Who's in the right?

[wait4me]

i would like to ask

 

at a t junction , with a sign board saying turn left on red.

 

a car check that no oncoming car approaches and proceeds to turn left,

a bike came along and squeeze on the left side of the car,

if the car hits the driver while turning left,

whos at fault ??

[crazydj]

i would like to ask

 

at a t junction , with a sign board saying turn left on red.

 

a car check that no oncoming car approaches and proceeds to turn left,

a bike came along and squeeze on the left side of the car,

if the car hits the driver while turning left,

whos at fault ??

 

The rider. But as in all insurance claims, who got witnesses and all that crap comes into play.

[RageMyDream]

If the bike is coming, the driver should have seen it and should not attempt to move.

If the driver checks, sees no vehicle and moves out, then sudden the bike comes. Either the driver is taking his own sweet time or the other is coming very fast.

[GuiNNeSS]

The Rider is at fault.

[byon]

 

1.) I was riding a scooter, a guy came out from between the cars just like what you might have done. With signal or not also useless, how to see the signal lights flashing when we are same height with the cars and his lights would be lower from our line of sight? He came out and only stopped when it was too late, i jammed my rear brakes - due to inexperience, fishtailed my rear towards where his leg was, and whacked him straight. From the impact that i hit his leg area, my tail came back straight and off i went. Dunno whether or not i injured his leg, but honestly, i don't care. Because of his recklessness he almost cos both of us injuries., not to mention some every pissed drivers.

 

To riders reading this, please make a habit to stop during a minor or major accident. You won't regret spending extra 1 minute checking out other party's status and yourself and your bike.

[guangwei]

Both in the wrong, as TS was squeezing out from between cars.

 

The other party is wrong for riding between cars.

 

But on this matter. TS is in the wrong. Filtering, with signal lights, does not makes it safe to filter. You as a rider/pedestrain/motorist, has a obligation to make sure its safe to do so. Not only for yourself, but for other road users.

 

BTW, I hope TS is apologetic to the Rider going straight. Or else, this is all going to be for us to rant at inconsiderate road user TS.

 

I just passed not long ago and according to BBDC instructor it is not illegal to lane split in heavy traffic but one must bear the consequences and should only go when you are confident..

[byon]

I just passed not long ago and according to BBDC instructor it is not illegal to lane split in heavy traffic but one must bear the consequences and should only go when you are confident..

 

I only do lane split when there are two cars are adjacent to each other and both in a safe distance from me. At least this gives you time to react when you need. Also have situation awareness on what is going on around you, look at the mirrors every 5-10seconds to find out whose around, this also helps you divert away from incoming danger.

[RaidoN]

i would like to ask

 

at a t junction , with a sign board saying turn left on red.

 

a car check that no oncoming car approaches and proceeds to turn left,

a bike came along and squeeze on the left side of the car,

if the car hits the driver while turning left,

whos at fault ??

 

Both.

Driver failed to check blindspot.

I believe during our practical time, i got f by one instructor for squeezing at the side even thot there's alot of space.. 1 car 1 lane.

Anw, i work in a insurance company last time.. seen quite alot of report. Even you think it is not your fault, TP will write a damn list of what you failed to check lol..

[xue ling]

well that was wat i mention

and i said first lane is for overtaking

 

his insistence is such that if u are really in a hurry , u could have switch lane instead of highbeaming and tailgating

and my insistence is such that he should have stayed at lane 2 since its clear ....

 

and oh well that concludes our lavender foodcourt debate

 

i was there and that was one long debate :lol:

[Jehuty]

I only do lane split when there are two cars are adjacent to each other and both in a safe distance from me. At least this gives you time to react when you need. Also have situation awareness on what is going on around you, look at the mirrors every 5-10seconds to find out whose around, this also helps you divert away from incoming danger.

 

I think not many or none check mirrors every 5-10 secs, my mirrors are completely useless for checking what's behind, I do check my blindspots, only when lane changing.

[GuiNNeSS]

I just passed not long ago and according to BBDC instructor it is not illegal to lane split in heavy traffic but one must bear the consequences and should only go when you are confident..

 

Please identify that (dont know which way to die) BBDC instructor.

[DeusExMachina]

Both.

Even you think it is not your fault, TP will write a damn list of what you failed to check lol..

 

Ya lah. By the book mah.

The irony is that even they themselves will fail that list in practice.

[GuiNNeSS]

Ya lah. By the book mah.

The irony is that even they themselves will fail that list in practice.

 

Agree. So much easier to say, but sooooo hard to do.

[WanFazer]

Delete post..

Edited February 17, 2012 by WanFazer

[WanFazer]

Both.

Driver failed to check blindspot.

I believe during our practical time, i got f by one instructor for squeezing at the side even thot there's alot of space.. 1 car 1 lane.

Anw, i work in a insurance company last time.. seen quite alot of report. Even you think it is not your fault, TP will write a damn list of what you failed to check lol..

 

Beg to differ, its totally e bikers fault for overtaking on e LEFT at e junction.. Who on earth while turning check e blindspot ?? U only overtake a vehicle from e left when that vehicle is stationery, eg traffic light.. But in e scenario above, e rider shud let e car turn left first n he follow behind.. Stupid mistakes but saw it daily..

