Why RVFs are so expensive?

[Gerald]

Hi there, no offence to anyone out there, there's always something bugging me about RVF. Why is the RVF commanding such a high price on the market? Its ten years old and its only a 400cc bike. Will anyone actually pay 7k for this bike? Whats so special about this bike?

 

I can buy a Kawa Ninja cheaper than RVF. It neither looked good (compare to current range of sportsbike) nor is it very powerful. I understand that there are no more 400cc sportsbike but whoever buy it now will he manage to sell it later?...

 

I remember during my younger days, resale Africa twin were going for unbelievable high price until the bubble burst i think. Thats when people start to realize that a used bike is afterall... a used bike.

 

Apologies if my postings offended any people out there. I am sincerely curious about the mindset of people who are willing to pay so much for something that haas more or less depreciated its entire lifespan already.

 

Thank you

[Naz]

1. It's the latest sportsbike in the 400cc class.

2. It's a V4 engine.

3. It's a Honda.

4. Singapore. Island of Dreams and ers.

[stantheman]

hAHA THATS BECOZ RVF - Rider very Fast.....oR Rider very Fierce.

 

In another way RVF is consider the newest batch of sports bikes for 400cc not forgrtting to mention its V4 engine. market got demand price wise sure mantained. imagine how many ppl pass 2A every month? How many 2A bikes can they choose from?? super 4, CBR and RVFs. set aside the RVFs, the price tg of a 10+ year CBR is also ridiculas man. ppl also still sell CBRs at 5-6k. Imagine for that kind of price u can get a R1 already. If government demolish cls 2A, i tink within 3 mths all the CBRs and RVFs will be in the scrape yard already haha!! no offence to 2A riders!!

[299]

Originally posted by stantheman@April 03, 2007 08:35 pm

hAHA THATS BECOZ RVF - Rider very Fast.....oR Rider very Fierce.

 

In another way RVF is consider the newest batch of sports bikes for 400cc not forgrtting to mention its V4 engine. market got demand price wise sure mantained. imagine how many ppl pass 2A every month? How many 2A bikes can they choose from?? super 4, CBR and RVFs. set aside the RVFs, the price tg of a 10+ year CBR is also ridiculas man. ppl also still sell CBRs at 5-6k. Imagine for that kind of price u can get a R1 already. If government demolish cls 2A, i tink within 3 mths all the CBRs and RVFs will be in the scrape yard already haha!! no offence to 2A riders!!

Thus not forgetting a 929 or F4i.

[too_hot]

double post...

[too_hot]

Originally posted by stantheman@April 03, 2007 08:35 pm

demand price wise sure mantained. imagine how many ppl pass 2A every month? How many 2A bikes can they choose from?? super 4, CBR and RVFs. set aside the RVFs, the price tg of a 10+ year CBR is also ridiculas man. ppl also still sell CBRs at 5-6k. Imagine for that kind of price u can get a R1 already. If government demolish cls 2A, i tink within 3 mths all the CBRs and RVFs will be in the scrape yard already haha!! no offence to 2A riders!!

still got Suzuki's GSR400 which is only a little more expensive than Super 4 and it is fuel injected, underseat exhaust and looks "fiercer" too (whether that's a good or bad thing, its up to u)....

 

and of course nor forgetting Ducati Monster 400 (for those who can afford the servicing) and some off roads like suzuki drz...

 

wonder when S4 will get efi....

[HRCSGP]

RVF got nothing that ZXR dun have ..engine only diff only ZXR easier n more HP..ZXR highest HP in the 400 class..

[rAjOaNa]

Originally posted by too_hot@April 03, 2007 10:02 pm

wonder when S4 will get efi....

when sales for spec 3 drop n efi is in demand?

like the rest said no offence...Frm PB1 to spec 3 i dun see any BIG changes excluding Vtec technology insertion.

Undeneiable...its a gd commuting bike.

[Gerald]

I dont know man, paying 7k for a ten year old 400cc bike. I can get R6 for 7k plus. Just think.. which will grab more attention? R6 or RVF? Performance wise.. dont even compare a class 2a bike to class 2.

