Bikes that cut you

[crazydj]

Well, TS Still Doesnt Find The Need To Edit His First Post.

 

There are many kinds of racists in the world. But in Singapore, we can commonly find those that are

 

1) Unintentionally racist. They were brought up in an environment where their parents/friends/neighbourhood were either racists and unintentional racists. Using terms like "Black-Black, Chao Tah" etc seems 100% normal to them when describing another race.

 

2) Intentional racists. They KNOW they are racists and are really open about it.

 

3) Closet Racist. They don't say it in their face and think other races cannot understand their language. Racist comments may be passed behind the back and/or even the simplest actions they do or words they say have an underlying racist intent.

 

Oh well.

[chris 525]

Being cut up on the highway is all part of the experience of riding a bike.

If you gonna ride the highway, then ride highway speed, and dun go turtle speeds.

Go turtle speed and will sure irritate someone rushing.

 

If you have to experience what the Johor rider experience each morning crossing the causeway,

then maybe your can understand their riding attitude.

[arthur_chan]

Pls note i've carefully chosen my words; "i think", and it justify with my experience so far, most riders who cut recklessly are malays and this is true; pls note also they include malaysian riders. and i'm not targeting at any race or country; i said most, not all. if u really want to be specific, they include chinese and other races also. however if any malays feels i'm racist, i appoligize, i dont mean your race or you, just someone whom i met happens to be a malay.

 

how do i know he's malay n he's a he, well, he's behind me, so why can't i tell he's a male or female from my mirror. when he passed me, i can see clearly his skin colour and his shape from the side. and no, there's no "i'm malay" behind his helmet. if someone pass by you and you can't tell who he is, i'm so sorry to say you may be blind.

 

also i dont feel there's a need to edit my post, ppl have quoted me. if i can op out of this mislead, i will. but for now, i've done my explanation. do get a mod to judge if you feel that strongly, if the mod still feels i'm wrong, then so be it.

 

back to the point of this thread, the guy was chasing me from the right, if you feel 70-80 on the left most lane is slow, what is the normal speed then? speed limit for expressway is only 90. if thus i'm slow, how about a truck driving 50? if my speed is 80, i'm betting he's chasing me ard 90 or so, with such high speed cutting est 2 lane is safe? not only i fear for my life, but also the risk of killing someone, if you can cut a corner at 90, how many times can u do it? to be more specific, my position around the mid of the filter/exit lane when he cut, although the exit lane is quite long, there's ample space behind to exit safely. i'm sure driving center has taught you to exit early or has everyone forgotten about it. so if i said i riding 90-100 and he still cut me and got into accident, then also my fault cos i'm speeding and/or riding too fast? imo below 80, keep left, 80-90 center, 90 constant, 1st lane (but nobody ride 90 there). another point about filtering to the right when near an exit; that move can only be executed if the whole expressway is clear. a vehicle from your right chasing you would most likely be going straight, thus if you see a vehicle and u cut his path, won't you be road-hogging, or trying to get in trouble with the other guy?

 

another issue to note the other guy is cutting in and exiting late, the turning angle is greater than if he's going straight. i couldn't care less if they cut from 1 split-lane to another on my front and going straight. the speed and control needed on both situation is totally different.

 

finally i've some discrimination about cubs and smaller size bikes doing such move. my company rider is riding a cub too, i've talked to him a couple of times and he told me the wheels are slippery even on dry surface. he's fallen/almost fall a few times when making a long turn exiting an expressway. he told me he's lucky to escape with few bruises and there's no car behind. although cubs cut traffic like knife thru butter, the same knife can cut your hand if you're not careful, esp if you're skinning the butter, thus like walking on thin ice.

 

i guess the most sensible thing is do nothing and thank whoever up there you escaped. clearly there's nothing you can do when someone wants to endanger you.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Arthur - pls don't take the others' criticism too personally, remember we all face the same issues and get irritated about the same things. Some of us are just "used to it" and try also to just ride/drive defensively and get out of the way! Remember there will always be not-so-considerate road users who have not had the same kind of safety awareness you may get from forums such as SBF.

 

I have rode with a lot of Malays on their little custom 'racers' and while they are aggressive they do not wilfully "target" other people on the road. Remember again, not all of us are born with automatic safe-riding instincts. Let's not pinpoint certain demographics.

 

You ride a Pulsar right? In that case your digital meter 70-80 is like normal 2B bike's 80-100 which is perfectly fine on the slow lane.