[WanFazer]

I only do lane split when there are two cars are adjacent to each other and both in a safe distance from me. At least this gives you time to react when you need. Also have situation awareness on what is going on around you, look at the mirrors every 5-10seconds to find out whose around, this also helps you divert away from incoming danger.

 

Totally agree ..

[aRcHeR]

" I lane split each morning at high speed " ... I hope u will met with accident or get ur license revoke n stay away from e road for very long time coz pple like u gave e bikers community a bad name.. N to think that ur one of SBF Moderator, instead of promoting safety riding, u r telling us otherwise.. Shame on you !!!

No doubt lane splitting is an offence but we have to do it if not all of us gonna reach our destination very much later but do it with caution n not like tis mangkuk who proudly states he did it at high speed... Defensive riding, that's wat lacking in e riders, especially those young ones.. But then again, no point advising so much coz these group of pple juz wnt repent n learn.. I only hope that these reckless riders will met with a very bad accident n let their families, especially, their parents suffer to take care of them when they r crippled n bedridden that is IF they r still alive, actually if die even better, less such riders on e road..

 

is there a need to curse at someone just because he/she lanesplits at whatever speed?

 

the definition of high speed in his context could be 10-20kmh faster than the 4 wheelers, your context could be 20-40kmh faster than 4 wheelers. so who are you to judge that he/she indeed is travelling at HIGH speed?

 

safety riding, there isn't really such a thing. the moment you get on your bike, you are at risk inevitably, like it or not. you expose yourself to self-induced risk, and other risks which may be caused by other road users. you ride defensively, you get makan-ed by 4 wheelers. instead, look out for them and their tell-tale signs, and pre-empt their actions. in that way, only then you can avoid getting into any incidents/accidents.

 

and seriously, whether he/she is a mod or not, doesn't reflect the POV of SBF entirely. each and every user on the forum has the right to express his/her own views/opinions.

[GuiNNeSS]

" I lane split each morning at high speed " ... I hope u will met with accident or get ur license revoke n stay away from e road for very long time coz pple like u gave e bikers community a bad name.. N to think that ur one of SBF Moderator, instead of promoting safety riding, u r telling us otherwise.. Shame on you !!!

No doubt lane splitting is an offence but we have to do it if not all of us gonna reach our destination very much later but do it with caution n not like tis mangkuk who proudly states he did it at high speed... Defensive riding, that's wat lacking in e riders, especially those young ones.. But then again, no point advising so much coz these group of pple juz wnt repent n learn.. I only hope that these reckless riders will met with a very bad accident n let their families, especially, their parents suffer to take care of them when they r crippled n bedridden that is IF they r still alive, actually if die even better, less such riders on e road..

 

seriously i hope wat u said will instead befall on you ...then u will learn to shut ur trap

 

lane splitting at high speed ( high speed here is subjective) does not equate to no defensive riding ....if you are that old and wise .....i don't see that from the way you verbal diarrhoea curses to others

[FB666Y]

Lane-splitting has become a dirty word, or phrase.

Reading the forum (and not just this thread) you'd think it was completely illegal.

Here's the Road Traffic Act: http://agcvldb4.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_retrieve.pl?&actno=Reved-276&date=latest&method=part

You can use the handy search button and see if you can find and reference to lane splitting.

 

I have also yet to come across anyone who has been fine/penalised for splitting lanes.

What you're commonly booked for is the lenient "inconsiderate riding/driving" or the more serious "reckless riding/driving" statutes.

I got one a few months back: I lane splitted along Sims Avenue through several vehicles and I made some driver slammed on his brake (allegedly mind you).

The TP who materialise from thin air never mentioned my lane splitting, just that I caused the driver to slam his brakes.

 

 

In the scenario illustrated by wait4me I'd say the rider is at fault.

I do the same all the time and Im leery of where the car is and the reaction of the car.

I wont try to occupy the same space the turning car is turning into.

 

WanFazer holier-than-thou outlook is a bit discouraging.

What biting_point does in his prerogative - he could ride naked for all I care.

Thats his choice. He might get a love letter from the TP or have a messy end.

But those are his choices - same freedom we have when we ride with slippers or shorts.

Luckily not everything is government-controlled. Not yet at least.

[duo]

To me ts is in the wrong. The other rider have right of way. When you get on a bike you are already risking yourself of getting hurt. Be it how old you are safety or defensive riding it just takes a reckless driver to end it all. We as riders only have each other to look out for our survival on the road. No one else will. If we do not we will sooner or later be roadkill.

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[biting_point]

" I lane split each morning at high speed " ... I hope u will met with accident or get ur license revoke n stay away from e road for very long time coz pple like u gave e bikers community a bad name.. N to think that ur one of SBF Moderator, instead of promoting safety riding, u r telling us otherwise.. Shame on you !!!