 

I for one will never spend so much on a bike like RVF. Just imagine, the bike costs 12k when new. THats only depcreciation of 6k ovver 10years. Whoever bought it now will have a hard time selling it off later. THats what i think.

 

But any idea why all the bike makers are not making any 400cc sports bike anymore? I think singapore's licensing system is different from other countries. Our 250cc dont sell well cos everyone wants a 400cc. In Japan, their so called 2b can ride up to 250cc thats why there are so many 250s from Japan.

 

I am a Singaporean based in HK and China. There are a lot of scooters in HK. A lot of them are very modded with Yoshi pipes. I dont know, somehow the scooters in HK looked better than in Spore. I am not a big fan of scoots but i am really impressed with the way they do up their bikes. I see a few Ducatis as well.

[Guest limpeiwah]

supposedly the best of class 2a sports bike

[rAjOaNa]

Originally posted by Gerald@April 04, 2007 08:54 am

I dont know man, paying 7k for a ten year old 400cc bike. I can get R6 for 7k plus. Just think.. which will grab more attention? R6 or RVF? Performance wise.. dont even compare a class 2a bike to class 2.

 

I for one will never spend so much on a bike like RVF. Just imagine, the bike costs 12k when new. THats only depcreciation of 6k ovver 10years. Whoever bought it now will have a hard time selling it off later. THats what i think.

 

But any idea why all the bike makers are not making any 400cc sports bike anymore? I think singapore's licensing system is different from other countries. Our 250cc dont sell well cos everyone wants a 400cc. In Japan, their so called 2b can ride up to 250cc thats why there are so many 250s from Japan.

 

I am a Singaporean based in HK and China. There are a lot of scooters in HK. A lot of them are very modded with Yoshi pipes. I dont know, somehow the scooters in HK looked better than in Spore. I am not a big fan of scoots but i am really impressed with the way they do up their bikes. I see a few Ducatis as well.

well some like v4 engines. IF i m not mistaken RVF brand new last time heard was way more than 12k correct me if i m wrong.

[NiteKidz]

Originally posted by Gerald@April 04, 2007 08:54 am

I dont know man, paying 7k for a ten year old 400cc bike. I can get R6 for 7k plus. Just think.. which will grab more attention? R6 or RVF? Performance wise.. dont even compare a class 2a bike to class 2.

 

I for one will never spend so much on a bike like RVF. Just imagine, the bike costs 12k when new. THats only depcreciation of 6k ovver 10years. Whoever bought it now will have a hard time selling it off later. THats what i think.

 

But any idea why all the bike makers are not making any 400cc sports bike anymore? I think singapore's licensing system is different from other countries. Our 250cc dont sell well cos everyone wants a 400cc. In Japan, their so called 2b can ride up to 250cc thats why there are so many 250s from Japan.

 

I am a Singaporean based in HK and China. There are a lot of scooters in HK. A lot of them are very modded with Yoshi pipes. I dont know, somehow the scooters in HK looked better than in Spore. I am not a big fan of scoots but i am really impressed with the way they do up their bikes. I see a few Ducatis as well.

bro, I believe to each his own preference...u may have a passion for an R6 bike, but will the desire dies off.....I'm indeed an RVF rider; but it voice down to passion. Furthermore, as u may aware SG does not have alot of choice for the 400cc...it's either a CBR400/GSXR400 or RVF....and comparing to just these 3 bikes, we can tell straight which one has the latest technology....so why complain it's so expensive to own....it all comes down to demand and supply and as well how deep is ones pocket?

 

One may only have enough for a R107 but again another guy may have deep pocket for a 1098...then again the question comes back, why that bugger wanna spend 50K for an italian bike that cost almost as good as a car and yet less power compare to a Japanese bike.....

 

it's always good to have comments but be constructive on your comments rather than trying to push out one class of bikes....afterall, how fast can u ride in SG....btw, i'm just trying to put in some of my opinion generally and not purposely trying to defence my bike model....afterall, it's just a machine to me....no hard feelings....

