Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[trex101]

Sorry i got no contact with Shell company.

 

If you after a good fully syn HDEO, why not try Schaeffer 5w40 or 5w50? I just did a check and both Schaeffer engine oil performs 0/0 for both ASTM D892 and High Temp Foam Test D6082, no foam at all. If this oil were to lower your oil temperature, then we can confirmed that it's the foaming that cause the temperature increase and not other thing.

[Isopropyl]

Sorry i got no contact with Shell company.

 

If you after a good fully syn HDEO, why not try Schaeffer 5w40 or 5w50? I just did a check and both Schaeffer engine oil performs 0/0 for both ASTM D892 and High Temp Foam Test D6082, no foam at all. If this oil were to lower your oil temperature, then we can confirmed that it's the foaming that cause the temperature increase and not other thing.

 

i was poking around and found this thread.

 

it seem other have a temperature drop using HDEO. well, things is all over the map.

 

not really fair comparing Schaeffer IMO. the oil have 300ppm of moly and other schaeffer own FM. their oil is well-known to bring down temperature for harley.

[Isopropyl]

check up this

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1980 Honda Goldwing with 1.1 million miles survive on Delo 400 dino oil. OCI is about 1000 miles and not more then 1500 miles.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Sorry i got no contact with Shell company.

 

If you after a good fully syn HDEO, why not try Schaeffer 5w40 or 5w50? I just did a check and both Schaeffer engine oil performs 0/0 for both ASTM D892 and High Temp Foam Test D6082, no foam at all. If this oil were to lower your oil temperature, then we can confirmed that it's the foaming that cause the temperature increase and not other thing.

 

Cool! I don't mind getting a few litres of the 5w50. I'm left with about 2 litres of rimula after 3 oil changes (that's about 9,000km on HDEO!) so by CNY next year I'll need new oil to experiment. What is the MSRP of Schaeffer and the unit size (1L? 1 gallon?)

[trex101]

We have to narrow down and find out what's causing the oil temperature increase and if foaming is the culprit. 50ml of foam is alot for ACEA E4 to E7 spec diesel oil. So if you can find a non-foaming HDEO to test, it would answer alot of question scientifically on what is suitable and what's not.

 

Foaming causing a spike in oil temperature.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1765/foaming-in-oil

[trex101]

deleted. double post again.

[trex101]

$13/quart for Schaeffer 5w50. Test it out and monitor/record the temperature. I'm curious to find out if my theory is correct

[Isopropyl]

$13/quart for Schaeffer 5w50. Test it out and monitor/record the temperature. I'm curious to find out if my theory is correct

 

great information about foaming!!! thks for the effort.

 

hehehe... i won't mind getting some Schaeffer 5W40.

[Hydher]

Yes, i'm curious if it's suitable too because many of my customers bought CI-4+ or CJ-4 spec fully syn diesel engine oil like RP 10w40 and Schaeffer 9k 5w40 for their bike. Was told there's no clutch slippage and service just like 4T.

 

Anyway, i did some read up, only 1 article come close to what we after but as stated in the last paragraph, as long it has API "S" standard, it should be fine.

 

See link below:

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28576/comparing-gasoline-diesel-engine-oils-

 

got from lubeszone? those are excellent oil. wanted to get some myself too before i settle with Delo 400. 300ppm of moly!!! enjoy...

 

Yep from lubeszone. Thank you . will give it a try. Surprisingly im using royal purple 10w40 sae now, its smoother than rock oil but my fc is not as good.

[Hydher]

Yes, i'm curious if it's suitable too because many of my customers bought CI-4+ or CJ-4 spec fully syn diesel engine oil like RP 10w40 and Schaeffer 9k 5w40 for their bike. Was told there's no clutch slippage and service just like 4T.

 

Anyway, i did some read up, only 1 article come close to what we after but as stated in the last paragraph, as long it has API "S" standard, it should be fine.

 

See link below:

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28576/comparing-gasoline-diesel-engine-oils-

 

$13/quart for Schaeffer 5w50. Test it out and monitor/record the temperature. I'm curious to find out if my theory is correct

 

Hi terence, Upss for mxtradings. Im a supporter and i know your staff there (:

Your prices are great and always well stocked (: Just FYI, its stated on royal purple and schaeffers website that its safe for motorcycle use. Its also has the API rating. SL or sm i cant remember. cheers.