 

To others: Pls note Pulsar meter shows actual speed as displayed on cars and performance bikes, unlike other 2B bikes where there is a 10-20% overspeed reading.

 

ps - cub tyres slippery on dry - I might want to advise getting good tyres for cubs. Racing boy rims + tubeless + Battlax best. Tube tyres especially cheap ones, cause a lot of trouble. Good news is that good tyres + rim combo for cubs can be had for cheap either in SG or Johore.

[arthur_chan]

You ride a Pulsar right? In that case your digital meter 70-80 is like normal 2B bike's 80-100 which is perfectly fine on the slow lane.

 

To others: Pls note Pulsar meter shows actual speed as displayed on cars and performance bikes, unlike other 2B bikes where there is a 10-20% overspeed reading.

mine is analogue, and i know the speed diff, however i'm refering to my actual speed which i've cross ref with gps.

ps - cub tyres slippery on dry - I might want to advise getting good tyres for cubs. Racing boy rims + tubeless + Battlax best. Tube tyres especially cheap ones, cause a lot of trouble. Good news is that good tyres + rim combo for cubs can be had for cheap either in SG or Johore.

well, it's company property, not something we can go jb su ka chg. by 'slippery' also mean it's light, centrifugal force will be hitting harder when they corner. i'm more worried they lose control than having a 'close encounter scare'.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

mine is analogue, and i know the speed diff, however i'm refering to my actual speed which i've cross ref with gps.

 

well, it's company property, not something we can go jb su ka chg. by 'slippery' also mean it's light, centrifugal force will be hitting harder when they corner. i'm more worried they lose control than having a 'close encounter scare'.

 

Duly noted, thanks for clarifying. Well you appear to be a responsible rider so don't let the discussion discourage you from participating in discussions. We all start somewhere

 

Cubs - they actually have good handling thanks to their super-light design. They are like "submachine guns" in terms of handling. It takes little to no effort to steer them. But unless it's a Yamaha "sports" configured model with proven handling, I wouldn't dare to try anything silly on them. Some of the older designs can be unstable.

[duo]

Pls note i've carefully chosen my words; "i think", and it justify with my experience so far, most riders who cut recklessly are malays and this is true; pls note also they include malaysian riders. and i'm not targeting at any race or country; i said most, not all. if u really want to be specific, they include chinese and other races also. however if any malays feels i'm racist, i appoligize, i dont mean your race or you, just someone whom i met happens to be a malay.

 

how do i know he's malay n he's a he, well, he's behind me, so why can't i tell he's a male or female from my mirror. when he passed me, i can see clearly his skin colour and his shape from the side. and no, there's no "i'm malay" behind his helmet. if someone pass by you and you can't tell who he is, i'm so sorry to say you may be blind.

Is this a sincere apology? Somehow I still find it even more racist than the first post you made. So you judge people by their skin colour? What does that say? I have an Indian colleague who speaks malay fluently and he has been mistaken as a malay guy too many times. Also I have a malay friend who has been mistaken to be a chinese. Funny though he never understands Mandarin. So is it right to classify a person just by their skin colour? You tell me.

 

Thanks for the most valuable information. You must be one heck of an attentive person who takes not of even the slightest detail. I did not know different races have different shapes.

[arthur_chan]

Cubs - they actually have good handling thanks to their super-light design. They are like "submachine guns" in terms of handling. It takes little to no effort to steer them. But unless it's a Yamaha "sports" configured model with proven handling, I wouldn't dare to try anything silly on them. Some of the older designs can be unstable.

 

very true, u see those m'sian bikers ride like snake thru a maze. really give it to them how the manevuer, for a pulsar, i have to think twice cutting from split lane to split lane btw stationery cars.

[Lexanez]

Hmm, this has become kinda sensitive isn't it? Racist comments tend to tingle some nerves huh?

 

Then again, I don't see any racist comments here. So why the hype?

 

Lets see things from Arthur's view 1st since he is the one who started this thread.

 

He as a fellow rider on the road have experienced pleasant and unpleasant events while on the road, luckily he leave those unscathed. Then, definitely those incidents which are unpleasant irk him and he wishes to air his grievances here, hence the this thread.

