for a few seconds to get away from the tailgater and enough time for u to brake comfortably and stop between 2 vehicles to absorb the impact if he really bangs... The first lane splits into 2 at the junction, both turning right and u turn possible.

 

Hmmm... in that case, then i will first signal left, then GRADUALLY slow down and let the lorry move ahead first, then switch lane to behind the lorry, then let the BMW go ahead. If i making right turn, then i stay behind the lorry, or switch back lane 1 to right turn. If u-turn then switch to lane 1 lor. No need to chiong to lane 3 lah, 200m-300m is enough distance to do one lane change or 2 at most, u change to lane 3 then u no need turn right liao.

 

But my reasoning still stands, he bang me, his fault. If i accelerate, and he accelerate also, end up both us going fast then braking will become lagi more dangerous. If in the event i chiong, and i accident, it's my fault. So dun say defensive or what, if boh beh zao sure accident, i rather it be his fault than mine.

[r1der]

FYI, the BMW tailgating me less than half a bike length distance and closing in when I was maintaining speed at about 70. Of course I shocked la. Then the lorry beside me also maintaining speed... It's like they're playing with me for no reason... Road ahead clear all the way to the junction. I sped up and squeezed between 2 cars, went in front of the car on the right and stopped. Was thinking wtf that driver trying to do... If accident how? And I really hate accidents... Especially those involving me... Cos I think I've had enough accidents to last me a lifetime... So I'll try my best to avoid another accident as much as possible... But what to do? If you're fated to have an accident, I can't run... This BMW incident happened on 1st February 2013... I got hit from behind on the 14 march 2013. Lucky nothing much, private settlement...

 

Pray to God each time before u ride. Pray for safe journey. Eventually you will feel better. Some say it's psychology effect, others say it's God's faith. I say it's BOTH.

[danielling1981]

True true... But the junction is about 200-300 meters away... Not enough for u to change to the third lane and back to the first lane... Enough for u to speed up for a few seconds to get away from the tailgater and enough time for u to brake comfortably and stop between 2 vehicles to absorb the impact if he really bangs... The first lane splits into 2 at the junction, both turning right and u turn possible.

 

Then make ur own judgement. If safe to speed up and no TP then do it for ur safety. If u dun ve e eyes to look out for TP then dun do it. At least bang u from behind is bmw fault.

 

Rather than u misjudge e situation and e bmw had no intention to bang u and u spd for no reason kanna TP.

On e roads lots of variables. Everyone reacts differently. U make e call. But of coz dun when u post wat hapoen and ur actions, dun blame pple for not agreeing with ur decision.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm... in that case, then i will first signal left, then GRADUALLY slow down and let the lorry move ahead first, then switch lane to behind the lorry, then let the BMW go ahead. If i making right turn, then i stay behind the lorry, or switch back lane 1 to right turn. If u-turn then switch to lane 1 lor. No need to chiong to lane 3 lah, 200m-300m is enough distance to do one lane change or 2 at most, u change to lane 3 then u no need turn right liao.

 

But my reasoning still stands, he bang me, his fault. If i accelerate, and he accelerate also, end up both us going fast then braking will become lagi more dangerous. If in the event i chiong, and i accident, it's my fault. So dun say defensive or what, if boh beh zao sure accident, i rather it be his fault than mine.

 

Same. I rather get bang from behind then cause accident. Of coz i rather both dun hapoen. But if die die choose 1, i choose to get bang from behind. Higher chance of survival compare to i spd and lost control or hit something.

[noobielameo]

more like yesterday~

 

recently, first kana bird **** then kana fine, kana rain, kana fishtail. Hope the sueyness ends here. Reach home today, internet down

until now then up....

[HimQQ]

Off abit.

Monday morning was on PIE from Changi to BKE.

Past Paya Lebar exit, saw 4 TP bikes, just speed up in the jam, sadly none of the car drivers dare to speed up.

 

When car drivers see us speed up, they speed up too .

 

P.S. I was LSing between 1st and 2nd lane, 1 of the TP bike wanted to go to 1st lane, saw me and slow down.

I braked, let him, he gave a wave and zoom bye bye.

[XxPJYxX]

Then make ur own judgement. If safe to speed up and no TP then do it for ur safety. If u dun ve e eyes to look out for TP then dun do it. At least bang u from behind is bmw fault.

 

Rather than u misjudge e situation and e bmw had no intention to bang u and u spd for no reason kanna TP.

On e roads lots of variables. Everyone reacts differently. U make e call. But of coz dun when u post wat hapoen and ur actions, dun blame pple for not agreeing with ur decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same. I rather get bang from behind then cause accident. Of coz i rather both dun hapoen. But if die die choose 1, i choose to get bang from behind. Higher chance of survival compare to i spd and lost control or hit something.

 

Same la... I rather get bang from behind than cause accident... But if possible, both don't happen better... My teeth from 2008 accident until now, still haven't settle... Still got gap there... Haiz...