 

great information about foaming!!! thks for the effort.

 

hehehe... i won't mind getting some Schaeffer 5W40.

 

Thanks. You have been very informative (:

[trex101]

Hey, I'm newbie in 4T crowd here, it's a steep learning curve for me and i need to find out fast what is suitable or great for your motorcyle darling

Edited November 24, 2011 by trex101

[carbine]

@[c]arbine - Rimula has no clutch slippage, infact low rpm clutch engagement is much better. This may be a bad thing for high revving bikes as increased clutch friction means higher temperature.

 

@ludacris10 - that's why I'm recommending you leave the HDEO experiments to more simple single cylinder 2B bikes first. If something goes really wrong my overhaul is only $400, yours will be much more expensive!

 

You might also be interested to know some S4 riders tried 50-weight oil that a lot of Phantom riders seem to like (Chex 9000 10W50) and reported immediate loss of acceleration. OWS brand, don't even try. Cause a lot of problems. If your current oil works, stick with it My bike may like HDEO, but I can't say the same for your bike.

 

Unless someone has a older S4 (spec 1?) going to scrap in the next couple of years, knows how to monitor engine temperature and don't mind using it as a HDEO testbed.

 

maybe the rimula wont slip for a s4 or phantom i dont know, but if it don’t slp for a bike doesn’t mean that it wont slip for other bikes, especially higher powered bikes, >100 bhp ones

and also taking into consideration the different clutch materials, different spring stiffness. And we don’t usually find a car/van that’s can rev up to more then 10 000rpm but a bike can do that easily, the oil that is design for a car might not be able to take the higher rpms. And also, properties of the oil like foaming of the oil etc etc

But well, imo its all personal preference, if someone had been using it w/o any problems and can save $$, why not….

[trex101]

arbine;7386744']maybe the rimula wont slip for a s4 or phantom i dont know, but if it don’t slp for a bike doesn’t mean that it wont slip for other bikes, especially higher powered bikes, >100 bhp ones

and also taking into consideration the different clutch materials, different spring stiffness. And we don’t usually find a car/van that’s can rev up to more then 10 000rpm but a bike can do that easily, the oil that is design for a car might not be able to take the higher rpms. And also, properties of the oil like foaming of the oil etc etc

But well, imo its all personal preference, if someone had been using it w/o any problems and can save $$, why not….

 

i'm not 100% sure if it's the foaming that caused the oil temperature increase but there are still HDEO that are 0% foam free under any condition(ASTM D892 and High Temp Foam Test D6082). Don't discount HDEO off, with knowledge sharing and testing, you will never know if that cheap fully syn HDEO is right for your bike.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

i'm not 100% sure if it's the foaming that caused the oil temperature increase but there are still HDEO that are 0% foam free under any condition(ASTM D892 and High Temp Foam Test D6082). Don't discount HDEO off, with knowledge sharing and testing, you will never know if that cheap fully syn HDEO is right for your bike.

 

Yes this is a strange thing - Rimula widespread use in Malaysia on bikes, Rotella in the States, huge market as a bike oil (it's even supported officially by Shell over there), apparently no problems at all.

 

But, the phantom and the cb750 here in Singapore seems to both suffer from increased oil temps the moment HDEO is put in. CB750 isn't taking the risk and switched back to normal bike oil, phantom apparently still can run albeit sticking to lower revs and tuning the bike just to run on Rimula.

 

@trex101 - I'll take note of the timing of your warehouse opening and get the Schaeffer race oil one of these days. Wasn't able to make the timing last week and there was the issue about rain too.

[CivicStar]

Is Motul eo recommended for smaller cc or bigger cc?

[s4dreamer]

Is Motul eo recommended for smaller cc or bigger cc?

 

I've used Motul Semi-Syn on my bikes before... be it Phantom 200 or FZ6. However, I still like the Chex 9000 Engine Oil a lot. Makes the feel of the bike smooth.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Is Motul eo recommended for smaller cc or bigger cc?