 

From his observation, he noted that the cause of these not-nice incidents are mostly malays on small cc bikes. That is, in his opinion. Obviously nobody can dispute this because it is a fact that he has experienced 1st hand. This is purely based on what he saw and not on some preconceived notion, besides, the entire riding population is quite large in Singapore so there bound to be some who are giving us a bad name, it is a pity that Arthur had to experience this minority. So give him credit for that, and view things largely based on what he saw, not by assuming that he is trying to create dissent.

 

Of course, Arthur is not entirely blameless. Though the comment "mostly malays" seems to be targeting a specific group but he is only expressing based on what he saw. However, some would not take it lightly and continue to focus on the particular term, that is the Thread Starter is aiming at a particular group.

 

I understand this is a misunderstanding that needs to be corrected, so could Arthur lighten the situation by indicating that it is of his opinion while on the road and specifically to the dangerous minority which comprises of people from differing races. Not the general malay riding population.

 

Also, Crazydj, I believed that there is absolutely no need to elevate the situation by implying that Arthur might be one of those "Racist" groups you mentioned about. It is completely baseless and personally, I feel that there is no point in that other than fanning the flames.

 

Lets keep things in perspective and continue with the discussion of the main topic, that is, bikes that cut you. Not malays on bikes that cut you, so it seems to me.

[arthur_chan]

thanks Lexanez and Pandora's Kitten :3 for the support, i've mentioned earlier if i could take it out, i would, it's really meaningless to debate about this since my intention was never to start this. as said earlier, the fire is already burning, i for one just wish it would die down and provide my explanation and appologies.

 

if the mentioning of a single person's reckless is considered racist, then no matter how i explain wont rest this issue...

 

@duo, by shape meaning fat, thin, large small, gender. i only mention "might", not "is". if u still feel i'm racist, then so be it. no comments...

[crazydj]

Also, Crazydj, I believed that there is absolutely no need to elevate the situation by implying that Arthur might be one of those "Racist" groups you mentioned about. It is completely baseless and personally, I feel that there is no point in that other than fanning the flames.

 

There was no implication of anyone here being classified as one of the groups mentioned.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Just thought of something regarding the 'cutting' issue:

 

Why are we so pissed when "it" happens?

 

 

I don't remember anyone mentioning to me how to react when I see a "driver/rider rushing for time" cut across the 1-3 car safety distance ahead of me, nor the taxis, the multitasking drivers who somehow never see the motorcycle on the road.

 

That is why we get "pissed" as we are faced with an unexpected situation that infringes to our "safety bubble" on the road and presents an immediate threat to personal safety. Any event that breaks a person's rythm has a chance to tick off that emotion called anger.

 

Eventually we all have our means to stay alive and safe on the road "battlefield", and by keeping vigilant we can spot danger before it comes, or plain predict and don't be in the danger spot in the first place. Other riders/drivers, being more enlightened, can suppress the immediate anger and try and see the situation from the other perspective.

 

So... don't try to make the road a battleground. A graceful withdrawal from confrontation makes everyone happy, rather than blocking the "rushing" motorist and causing an accident. Road drama is nothing new. Road rage (or more accurately, aggressive responses), in fact, is evident everywhere, from cars parking to high beam laser battles on the highway.

 

That said, the heroes on the road are those who are tolerant, patient, and do not follow bad examples, but seek to try and influence others that giving way and understanding other motorists, can in fact be a much more effective solution to calming "the battlefield".

 

Back to @arthur_chan's first post, I saw this:

 

how would you react in a situation like this?

 

It's a request for information. If Mr. Chan were being confrontational then it won't be a question mark at the end of it, it'll be something like "don't cut me you @$&*% or I will (insert violent act here)"

 

Communications are like this - they tend to have a different meaning altogether when the words are dissected. Forum first posts are like an essay, there is an introduction/situation report, details/body followed by request for information or action. I find it helps to read the last bit first, just to get an understanding of what TS truly seeks in posting.

 

Once I understood that, emotion-laden statements are fine in my book. Cos if we invited Arthur for a coffee session chances are he will be just a nice guy going to work and back home on his motorcycle, just like the rest of us

[chris 525]

I did my bike test in the UK, and in the UK if you do not ride at expressway speed, the tester will fail you.

So I assume the same would be true here. If you ride too slowly, this will be demerits points in the test.

And 70 kph on a free flow expressway is not expressway speed for bikes.

So Arthur, do youself a favour and ride at the expressway speed. Then less likely to be cut.

[kimmeng]

why so serious?

TS has his point to rant, what is there to be so work up over this small issue?

