how to play corner like motogp

[Raptor]

lol, you mean, who is Raptured

 

hmmmm.. somebody talking about my lowside at the go kart track??

[Metalfyre]

Since this thread is all about cornering, would like to shoot of a question which hopefully you regular track riders would be able to address.

 

I know that you are supposed to enter the corner at lower gears to keep the rpms high so you have the power to exit the corner. But during the straights where I go up to gear 4 or possibily gear 5 at revs exceeding 12k, the rearwheel always locks up when I drop the gears prior to entering the corner and gives me a good butt waggling. Sometimes it gets so out of hand that my instinct kicks in and I clutch in to free up the rear wheel..and screw my entry into the corner.

 

So what I need you helpful folk to share is your entry techniques...how to avoid excessive fishtailing before dipping into the corner.

 

Btw my technique in a nutshell involves brake, down gear, release brake, down gear and bank. Dunno correct anot...

[Doctor DOL 46]

Since this thread is all about cornering, would like to shoot of a question which hopefully you regular track riders would be able to address.

 

I know that you are supposed to enter the corner at lower gears to keep the rpms high so you have the power to exit the corner. But during the straights where I go up to gear 4 or possibily gear 5 at revs exceeding 12k, the rearwheel always locks up when I drop the gears prior to entering the corner and gives me a good butt waggling. Sometimes it gets so out of hand that my instinct kicks in and I clutch in to free up the rear wheel..and screw my entry into the corner.

 

So what I need you helpful folk to share is your entry techniques...how to avoid excessive fishtailing before dipping into the corner.

 

Btw my technique in a nutshell involves brake, down gear, release brake, down gear and bank. Dunno correct anot...

 

 

Bro, now is after office hour.. Our Guru Hart is OFF duty liao..

 

It will make it easy for him to answer ur Q if u also state the kinda bike u riding.. 2 stroke, 4 stroke, 400cc, 600cc, 1000cc etc???

 

Just hangin there and Guru Hart will reply to ur post when he clocks in the morning..

[ambasnakeman]

during the straights where I go up to gear 4 or possibily gear 5 at revs exceeding 12k, the rearwheel always locks up when I drop the gears prior to entering the corner and gives me a good butt waggling. Sometimes it gets so out of hand that my instinct kicks in and I clutch in to free up the rear wheel..and screw my entry into the corner.

 

bro, u mean when u drop gear, the rear moves side to side or....r u encountering a rear wheel lock up?

 

what is a rear wheel lock up?

 

if it is just the rear moving side to side, try tilting the bike alittle when u brake....it helps

[EvilGixxer]

i think is the rear wheel going too fast then cannot match the engine speed after he drop gears therefore "locking" it as the wheel suddenly slows down but the bike speed is still there... have this problem too at johor circuit too at the second last or third last bend that is going up the slope then reach the bend too fast lol almost always eat grass ahaha... me track noob

[marzocchi]

Since this thread is all about cornering, would like to shoot of a question which hopefully you regular track riders would be able to address.

 

I know that you are supposed to enter the corner at lower gears to keep the rpms high so you have the power to exit the corner. But during the straights where I go up to gear 4 or possibily gear 5 at revs exceeding 12k, the rearwheel always locks up when I drop the gears prior to entering the corner and gives me a good butt waggling. Sometimes it gets so out of hand that my instinct kicks in and I clutch in to free up the rear wheel..and screw my entry into the corner.

 

So what I need you helpful folk to share is your entry techniques...how to avoid excessive fishtailing before dipping into the corner.

 

Btw my technique in a nutshell involves brake, down gear, release brake, down gear and bank. Dunno correct anot...

 

 

blip your trottle before releasing the clutch? or manually slip the clutch? or best...install slipper clutch

[singkiwi]

mmm..pasir gudang ok..but my bike engine not very good....im afraid it can damage my gearbox,engine.etc....due to high speed..dragging...tyres wear and tear.....i will only go to play pasir gudang after i change to new bike.....maybe kent ridge rd....mount faber...just passing by get the feeling of cornering....but i want to know the tecnique of cornering fast but safe...not anyhow corner....and when skidded...blame the road no good...i saw pasir gudang track...very bad..worst then spore road..

 

Ok, I'm sure your bike will be fine, you are probably more likely to blow it up stop starting around town than running it through the gears on the track. I would go further to say that it may even do it good to have a decent run out of town and use some of the revs. what is a track? it's just a road that keeps going round in circles :-)

 

Secondly PG if nothing is predictable, when you go round a corner, it WILL be the same as last time, it doesn't matter what the surface is, it doesn't matter how much grip is there (much more than the road anyway), it is always the same. On the road you come round a corner, there are leaves, sticks, cats pedestrians, coke cans, aircon fluid, diesel and on coming traffic. mmm sounds good right? how many times have you gone up lower delta only to catch a car or bus, frustrating right?