[ki113r]

more like yesterday~

 

recently, first kana bird **** then kana fine, kana rain, kana fishtail. Hope the sueyness ends here. Reach home today, internet down

until now then up....

 

Eh? U stay Tanglin Halt?

[noobielameo]

Eh? U stay Tanglin Halt?

 

nope, I stay in Pasir Ris.

[Limhg]

Also lim, i think speeding up /= agressive riding. It is a form of defensive riding too depending on mental and execution.

 

I also agree some rare situations require some speeding up. But some people always believe it is the best option, no neeed to use brain. Thats why i wrote wu eh bo eh also open throttle.

 

Also it is not safe to assume the lorry wont turn left. I've seen cement trucks and prime movers make the right turn even on the go straight lane as they miss the right turn lane. Almost every week will see at the junction of jurong port.

[Heathx]

That's why i'm getting GoPro3!!! Bao doh all these goondu drivers! Oh, i also heard that change lane no signal is 6 demerit points offence. Friend's friend kena. Now left 18points. Lol!

[CSV]

today while riding.

 

was LS behind a line of bikes back home on AYE after work. there is space on my right and a car on my left.

 

this god damn malaysia plate cub guy decided to overtake me on the right space. and when he cut in immediately, he jam brake!

 

scared the **** out of me, i also panic and braked. rear started fishtailing but managed to control it luckily. if not, pinball between cars liao. i wanted to catch up to him and show him the international sign of love, but this bugger rode damn fast on his cub. i also lazy to chase.

 

think i am getting too used to rear brake more than front brake. not good habit.

[XxPJYxX]

today while riding.

 

was LS behind a line of bikes back home on AYE after work. there is space on my right and a car on my left.

 

this god damn malaysia plate cub guy decided to overtake me on the right space. and when he cut in immediately, he jam brake!

 

scared the **** out of me, i also panic and braked. rear started fishtailing but managed to control it luckily. if not, pinball between cars liao. i wanted to catch up to him and show him the international sign of love, but this bugger rode damn fast on his cub. i also lazy to chase.

 

think i am getting too used to rear brake more than front brake. not good habit.

 

True it's not a good habit. But if you're used to it, keep it up... But remember front brake 60% force, rear brake 40%... Because sometimes these things happen suddenly, we don't have time to think about front or rear brake, we just instinctively brake both, as long as we don't hit the vehicle in front, it's good enough for me... Happened to me before, but in your case it's a scooter, while mine was a freaking lorry... So ya, I jammed on both brakes and my bike fish tailed almost 20-30% to the left, but lucky I regained control...

[Jehuty]

True it's not a good habit. But if you're used to it, keep it up... But remember front brake 60% force, rear brake 40%... Because sometimes these things happen suddenly, we don't have time to think about front or rear brake, we just instinctively brake both, as long as we don't hit the vehicle in front, it's good enough for me... Happened to me before, but in your case it's a scooter, while mine was a freaking lorry... So ya, I jammed on both brakes and my bike fish tailed almost 20-30% to the left, but lucky I regained control...

 

Be thankful it wasn't wet, all your front wheel had to do is lock.

[wait4me]

k113r > u still riding SP ah ?? FS plate?

[Oil Changer]

today while riding.

 

was LS behind a line of bikes back home on AYE after work. there is space on my right and a car on my left.

 

this god damn malaysia plate cub guy decided to overtake me on the right space. and when he cut in immediately, he jam brake!

 

scared the **** out of me, i also panic and braked. rear started fishtailing but managed to control it luckily. if not, pinball between cars liao. i wanted to catch up to him and show him the international sign of love, but this bugger rode damn fast on his cub. i also lazy to chase.

 

think i am getting too used to rear brake more than front brake. not good habit.

 

 

Its high time we send complains to LTA about Malaysia kups endagering our lives. Video and send to TP. Make hell alot of noise, make them fine them while they leaving custom. Its just matter of time they caused some fatalities.

[Heathx]

Today on the way to work, at PIE(tuas) just before clementi exit, i saw a malaysian kup without license plate. LOL! Should be malaysian cos got the malaysian parking label, the red square with white P.

[Yat-]

Today on the way to work, at PIE(tuas) just before clementi exit, i saw a malaysian kup without license plate. LOL! Should be malaysian cos got the malaysian parking label, the red square with white P.

 

Reminds me of something similar few yrs ago but it was a ducati bike. Asked him at traffic light junction and he said in malay the licence plate "flew away".

 

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[Jehuty]

Today on the way to work, at PIE(tuas) just before clementi exit, i saw a malaysian kup without license plate. LOL! Should be malaysian cos got the malaysian parking label, the red square with white P.

 

Sometimes see their helmet can guess already.

[Jehuty]

Reminds me of something similar few yrs ago but it was a ducati bike. Asked him at traffic light junction and he said in malay the licence plate "flew away".

 

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Because they know they can run from TP.