Harley Riders gather

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by cgl@March 21, 2007 08:52 am

Hahaha! Vibrate and make loud noise...yeah!

 

I don't know what they did after my first service, it ran smoother too, at least when engine is not too hot. Maybe it's a standard procedure after run in. Or only Ah Fai's bike can have special treatment?

Special Treatment~~?

 

I hope so~~

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 10:16 am

How fast do y'll actually travel in the dark of the NSH?

 

If visibility is low, reduce speed, no?

I usually travel at 150km/h in NSH whem its dark, for my past Z1000 is a naked bike, travel above 150km/h will tear my helmet off

 

Definately agree with you about reducing speed when the visibility is low, it also depends on individual riding style.

 

But since I ride a HD, the top speed I try is 140km/h at NSH, usually will ride 130km/h in 6th gear. Very comfortable with that speed while the body still can cope with the wind blast.

 

Your opinion?

[gohjohan]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 21, 2007 10:38 am

I usually travel at 150km/h in NSH whem its dark, for my past Z1000 is a naked bike, travel above 150km/h will tear my helmet off

 

Definately agree with you about reducing speed when the visibility is low, it also depends on individual riding style.

 

But since I ride a HD, the top speed I try is 140km/h at NSH, usually will ride 130km/h in 6th gear. Very comfortable with that speed while the body still can cope with the wind blast.

 

Your opinion?

Can I share my opinion?

 

I've gone 140 with a lot of vibration. Yes, I've even prone down on the tank to cut the wind resistance but it's stressful for my bike. So I stick to 120 - 130, depending on the wind conditions and roads.

 

For night time, we have this flashing LED light that some of us got from Mustafa Centre for $14.50. Just attached it to your bike and set the lights to blink at a set sequence. IF we're going for Thursday night ride, I'll show it to you. With that and the night vest, everyone can see you

[William Tan]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 21, 2007 10:38 am

I usually travel at 150km/h in NSH whem its dark, for my past Z1000 is a naked bike, travel above 150km/h will tear my helmet off

 

Definately agree with you about reducing speed when the visibility is low, it also depends on individual riding style.

 

But since I ride a HD, the top speed I try is 140km/h at NSH, usually will ride 130km/h in 6th gear. Very comfortable with that speed while the body still can cope with the wind blast.

 

Your opinion?

I vary my speed between 120 - 140.

 

Keeping to a constant speed through out is quite monotonous.

But so is maintaining a high speed for long distances at a time as your concentration is heightened and you will be mentally drained after a while.

 

So i will play with my speed, keeping constant (120-130) with short bursts now and then, but never more than 180.

 

When i hear of ppl having touring speeds constant at 160-180 at night, i was wondering, they must have really good reflexes. Imagine is a car suddenly decides to just come out of his lane, and most of the NSH is only 2 lanes. He's on the left, you're on the right and he suddenly comes out to overtake the slow truck in front of him without realising that you're like less than 30m from him on the right going at 180km/h. What do u do? Brake?

 

Read this, "Perception time and Reaction time"

 

So ride safe everyone. The 2-second-rule is not invented for nothing, fast doesnt mean reaching the destination faster and less fatigued.

[William Tan]

Originally posted by gohjohan@March 21, 2007 11:10 am

With that and the night vest, everyone can see you

Never assume that everyone can see you (or hear you) even if you're riding a gold wing lit up like a Christmas tree. Some may still hit you and come out just to say,"I didnt see you."

 

"Assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups" -- John Travolta, Broken Arrow.

 

 

 

[gohjohan]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 11:21 am

Never assume that everyone can see you (or hear you) even if you're riding a gold wing lit up like a Christmas tree. Some may still hit you and come out just to say,"I didnt see you."

 

"Assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups" -- John Travolta, Broken Arrow.

 

 

 

A Gold Wing litted up as a christmas tree is an extreme example, then again, it can happen 'cos that time of the night is some people's sleeping time. So of course, they can't see you when they're in la-la-land

 

Wow, you even remember that quote from the show

 

"Assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups" -- John Travolta, Broken Arrow.

 

I had to watch that movie alone

[William Tan]

Originally posted by gohjohan@March 21, 2007 11:47 am

A Gold Wing litted up as a christmas tree is an extreme example, then again, it can happen 'cos that time of the night is some people's sleeping time. So of course, they can't see you when they're in la-la-land

 

Wow, you even remember that quote from the show

 

"Assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups" -- John Travolta, Broken Arrow.

 

I had to watch that movie alone

Either they are in la-la-land or on the way there.

 

Thats why its good to always look out for cars following behind trucks or bus or other slow moving vehicle. They may suddenly decide that its too slow and they want to overtake and they might just do it, just when you're passing them or when you're about to pass them.

 

Also, always be aware of your rear especially before overtaking. At night especially, when it is difficult to judge the speed of cars coming from behind. All you see is a distant light in your mirror and when u decide to come out the next second, that "light" may be just a few feet from your rear and may not stop in time.

 

Know your bike. Do not follow blindly what your buddy in front do.