 

next, you don't need to go fast, go at your own speed, get a feel for the track, get a feel for getting the bike over, test your braking capabilities

 

And one more, you will have some protective gear on, army boots are fine, jacket and long pants (ok preferrably leathers but they're not compulsary).

oh ok, one more, your have run off, if you get it wrong, straighten up and slow down in the kitty litter, rather than hit a parked car

 

so imagine a great piece of road with nice corners, corners that are the same as before, so you can remember how you took them last time and then improve on what you did last time. Then imagine that road going on forever... Welcome to the track.

 

sorry, I got diverted. you asked for tips on how to corner fast.

Find a piece of road that you can do over and over again so that you can improve each time, it should be safe, with good runoffs, no traffic and as always wear good gear.

 

Hope this was useful...

[Metalfyre]

Bro, now is after office hour.. Our Guru Hart is OFF duty liao..

 

It will make it easy for him to answer ur Q if u also state the kinda bike u riding.. 2 stroke, 4 stroke, 400cc, 600cc, 1000cc etc???

 

Just hangin there and Guru Hart will reply to ur post when he clocks in the morning..

 

Ah..alright...left it out. My bad.

 

I'm riding a '03 R6.

[Metalfyre]

bro, u mean when u drop gear, the rear moves side to side or....r u encountering a rear wheel lock up?

 

what is a rear wheel lock up?

 

if it is just the rear moving side to side, try tilting the bike alittle when u brake....it helps

 

Lol alright maybe I didn't express myself too clearly there. But basically the explanation by genez is what I'm getting. Drop gear..my rear slides and 'skids'..go left right left right...side to side like you said.

 

Do you mean I should bank a little when I drop my gears? Coz I normally let go of my brakes before I drop my gears.

 

i think is the rear wheel going too fast then cannot match the engine speed after he drop gears therefore "locking" it as the wheel suddenly slows down but the bike speed is still there... have this problem too at johor circuit too at the second last or third last bend that is going up the slope then reach the bend too fast lol almost always eat grass ahaha... me track noob

 

blip your trottle before releasing the clutch? or manually slip the clutch? or best...install slipper clutch

 

lol u must show me next time we meet what u mean by 'manually slip the clutch'...

 

slipper clutch ah..hmm...anyone sponsor?

[AyYa85]

hmmm silly to play corners on singapore road... =)

[NoLogicOne]

haha nologicone.. wat a logic reply u got there........ haha..... which part of jurong? would like to go there to practice leh..... even jon hopkins on my avatar oso scared to bring his knee down...... haha

 

Ha, no lah....that's Sepang. With Dol, Hart, Lucifier, Snakeskin, Neo, AKG them all.

 

hmmmm.. somebody talking about my lowside at the go kart track??

 

Oops....already? On the Mesechinni? Awwww....get well soon. I'm getting withdrawal already. Hate all these waiting.

[FieryGiX]

mmm..pasir gudang ok..but my bike engine not very good....im afraid it can damage my gearbox,engine.etc....due to high speed..dragging...tyres wear and tear.....i will only go to play pasir gudang after i change to new bike.....maybe kent ridge rd....mount faber...just passing by get the feeling of cornering....but i want to know the tecnique of cornering fast but safe...not anyhow corner....and when skidded...blame the road no good...i saw pasir gudang track...very bad..worst then spore road..

 

There is no such things as cornering fast and safe in Singapore..

 

Singapore road may be good. But what about oil stains, sand and gravel left behind by the vehicle in front?

 

Seems like you have not had your first "buang" in Singapore yet?

[Hartholomew]

Bro, now is after office hour.. Our Guru Hart is OFF duty liao..

 

It will make it easy for him to answer ur Q if u also state the kinda bike u riding.. 2 stroke, 4 stroke, 400cc, 600cc, 1000cc etc???

 

Just hangin there and Guru Hart will reply to ur post when he clocks in the morning..

 

YAWWWNNNNN!

 

Good Morning Dol!

 

Wow! First you do me a huge favour by fetching my mistress (M1 = Number one Mistress) back from the clutches of Ryuta from Sepang, now you have labelled me "Guru"????

 

How many "Naan" you want??? HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAA!

 

Anyway thanks again, you saved me a ton of trouble to bring that damn thing back.

 

Anyways, I aint no Guru bro, but thanks for the compliment, means alot coming from you.

 

Hi MetalFyre,

 

Try using the Search Function on the forum to look for threads that have already addressed your problem.

 

This was discussed in "care to explain", by "Sinbingai". Have a cruise through that thread, I am sure that it will help.

 

But by the way, I noticed that you said you only drop the gears AFTER you let off the brakes.

 

That is a big NO NO, you need drop the gears WHILE you are on the brakes. The last thing you want is to unsettle the bike with unecessary movement while turning in. This is crucial and you can see from onboard shots in MotoGP/Superbike/Where Ever, that gears are all done asap preferably before the turn is fully initiated. Brakes are eased off before (safe method)/while turning in(trail braking-advanced method) turn in. This Should be the last thing you do before committing to the turn.