[LarryDK]

Correct man, if only singapore government set the limit to 250 CC for 2b and 450CC for 2a. Out of so many 2b bike, all are below 200, those that actually hit 200 is very few, and not sports bike somemore. (Cruisers or Scramb)

 

The 225 to 250 cc bikes are not wanted by anyone cause if I got a 2a, I will of course go more HP than just a 250cc. But it does set the market in a big different. Like a 250 cc new bike will be whole lot cheaper than a 400 cc new bike. Yes Yes, because HP different, but its more of the demand, the more people wants a 400, the higher the price. So those cannot afford 400, will get a 250 instead.

 

Like wise for 2b, a 200 cc phantom can cost up to 6k in the past, and a CBR125 will cost like 4k, thought CBR125 is newer than phantom. Or a 175 scooter can cost 7k, while a 75 cc will be like 2-4k.

 

So in the end, if you want the power, you pay for more, but when you realise its all the same unless you want the effect of "smell my smoke", a 125 cc will work the same as a 200 cc.

[mountain_smith]

it could be because of the PRO ARM.

[seancxm]

i think it simply boils down to demand and supply.

 

furthermore, this is a limited supply.

 

if ppl are willing to pay for it, there's no reason why they should drop the price.

[Gerald]

bro, I believe to each his own preference...u may have a passion for an R6 bike, but will the desire dies off.....I'm indeed an RVF rider; but it voice down to passion. Furthermore, as u may aware SG does not have alot of choice for the 400cc...it's either a CBR400/GSXR400 or RVF....and comparing to just these 3 bikes, we can tell straight which one has the latest technology....so why complain it's so expensive to own....it all comes down to demand and supply and as well how deep is ones pocket?

 

One may only have enough for a R107 but again another guy may have deep pocket for a 1098...then again the question comes back, why that bugger wanna spend 50K for an italian bike that cost almost as good as a car and yet less power compare to a Japanese bike.....

 

it's always good to have comments but be constructive on your comments rather than trying to push out one class of bikes....afterall, how fast can u ride in SG....btw, i'm just trying to put in some of my opinion generally and not purposely trying to defence my bike model....afterall, it's just a machine to me....no hard feelings....

 

 

Bro, no hard feelings at all.. neither am I trying to push out any class of bikes. I am not a R6/R1 fan. Please be clear that I am not complaining about anything at all. I am coming from a purely economics point of view. I am riding a BMW and i know its crazy price to pay (I am one of those bugger you mentioned) ha ha. However, if you looked at my initial query was.. whats so special about RVF that makes people willing to pay so much for it?

 

Of course there's demand and supply.. but i am puzzled about the demand part. If you say latest technology, RVF is coming to 10 years. What latest technology are we talking about here? How latest is latest? Then could it be like what was mentoined that its the coolest 2a bike around, so no choice but to succumb to the market price for the RVF? But if i were a 2A rider, wouldnt it be wiser to get a class 2 and use the same amount of money to buy a class 2 sports bike? You are RVF owner, then there's no better person than you to ask this question. All I am asking is whats makes you willing to pay a premium price for a bike like RVF? I am really curious about it.

 

I have nothing against RVFs.. i would have asked the same questions over Africa Twins. So far, I can only think of these 2 bikes that can sell for so much even after so many years. I remember when I bought my used Varadero 1000, it cost almost the same as an old AT. Howver i think the craze of AT has died down somewhat and gone are the days where they are selling for 8-9k for a 4-5 year machine.

 

I am starting a open thread where i hope everyone can discuss about their views. As nobody is making any sales here, i think no one gets hurt at the end of the day right?

[Gerald]

I mean, i can explain why i pay so much my BMW where i could have bought a Japanese Bike at a cheaper price but maybe even better performance.

 

I pay premium for the brand, the attention I get, the design of the bike. Its just like wearing designer clothes. You can buy a Versace Tshirt for $300 and a Giordano for $10. Its the feel good factor. Performance wwise, my BMW's pick up SUCKS big time. I think a super 4 can beat me at the traffic light.