A very good scenarion that happens quite frequently in a convoy. The front bike signals and changes lane to overtake, the whole string of bike behind follow suit, without being aware whether there's vehicle approaching from behind or whether their machines have the capability to close the gap when the front bikes pulls away..

 

And oh yeah, what wrong with watching movies alone?

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by gohjohan@March 21, 2007 11:10 am

Can I share my opinion?

 

I've gone 140 with a lot of vibration. Yes, I've even prone down on the tank to cut the wind resistance but it's stressful for my bike. So I stick to 120 - 130, depending on the wind conditions and roads.

 

For night time, we have this flashing LED light that some of us got from Mustafa Centre for $14.50. Just attached it to your bike and set the lights to blink at a set sequence. IF we're going for Thursday night ride, I'll show it to you. With that and the night vest, everyone can see you

Yeah, so I see you tomorrow night.... if no rain

[TTL]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 21, 2007 12:31 pm

Yeah, so I see you tomorrow night.... if no rain

ya.... see ya tml.... going to season my stupid full face... i look like a astronaut going to the moon rather than a biker

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 11:14 am

I vary my speed between 120 - 140.

 

Keeping to a constant speed through out is quite monotonous.

But so is maintaining a high speed for long distances at a time as your concentration is heightened and you will be mentally drained after a while.

 

So i will play with my speed, keeping constant (120-130) with short bursts now and then, but never more than 180.

 

When i hear of ppl having touring speeds constant at 160-180 at night, i was wondering, they must have really good reflexes. Imagine is a car suddenly decides to just come out of his lane, and most of the NSH is only 2 lanes. He's on the left, you're on the right and he suddenly comes out to overtake the slow truck in front of him without realising that you're like less than 30m from him on the right going at 180km/h. What do u do? Brake?

 

Read this, "Perception time and Reaction time"

 

So ride safe everyone. The 2-second-rule is not invented for nothing, fast doesnt mean reaching the destination faster and less fatigued.

very informative

 

for my opinion I think riding high speed in NSH at night is also consist of a little bit of luck, there may be animals/wooden plank/punchure tire skin on the road, encounter the lorry tire skin on NSH, was lucky enough to ride pass it instead of rolling on top of it, really lucky.

 

If I am traveling at 180km/h & suddenly a rider "cut into my lane", that really is a disaster, I imagine it that I will closed throttle, pull clutch, kick down gear, apply engine break & disc brake too, & zoom past the rider in front~~ But that whole operation got to perform within spilt of a second Anyway if on the ground when sh+t happens, everyone react differently, I may act another way of fully jam brake, really is a real life situation to know what one will react.

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 11:21 am

Never assume that everyone can see you (or hear you) even if you're riding a gold wing lit up like a Christmas tree. Some may still hit you and come out just to say,"I didnt see you."

 

"Assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups" -- John Travolta, Broken Arrow.

 

 

 

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http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i5/Fai_photo/SundayDimSum.jpg

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by gohjohan@March 21, 2007 11:47 am

A Gold Wing litted up as a christmas tree is an extreme example, then again, it can happen 'cos that time of the night is some people's sleeping time. So of course, they can't see you when they're in la-la-land

 

Wow, you even remember that quote from the show

 

"Assumption is the mother of all fcuk ups" -- John Travolta, Broken Arrow.

 

I had to watch that movie alone

Also must assume that during late night, there are chances that somebody is drink-driving

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by TTL@March 21, 2007 12:39 pm

ya.... see ya tml.... going to season my stupid full face... i look like a astronaut going to the moon rather than a biker

See you pal

 

(PS: you can ride RocketIII with astronaut helmet )

[William Tan]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 21, 2007 12:49 pm

....

 

 

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i5/Fai_photo/SundayDimSum.jpg

 

Nice Goldwing man.

Got it done up like a christmas tree?

 

[nkan0]

Originally posted by TTL@March 21, 2007 12:39 pm

ya.... see ya tml.... going to season my stupid full face... i look like a astronaut going to the moon rather than a biker

WOW, TTL, finally u got yrself a full-face?? preparing for the Ride-to-Songkran??

 

[NormalAspirated]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 11:14 am

I vary my speed between 120 - 140.

Keeping to a constant speed through out is quite monotonous.

But so is maintaining a high speed for long distances at a time as your concentration is heightened and you will be mentally drained after a while.

So i will play with my speed, keeping constant (120-130) with short bursts now and then, but never more than 180.

When i hear of ppl having touring speeds constant at 160-180 at night, i was wondering, they must have really good reflexes. Imagine is a car suddenly decides to just come out of his lane, and most of the NSH is only 2 lanes. He's on the left, you're on the right and he suddenly comes out to overtake the slow truck in front of him without realising that you're like less than 30m from him on the right going at 180km/h. What do u do? Brake?

Hi William, I agree with you. Monotonous and mental drained can contribute to bad things happen.

Speaking from experience. All depends on the bike and rider getting use to it. When a group of us riding fast bikes (usually not more than 5) go on highspeed cruising (between 180-220) at night, we always prepare ourselves before overtaking like high beam flashing and right signal. The lead and sweeper will vary speed to wake everyone up.