 

Some advice I got from Keith Code while we were in California, carving up some canyons (kidding-I read the book: "Twist of the wrist", be wary of the porn version) - Think of the brake as a speed adjuster, not to STOP. SO if you use your brakes to adjust your entry speed, then let go, then drop the gears, the engine braking you are going to get is going to mess up your entry speed. Moreover, you probably are going to be rushing down the gears as you would be running out of road too! Changing down that quickly is going to lead to rear wheel lock up, which is what you are complaining about in the first place.

 

Sounds like you are relatively new to this game, no offence, just try out some drills that Raptor and I practice, even now!:

 

No Brakes Drill: Ride around the track with no brakes and one gear. This will help you know your throttle better, once you can do this you will have a better understanding of what the throttle does - It works BOTH ways. I do this on the road alot.

 

Once you are comfy with that, add gears and no brakes - this will help you get used to the engine braking and gauge how much you need and when.

 

Once you are familiar, then add brakes.

 

Combine some of our advice with the rest of it from the other thread.

 

Do not rush this, we all probably took months to get this right. Take it easy mate.

 

On behalf of everybody in "ON THE TRACK"

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola - Just call me Hart, title not necessary.

(Dol - Cannot use Guru lah, our "Guru" at Bike Tech surely sue me for copyright infringement! See you soon Dok!)

[slowrider]

looking for anyone who can give me tips of cornering fast on bikes...looking for friends to go riding

 

Looking for anyone who can give me tips of digging a grave fast for me....looking for friends to go to 'HELL' with me since the 7th month is closing fast!!

[mitosis]

wow cornering on kent ridge, BRAVE!

too much of a dose of initial D?!

[Raptor]

Oops....already? On the Mesechinni? Awwww....get well soon. I'm getting withdrawal already. Hate all these waiting.

 

The Marchesinis are still virginal black. No damage to the bike except that the sliders and handguard took the brunt.

 

Going again this coming Sunday to the go kart track. Gonna mix it up with the Honda CRFs, Yamaha YZFs and the KTMs.

 

In the the words of one of the guys there....

 

"Dude, you got to keep on trying to pin it when you turn into the corner, make the back step out and swing the bike around.. you need to pin earlier to get the back to come around on ya. Once ya lean the bike you pin it at the same time to unload the front and get the drive down".

 

Easy for him lor....but he was good. Taught me how to upshift in the middle of corners to get a strong drive out. Quite scary but can be done.

[Hartholomew]

Wah Lau Eh,

 

Raptor I think you are hanging out with Psychopaths.

[EVOIIIGSR]

ok back to topic ...

 

my answer ... practice and more practice ... practice makes perfect ... it does not matter where you practice ... just practice ...

 

i m also looking for frens to go riding and practice ... meet me at GP Esso @ 0845am this Sunday ... I m going to practice ...

[ninja10]

Guru Hart,

 

I believe when you were in California with Keith Code, surely he also mentioned about the 60/40 rule to you, right.

40% of weight at front and 60% weight at rear and trottle control to adjust the suspension.

[Hartholomew]

Guru Hart,

 

I believe when you were in California with Keith Code, surely he also mentioned about the 60/40 rule to you, right.

40% of weight at front and 60% weight at rear and trottle control to adjust the suspension.

 

Heya Ninja,

 

60/40 Rule - May apply but when cornering, things change so much I do not believe that would be 60/40 all the way through the corner, it cant be fixed, but what is mentioned about using the throttle to adjust weight distirbution and keeping the chassis happy definitely is definitely Gold.

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

[MS-13]

go n play corner at GAP or portsdwn rd safer for ya...lolzzz...

[ambasnakeman]

Go And Play Corner At Woodlands Kje(towards Bke) Exit.....got A Few People Die There Before

[FieryGiX]

I think what the rest of us here are trying to say is: don't bother learning how to corner in Singapore road.

 

You wouldn't learn much because of distractions (Traffic, divider, curb, sand, oil) and once you fall, you dunno where you end up. (under a bus, into a divider or tree)

 

Not only that, you also pose a danger to other road users should you lose control.

 

You should practice cornering at the right places like PG or Sepang with proper facilities and proper protection.

[EvilGixxer]

yup. do yr corners @ pg! not like a bugger who tried to corner like siao @ a u-turn and buanged. He did not realise that a police car was behind and ... u can guess the rest...

[sabbaha]

I think what the rest of us here are trying to say is: don't bother learning how to corner in Singapore road.

 

You wouldn't learn much because of distractions (Traffic, divider, curb, sand, oil) and once you fall, you dunno where you end up. (under a bus, into a divider or tree)

 

Not only that, you also pose a danger to other road users should you lose control.

 

You should practice cornering at the right places like PG or Sepang with proper facilities and proper protection.

 

well said!