 

RVF? Its puzzling.. totally puzzling to me... I am sincerely curious about the mentality of this unique group of people. They are a very exquisite group of bikers. I just cant make the economics out of it.. but i guess perhaps thats the passion they have for their RVFs.

[godfire]

hAHA THATS BECOZ RVF - Rider very Fast.....oR Rider very Fierce.

 

In another way RVF is consider the newest batch of sports bikes for 400cc not forgrtting to mention its V4 engine. market got demand price wise sure mantained. imagine how many ppl pass 2A every month? How many 2A bikes can they choose from?? super 4, CBR and RVFs. set aside the RVFs, the price tg of a 10+ year CBR is also ridiculas man. ppl also still sell CBRs at 5-6k. Imagine for that kind of price u can get a R1 already. If government demolish cls 2A, i tink within 3 mths all the CBRs and RVFs will be in the scrape yard already haha!! no offence to 2A riders!!

 

RVF - Rider very ###### up

[NiteKidz]

Originally posted by Gerald@April 04, 2007 09:59 am

 

You are RVF owner, then there's no better person than you to ask this question. All I am asking is whats makes you willing to pay a premium price for a bike like RVF? I am really curious about it.

 

alamak, this is easy to answer liao lah....my reason, yes it is a beauty among the cl2a...no particular reason....it's rather close compare to cl2, and if u wanna talk abt economical point of view....alot to say....for example, cl2a pay 140 road tax per annum...cl2??? alot more most definitely....another thing....how bad can cl2a maintenance be compare to cl2....fuel economy...i'm not sure, and also can't be bother but for me i can do 20km/l...rather ridiculous but it's true...and one very true thing abt it....how fast can u go in sg? sg road dun need bhp, but torque....so why need to get a 150bhp bike and yet can't used it fully....there are tonnes and tonnes of reason if to go on....ultimately, it all voice down to the owner on how he look at it....if he always do track, of course he won''t be enough for an rvf....if he do touring, this bike will die lah.....but for zipping around sg with the almost 60bhp...more than enough liao..... ..and btw, i think this thread would be better to be in sportbike section rather than the sales thread....very misleading to potential buyer.....

[evil kitten]

RVF = Rider Very Fat

VFR = Very Fat Rider

[736cc]

if you which to pay, why not?

that is 1 more then 20's year old MV bike for sale at 350000poud quite sometime ago which cost arount $1150000SGD!!!!! what can you guys say???

[Gerald]

alright brudders, i think we should respect whatever bikes the decide to buy. I got the answer i set out to ask. So the answer is that RVF is the coolest bike money can buy in class 2a. I may or may not agree with it but I respect that.

 

Cheers to everyone out there!

 

Next qn... why no more making 400cc sportsbike? No demand?

[baqman]

Originally posted by Gerald@April 04, 2007 01:21 pm

alright brudders, i think we should respect whatever bikes the decide to buy. I got the answer i set out to ask. So the answer is that RVF is the coolest bike money can buy in class 2a. I may or may not agree with it but I respect that.

 

Cheers to everyone out there!

 

Next qn... why no more making 400cc sportsbike? No demand?

 

Half drangling... .I would says if you are a fanatic of sports bike... just wait till you get your Class 2 ... So much variety to choose.. And power woooooo...... 250km/hr any time easily..

[handal]

Originally posted by baqman@April 04, 2007 04:19 pm

 

Half drangling... .I would says if you are a fanatic of sports bike... just wait till you get your Class 2 ... So much variety to choose.. And power woooooo...... 250km/hr any time easily..

erm news flash..

he already own a class 2 licence if i'm nt wrong..

he used to ride varadero 1000..

and now he is riding a bmw

 

[natgw]

Originally posted by rAjOaNa@April 04, 2007 09:05 am

well some like v4 engines. IF i m not mistaken RVF brand new last time heard was way more than 12k correct me if i m wrong.

yea mah still have 1 new rvf. go and ask abt its price. but dun faint there..