[arthur_chan]

@Pandora's Kitten :3, u hit the jackpot for my purpose of this thread; discussion and reaction of what to do when you encounter this situation. anger and frustration and going up to chase the guy for a race is never the answer.

 

@chris 525, by highway speed meaning 90km/h even on the left lane? fyi, tp will book u if u exceed even by 1km/h. again fast don't mean safe, if that guy chase u at 110km/h and try the same stunt, u'll get a heart attack or worse. for me if i want to go up to 90km/h, i'll proceed to lane 1&2, usually 2, leaving 1 for those going over 100km/h.

 

to add on to chris, our TP test dont include highway driving, only on normal road which the max is 60km/h. we have 1 part where we need to go up to 40-50ish km/h but it's not compulsary. however if u're too slow will also get points deducted. i dont know what's the speed limit of UK highway, but i suspose it also depend on situation. usually during the test they'll ensure traffic is light for u to cruize up to speed limit.

Edited November 15, 2010 by arthur_chan

[Blahhh]

TS you ride at 70km/h on the expressway, which is slow when compared to the speed allowed. Don't say its only a difference of 20km/h, I am sure u understand that most cars and riders drive/ride in the range of 100km/h-110km/h ANYWAY. And don't ask why 70 is slow when lorries or vans can travel at 50. Why? Coz they are heavy vehicles and NOT a two wheeler like u.

 

You travel slow and people overtake u, u kpkb. Maybe you should ask why others overtake you like that in the first place. People normally won't cut others like that, I dare say that because when I ride my cub, that rarely happens to me. Why? Maybe because of our different riding style, I tend to pace my speed with the tempo of the expressway instead of stubbornly sticking to 70km/h.

 

TS, nothing irritates others then trying to move forward and having someone moving like a turtle. I wonder what were you trying to achieve with making this thread? Obviously it won't change things that keeps happening to you on the roads. Like a saying goes, if you don't like something, you either do something about it (hint: try traveling with the tempo of the expressway) or if that doesn't work, lan2 suck thumb. Complaining doesn't help. AT ALL.

[Lexanez]

Personally I feel that the roads are getting to be unsafe. Overseas riding are much better than Singapore roads.

 

Safety and courtesy campaigns here do not even acknowledge safety issues about the motorcycle, so far, I've only seen the motorcyclists getting involved in accidents and nothing else.

 

70km/h - 80km/h on lane 3 is good enough, there are lorries and vans on lane 3 and would suddenly cut into lane 2 while driving at 60km/h just to overtake another lorry on lane 3. That tends to irate drivers.

 

These days, speed limit doesn't apply to many people, but to you, it does, so ignore naysayers who says speed is not of concern. Speeding is still one of the prime killers on the road. However, if you can, try to ride at 80km/h to 90km/h while at lane 2, that will definitely give enough speed to match with other users of the road.

 

Probably the safety concern here would be looking out for "suspects". Reckless drivers and riders alike have the tendency to display some signs of recklessness before actually zoom-ing pass you. Like, tailgating another car, changing lanes abruptly, etc.

 

The best way would be actively screening your surroundings, stay within a safety distance from any vehicle and be flexible enough to shift from lane 3 to lane 2 or even splitting lanes when the situation calls for it. Look out for warnings, ride as the situation calls. After all, as the board shows "Drive safely for your loved ones" still applies to you. Did I mentioned active safety measures?

Edited November 15, 2010 by Lexanez

[arthur_chan]

well, is it necessary to cut a person's front when there's ample space behind? if my position is near/reaching the exit, i'll gladly let anyone overtake and cut, however u see a slower vehicle and ur intention is to exit yet you go cut his front and exit dont sound dangerous to you?

 

also if i were a car or truck at that speed, would you still dare cutting from the front in that position? i've seen close encounters btw a bike and car, believe me, i worried for the biker. one of my manager also told me he's hit a biker where the biker squeeze lane and he fly off, it wasn't a good feeling for him as a car driver.

Edited November 15, 2010 by arthur_chan

[duo]

It's ok to insult other people like country making bike

but don't like to insulted the own country men

of cause insult other race is illegal in Singapore.

 

But it's OK to insult other country people because of the history ?

Oh well ・・・・・

 

or call "ang moh" ? ・・・・・・Hmmmmm

Well then you should start a petition to rename Ang Mo Kio then as it will be insulting to the ang mohs.