In your senerio, upgrade your brake system is extremely important. If one cannot manage to brake in time, he/she have to sharp, drop a gear or two and to go through the gap and throttle off. Speed can avoid danger. In this cruial situation, keep holding on your brake will find yourself slamming into the vehicle.

[NormalAspirated]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 21, 2007 12:49 pm

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i5/Fai_photo/SundayDimSum.jpg

We don't need bike to make ourselves look cool ... Cool is within oneself ... LOL

OMG ... I am getting into unneccessary trouble ...

[NormalAspirated]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 21, 2007 12:45 pm

very informative

for my opinion I think riding high speed in NSH at night is also consist of a little bit of luck, there may be animals/wooden plank/punchure tire skin on the road, encounter the lorry tire skin on NSH, was lucky enough to ride pass it instead of rolling on top of it, really lucky.

The moment you ride a bike on the road is already require LUCK.

IMO ... There is nothing to be lucky about, is all about faint and God's Will. Time to go, you will go ...

At this moment what we are facing daily is risk calculation. Expect the unexpected. The high the speed, the higher the risk calculation. When the risk calculation increases, the prevention measures have to increse to match the risk. Of course more is better.

Sometimes is easy to say than done but always good to learn not only defensive riding but Advantage defensive riding/driving. Learn from more experience travellers.

Know what your bike can do and know yourself how much you can handle ...

IMO ... Harley brakes suucks ... City riding is nothing, when comes to highway is a complete different story.

I have been haunting for right slider to convert to dual brake system, till date I still can't find any. If convert to inverted with dual, thats not really value for money. Maybe have to wait for while more.

[NormalAspirated]

Originally posted by Swing 7777@March 21, 2007 12:54 am

together ar...hmm...sad to say i tink i`m more of a lone rider..weird riding times..maybe can meet out at the dealership..time is not on my hands.dun hope to cause any more disagreements.

cheers..peace out

There is no disagreements in the first place, I only quoted what you said.

[William Tan]

Originally posted by NormalAspirated@March 21, 2007 01:36 pm

Hi William, I agree with you. Monotonous and mental drained can contribute to bad things happen.

Speaking from experience. All depends on the bike and rider getting use to it. When a group of us riding fast bikes (usually not more than 5) go on highspeed cruising (between 180-220) at night, we always prepare ourselves before overtaking like high beam flashing and right signal. The lead and sweeper will vary speed to wake everyone up.

In your senerio, upgrade your brake system is extremely important. If one cannot manage to brake in time, he/she have to sharp, drop a gear or two and to go through the gap and throttle off. Speed can avoid danger. In this cruial situation, keep holding on your brake will find yourself slamming into the vehicle.

Agreed.

 

At the end of the day it all depends on the rider experience and his ability to handle the machine he is riding. It is also important to follow the right group for long distance touring. For example, you can't possibly group a bunch of ppl who travel at high speeds with another bunch who travel at lower speeds.

 

Also another important factor, always send your bike for a pre-trip check before any long distance trips. Wont want your brakes to fail you at the wrong moment, do we.

[gohjohan]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 12:29 pm

Either they are in la-la-land or on the way there.

 

Thats why its good to always look out for cars following behind trucks or bus or other slow moving vehicle. They may suddenly decide that its too slow and they want to overtake and they might just do it, just when you're passing them or when you're about to pass them.

 

Also, always be aware of your rear especially before overtaking. At night especially, when it is difficult to judge the speed of cars coming from behind. All you see is a distant light in your mirror and when u decide to come out the next second, that "light" may be just a few feet from your rear and may not stop in time.

 

Know your bike. Do not follow blindly what your buddy in front do.

A very good scenarion that happens quite frequently in a convoy. The front bike signals and changes lane to overtake, the whole string of bike behind follow suit, without being aware whether there's vehicle approaching from behind or whether their machines have the capability to close the gap when the front bikes pulls away..

 

And oh yeah, what wrong with watching movies alone?

Very good advice, William

 

Knowing your bike always applies, especially when some of us have 2 bikes

 

About watching movies alone, well, after watching with some people, it seems more enjoyable.

[TTL]

Originally posted by n@kan0@March 21, 2007 01:25 pm

WOW, TTL, finally u got yrself a full-face?? preparing for the Ride-to-Songkran??

 

yeah.. going up when the bike is still under warranty

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by William Tan@March 21, 2007 01:10 pm

 

Nice Goldwing man.

Got it done up like a christmas tree?

 

No lah, its my dad's bike, steal it for a photo shot

 

I think he will hammer me if I put christmas tree on his toy

[Ah Fai]

Originally posted by NormalAspirated@March 21, 2007 01:39 pm

We don't need bike to make ourselves look cool ... Cool is within oneself ... LOL

OMG ... I am getting into unneccessary trouble ...

No problem pal, I am open to opinion

[TTL]

Originally posted by Ah Fai@March 22, 2007 12:15 am

No problem pal, I am open to opinion

just back from riding lah?