 

Big or small, Motul works just as well. It's my default foolproof choice for anything.

 

Though, it does cost more $$$, hence wanting to try something just as good and cheaper.

[alien86]

Is Motul eo recommended for smaller cc or bigger cc?

Motul Oil is good but the price really increased alot.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

@trex101 - thanks very much for the invitation to the 'warehouse'. I finally went there at the correct timing and bought the Schaeffer 7000 series 20W50 'racing' oil.

 

Immediately went to Planet Motors to change oil as my last oil change was something like 5000km ago (yep, on a phantom, runs fine ).

 

The new oil is really good. It feels like any other 50-weight, with a quiet and smooth idle, does a good job 'cushioning' the noise of an aircooled engine. But once on the move the quality additive package in the oil works wonders. It's smooth and powerful and although the oil has moly content, it does not affect clutch operation.

 

Using HDEO (Rimula) the optimal driving style seems to be something like dump the clutch as low a rpm as possible then wide open throttle to max out the low and mid range torque. Bike shoots ahead like a turbodiesel, but runs out of top end due to excessive heat buildup.

 

Using other 'racing' 4T like Pennzoil Titanium the optimal shift method is do the opposite and rev the damn thing like a 2 stroke. Bike runs splendid at Malaysian highway speeds, but launching fast from traffic lights is impossible due to slippage.

 

 

Using Schaeffer oil the engine performs much more like a 'cruising' motorcycle, with a smooth but throaty idle and accelerates through all the gears without complaint. No excessive throttle and gearshifting work required. Just cruise through the night (Schaeffer 20W50 is advertised as "V-Twin approved" and acts the part).

 

Schaeffer may not have the local popularity of say, Motul, but a quality oil for $11? Pwnage.

[CSV]

schaeffer looks good.

 

was considering royal purple at first, but for 11 bucks, i just might try schaffer. and mxtradings is just near planet also. best of both world.

 

now question is 40 weight or 50 weight. my phantom seems to prefer 40 weight. lighter feeling.

[trex101]

schaeffer looks good.

 

was considering royal purple at first, but for 11 bucks, i just might try schaffer. and mxtradings is just near planet also. best of both world.

 

now question is 40 weight or 50 weight. my phantom seems to prefer 40 weight. lighter feeling.

 

Both Royal Purple and Schaeffer are value for $ engine oil, even the Fully Syn version cost only $13 each, $2 differences. Fully Syn version with it's mainly Group IV base oil will withstand heat better and more shear stable under extreme condition, so you might want to consider that next time.

Edited November 30, 2011 by trex101

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Schaeffer product page.

 

http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme-7000-engine-oil.html

The awesomeness is self explanatory

[kinwei]

Got my hands on Mobil XHP LE. My friend volunteer to try it on his Super4. So far only ridden around 100km. He commented no difference on the heat but we do not have any temp gauge to monitor as well. Can only based on feeling. So far no clutch slip as well.

 

The Schaeffer supreme 9000 looks interesting. Shall try it on my busa once I'm done with X-Rev oil. Finally used up the last few bottles! Hmm.. another 7k km to go......

[trex101]

Got my hands on Mobil XHP LE. My friend volunteer to try it on his Super4. So far only ridden around 100km. He commented no difference on the heat but we do not have any temp gauge to monitor as well. Can only based on feeling. So far no clutch slip as well.

 

The Schaeffer supreme 9000 looks interesting. Shall try it on my busa once I'm done with X-Rev oil. Finally used up the last few bottles! Hmm.. another 7k km to go......

 

From their data sheet, Mobil XHP LE meet ACEA E6 spec, which has a foaming limit of 10ml, 50ml, 10ml. If you can find a cheap ACEA E9 spec HDEO, that would be great because the limit has drop to 10ml, 20ml, 10ml. The lesser the foam, the better is the cooling.

 

http://www.chemcorp.co.uk/creo_files/upload/related-items/delvac_xhp_le_10w-40.pdf

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Cool! More Super Four testbeds. Those inline fours can really save a lot of money if alternative oils can be used.

 

Sure, Motul 300V works, but at $32-36 per litre (you need four, or more precisely 3 1/2 bottles) plus oil filter = small hole in wallet.