 

Hmm, this has become kinda sensitive isn't it? Racist comments tend to tingle some nerves huh?

In case you did not know we live in a multi-cultural and multi race country. Saying something bad about other races is considered a serious issue.

 

Then again, I don't see any racist comments here. So why the hype?

There isn't? Or you chose not to see it? He did single out a certain race. As mentioned by another forumer read as quoted below.

 

not taking it personal or anything but why do u have to add in "I think they're Malay." his race has nothing to do with the topic at all.

 

It's a racist and unfounded comment. well good luck on the road anw

 

Lets see things from Arthur's view 1st since he is the one who started this thread.

 

He as a fellow rider on the road have experienced pleasant and unpleasant events while on the road, luckily he leave those unscathed. Then, definitely those incidents which are unpleasant irk him and he wishes to air his grievances here, hence the this thread.

 

Of course, Arthur is not entirely blameless. Though the comment "mostly malays" seems to be targeting a specific group but he is only expressing based on what he saw. However, some would not take it lightly and continue to focus on the particular term, that is the Thread Starter is aiming at a particular group.

 

I understand this is a misunderstanding that needs to be corrected, so could Arthur lighten the situation by indicating that it is of his opinion while on the road and specifically to the dangerous minority which comprises of people from differing races. Not the general malay riding population.

You still do not see it? Its definitely expressing based on what he experienced. But could he not to it with tact?

 

thanks Lexanez and Pandora's Kitten :3 for the support, i've mentioned earlier if i could take it out, i would, it's really meaningless to debate about this since my intention was never to start this. as said earlier, the fire is already burning, i for one just wish it would die down and provide my explanation and appologies.

 

if the mentioning of a single person's reckless is considered racist, then no matter how i explain wont rest this issue...

Of course it will not. You just had to single out the race? Race is a very sensitive issue in case you have never realised.

 

@duo, by shape meaning fat, thin, large small, gender. i only mention "might", not "is". if u still feel i'm racist, then so be it. no comments...

Where is this leading to?

 

well, is it necessary to cut a person's front when there's ample space behind? if my position is near/reaching the exit, i'll gladly let anyone overtake and cut, however u see a slower vehicle and ur intention is to exit yet you go cut his front and exit dont sound dangerous to you?

Try travelling on PIE towards Changi. Keep to the most left lane and take the Simei exit. There will be a double white line that separates the most left lane with the rest. See how many will overtake you from the right crossing the double white line just for the Simei exit. If that does not happen then they will cut you from your right just as the double white line ends forcing you to suddenly slow down. After that I believe you can post a rant on your riding experience as long as an essay should be.

 

also if i were a car or truck at that speed, would you still dare cutting from the front in that position? i've seen close encounters btw a bike and car, believe me, i worried for the biker. one of my manager also told me he's hit a biker where the biker squeeze lane and he fly off, it wasn't a good feeling for him as a car driver.

Don't worry. Drivers seem to be able to have a good night sleep even after hitting a cyclist. Thinking it was a tree branch. That is why there are so many hit and run. Edited November 15, 2010 by duo

[Lexanez]

Well, duo, is there really a need to explode this matter? I sense your hostility and it really seems like you do not want to end this amicably. That, I do not understand at all.

 

Anyway, personally I feel that a racist remark should be something like "The xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx people are such a boor!". That is a affirmation that the person who made comment seriously believed so. In saying "I think", it meant in his opinion and unable to confirm but generally that idea. Of course, there is absolutely no hostile remark to the general malay riding population, is there?

 

I believed that my post is quite clear about where Arthur had gone wrong and should go to correct it, he has done so. He even managed an apology, so is that not enough?

 

And, now you are being biased against drivers. You already decided that drivers do not have a conscience, even indicated that,

 

Drivers seem to be able to have a good night sleep even after hitting a cyclist

 

Now, there is the condemnation.

 

Thinking it was a tree branch. That is why there are so many hit and run.

 

There are still good drivers out there, you know.

 

I hope you'll see my point. Arthur here, only mentioned about the minority of reckless riders on the road which encompasses all races.

 

However, in his experience, those reckless riders he saw was, unfortunately mostly malays. I've re-read his comments umpteen times and found no indication of this applying to the general malay population.

 

So, as per your comment. Could't you just advise him not to made this kind of comments instead of flaring up? So simmer down and accept his apology on face value.

 

P.S Ang Mo Kio refers to Tomato in Hokkien as that area used to be a farm for Tomatoes.