No doubt lane splitting is an offence but we have to do it if not all of us gonna reach our destination very much later but do it with caution n not like tis mangkuk who proudly states he did it at high speed... Defensive riding, that's wat lacking in e riders, especially those young ones.. But then again, no point advising so much coz these group of pple juz wnt repent n learn.. I only hope that these reckless riders will met with a very bad accident n let their families, especially, their parents suffer to take care of them when they r crippled n bedridden that is IF they r still alive, actually if die even better, less such riders on e road..

 

 

@WanFazer thanks for the feedback..

 

Firstly, I would like to say that being a SBF Moderator does not straight away put me up as a safe rider, nor a safety riding ambassador..

Safe Riding is subjective.. Slow is safe??

did I in anyway preach/encourage others to lane split??

I'm illustrating that in the speeds of most lane spliting bikes, in no way can one stop in time if another biker dashes out without care at the correct timing..

Did I place any tangible figures to my "high speeds"?

 

Secondly, do you lane split?

Lane split at a slower speed then the caged vehicles?

Sorry, you did mentioned you DO lane split..

So in that sentence of mine you quoted, what makes you think I lane split without care?

Who would be in right of mind to lane speed without caution??

 

Thirdly, do you have friends/family members that ride/drive recklessly??

Do you curse them like this too??

I only hope that these reckless riders will met with a very bad accident n let their families, especially, their parents suffer to take care of them when they r crippled n bedridden that is IF they r still alive, actually if die even better, less such riders on e road..

if no, I'll be happy for you..

otherwise, it would be sad to know such someone like you..

riding 15 laps around there is sensible but not reckless riding i guess??

do reflect on oneself before judging others..

 

Lastly, calling names and cursing ppl to death is uncalled for..

SBF Posting Rules & Regulations

e) Defamation against any party.

l) Flame wars/Abusive Postings

Who are you to throw judgement on me? Even if you are capable doing so, who are you to curse me?

 

I do demand an apology right here at this thread..

[jB]

Aiyo, cl2 riders here against each other for what? The moment you ride a cl2 in SG, you know you sure have to speed to prevent bike from overheating and you will still lanesplit regardless of side panniers or wide mirrors/handlebars. Used to follow speed limit and it was very hot and tiring on a fairing bike. Time was really slowing down

[jB]

" I lane split each morning at high speed " ... I hope u will met with accident or get ur license revoke n stay away from e road for very long time coz pple like u gave e bikers community a bad name.. N to think that ur one of SBF Moderator, instead of promoting safety riding, u r telling us otherwise.. Shame on you !!!

No doubt lane splitting is an offence but we have to do it if not all of us gonna reach our destination very much later but do it with caution n not like tis mangkuk who proudly states he did it at high speed... Defensive riding, that's wat lacking in e riders, especially those young ones.. But then again, no point advising so much coz these group of pple juz wnt repent n learn.. I only hope that these reckless riders will met with a very bad accident n let their families, especially, their parents suffer to take care of them when they r crippled n bedridden that is IF they r still alive, actually if die even better, less such riders on e road..

 

lak ah, your gahment also will commit mistakes mah no human is perfect. There's no need to put a curse on others especially when family is involved which makes it sensitive a personal attack. Surely every biker will fall no matter how good he is, same for driving. Its just whether its major or minor. I gotta admit I fall when I ride slow so fast is the preferred way of riding.

 

Then again, how fast is fast and how slow is slow?

 

Some 2b bikers tell me 199km/h for their bikes is fast and then 2a and cl2 some also say the same but whilst some cl2 bikers say 299 also not fast enough

 

So how safe is safe then?

 

Aye don't flame or curse me ah, my family no time to take care of me and I'm already on wheelchair at times on and off

[hit.man]

This is our Righteous Singapore Biker... I don't know who you are but I will find out soon when I read about your accident in tomorrow's paper... Probably can't get the photo of you since the face would be too smashed up under the lorry.... hope you don't die cuz it will be quite an amusement to see how your family suffers by taking care of this junk!

 

 

" I lane split each morning at high speed " ... I hope u will met with accident or get ur license revoke n stay away from e road for very long time coz pple like u gave e bikers community a bad name.. N to think that ur one of SBF Moderator, instead of promoting safety riding, u r telling us otherwise.. Shame on you !!!

No doubt lane splitting is an offence but we have to do it if not all of us gonna reach our destination very much later but do it with caution n not like tis mangkuk who proudly states he did it at high speed... Defensive riding, that's wat lacking in e riders, especially those young ones.. But then again, no point advising so much coz these group of pple juz wnt repent n learn.. I only hope that these reckless riders will met with a very bad accident n let their families, especially, their parents suffer to take care of them when they r crippled n bedridden that is IF they r still alive, actually if die even better, less such riders on e road..

[ticks]

To riders reading this, please make a habit to stop during a minor or major accident. You won't regret spending extra 1 minute checking out other party's status and yourself and your bike.

 

Divert back a bit through the rough mood here. Byon, I didn't mention that I was in msia. But had I stopped, chances are I wont have the chance to type here. Once you stop, you will probably leave on a 4 wheeler and some flashing lights on the top. And have a good taste of hospital food. People there are not so kind hearted like here in Sg.

 

 

Ride safe people!!