 

Hmm, this has become kinda sensitive isn't it? Racist comments tend to tingle some nerves huh?

In case you did not know we live in a multi-cultural and multi race country. Saying something bad about other races is considered a serious issue.

 

PP.S Um, that is a rhetorical question.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Lexanez

[duo]

Well, duo, is there really a need to explode this matter? I sense your hostility and it really seems like you do not want to end this amicably. That, I do not understand at all.

Hostility? Is there any? Sorry if I somehow portray any hostility. I am actually laughing to how he was expecting the roads to be.

 

Anyway, personally I feel that a racist remark should be something like "The xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx people are such a boor!". That is a affirmation that the person who made comment seriously believed so. In saying "I think", it meant in his opinion and unable to confirm but generally that idea. Of course, there is absolutely no hostile remark to the general malay riding population, is there?

So what race are you may I ask?

 

I believed that my post is quite clear about where Arthur had gone wrong and should go to correct it, he has done so. He even managed an apology, so is that not enough?

Just like how you sense hostility in my replies I sense he is not sincere in his apology.

 

And, now you are being biased against drivers. You already decided that drivers do not have a conscience, even indicated that,

 

 

 

Now, there is the condemnation.

 

 

 

There are still good drivers out there, you know.

I see what you did there. Smart.

 

I hope you'll see my point. Arthur here, only mentioned about the minority of reckless riders on the road which encompasses all races.

 

However, in his experience, those reckless riders he saw was, unfortunately mostly malays. I've re-read his comments umpteen times and found no indication of this applying to the general malay population.

 

So, as per your comment. Could't you just advise him not to made this kind of comments instead of flaring up? So simmer down and accept his apology on face value.

Someone already did.

 

P.S Ang Mo Kio refers to Tomato in Hokkien as that area used to be a farm for Tomatoes.

The term ang mo (literally "red hair") is a somewhat derogatory Hokkien reference to the people with fair hair who settled from the West.

[chris 525]

Mr Arthur, when in Rome do as the Romans

 

The big truck and bus are the king of the road, they can do what they want, but they are clumsy and slow to react. And do not get hurt when colliding with small bike.

 

The bike is small, fast and agile, and like a boxer, can float like a butterfly or sting like a bee.

 

The TP is there to make the highway safer for you. If your are flowing with the highway, then they will not notice you. they will go for vehicles that are standing out, excessive speeding, aggressive behaviour, etc.

 

Your pulsar, should manage 120 kph no problem, and acceleration should be good enough to react when you need.

 

So when on the highway, for your survival be like the roman, and not like a turtle.

 

It is dangerous for you to cruise at 70 kph when everyone else going 20 kph faster.

[Lim Ah Wan]

well, is it necessary to cut a person's front when there's ample space behind? if my position is near/reaching the exit, i'll gladly let anyone overtake and cut, however u see a slower vehicle and ur intention is to exit yet you go cut his front and exit dont sound dangerous to you?

 

also if i were a car or truck at that speed, would you still dare cutting from the front in that position? i've seen close encounters btw a bike and car, believe me, i worried for the biker. one of my manager also told me he's hit a biker where the biker squeeze lane and he fly off, it wasn't a good feeling for him as a car driver.

 

So What's Your Motive Of Starting This Thread After All? To Let Others Know That Malay Riders On Cubs Have Attitude Problem?

 

Ive Also Experience Alot Of Ah Bengs Doing The Same Thing As What You Experienced But I Dun Find The Need To Start A Thread. Even If I Need To, I Will Not Mention Any Race Coz The Ah Bengs Will Feel Why Mention Them Only? Got Lots Of Other Races Behaving The Same As Them. This Is What Its Called Stereotyping.

 

But Still, These Kind Of Things Also Want To Start A Thread.

 

Maybe I Should Start A Thread Too Coz Im Pissed Enough Of Ah Bengs On SP Riding In Front Of Me With Lots Of Smoke Coming Out From Their Pipe.

 

But Im Matured Enough To Know That Its Sumthing Petty & Not Worth The Commotion.

 

So To All Malay Riders There Riding Cubs, The Next Time You See A Chinese Guy On A Pulsar, Make Sure You Signal Early & Smile & Wave At Him That You Wanna Overtake Him & When You're Done Overtaking Him, Turn Around & Shout Thank You.

 

That Should Settle The Problem Right TS?

Edited November 15, 2010 by Lim Ah Wan

[DeusExMachina]

Personally I feel that the roads are getting to be unsafe. Overseas riding are much better than Singapore roads.

 

Safety and courtesy campaigns here do not even acknowledge safety issues about the motorcycle, so far, I've only seen the motorcyclists getting involved in accidents and nothing else.

 

70km/h - 80km/h on lane 3 is good enough, there are lorries and vans on lane 3 and would suddenly cut into lane 2 while driving at 60km/h just to overtake another lorry on lane 3. That tends to irate drivers.

 

These days, speed limit doesn't apply to many people, but to you, it does, so ignore naysayers who says speed is not of concern. Speeding is still one of the prime killers on the road. However, if you can, try to ride at 80km/h to 90km/h while at lane 2, that will definitely give enough speed to match with other users of the road.

 

Probably the safety concern here would be looking out for "suspects". Reckless drivers and riders alike have the tendency to display some signs of recklessness before actually zoom-ing pass you. Like, tailgating another car, changing lanes abruptly, etc.

 

The best way would be actively screening your surroundings, stay within a safety distance from any vehicle and be flexible enough to shift from lane 3 to lane 2 or even splitting lanes when the situation calls for it. Look out for warnings, ride as the situation calls. After all, as the board shows "Drive safely for your loved ones" still applies to you. Did I mentioned active safety measures?

 

 

Don't quote traffic laws verbatim. Likewise, don't apply driving school theories to the real world/road.

Or put simply, be streetsmart, not exam smart.

 

Spouting traffic campaign ads like "speeding kills" bla bla bla only gets you feel good brownie points. The real world is harsher than that.

 

The ironic thing is to ride by the book at 80kph and get run over by a speeding truck from behind.

Sometimes you have to use your brains and improvise.

[arthur_chan]

Try travelling on PIE towards Changi. Keep to the most left lane and take the Simei exit. There will be a double white line that separates the most left lane with the rest. See how many will overtake you from the right crossing the double white line just for the Simei exit. If that does not happen then they will cut you from your right just as the double white line ends forcing you to suddenly slow down. After that I believe you can post a rant on your riding experience as long as an essay should be.

 

i know where u're refering to, last time i use that road everyday, sometimes seeing a TP sitting by the road shoulder. the double white line seperates any vehicles on the right to exit, thus forcing any vehicles who want to exit to keep left and Q up, or end up breaking the law. many ppl like to cut in and exit late, thus the white line deters this scenerio. i really wish there were more white lines like this on the road, it will induce more safety. thanks duo, you've given a very good example where law steps in to deter such scenerio.

 

i think some of you dont know where i'm going with this. all the lessons with driving center are forgotten: slowing down, keep left, exit early, dont anyhow overtake, check blind spot, etc. thus with the scene if i were a truck, nobody dares to do that stunt, i'm wondering why it's ok with a bike. some of you guys may be ok with killing another life and sleep peacefully, i'm not, i killed a frog accidently once and it bothered me for weeks, i even prayed for the poor soul to have a good place up there.

 

@chris, i've met dozens of tp on the highway, sometimes forgotten to on my lights which i later realized. i usually ride 60-80 on the highway, thus 'not flowing with traffic' also 'stands out from traffic' like you said. it makes me wonder why they never ever once second-look at me, since my speed is 'too slow'.

 

on the same topic, i had a friend who got stopped by tp for speeding at est 93 (forgot the exact num), he didn't beg for leniency but argued that speed camera clocked at +10, so his speed should be all right. tp told him in his face: even if u go at 91, i'll still book u and that's according to my meter, i dont care how much ur meter is showing.

 

as for the whole racist thing, i never revealed my race, for all you know, i could be a malay, so a malay saying a malay is racist? and i wondered how many of you have met me in person to know i'm chinese. well if any of you still feel strongly about it, i would suggest getting a mod to judge. as said earlier, if mod feels i'm wrong, and feels i should deserve warning points, i gladly accept. no use arguing about it since it will never come to an end.

 

finally i should end my last post for this thread, no point discussing further. fyi, i like being a turtle for all the good reasons on the road, if need be, i'm a roman too. however being reckless doesnt come with a good end, i've learnt it the painful way. also if u met a pulsar on the road, pls dont play, some of my friends could be quite reckless, and they're not so forgiving for small matters on the road. take care and drive/ride safe or whatever works for you on the road.