Track & Cornering Techniques

[299]

anyone cares to share on their own views in simple terms?

[PuteraBrothers]

are road racing line dif from track racing line? anyone

[Raptor]

One corner....

 

3 different styles, 3 different linings, all applicable. Why restrict yourself to one??

 

Only on supermotards....

where you can learn to ride it road race, flat track or motocross style

 

Now you know why I sold my CBR1000RR.

 

http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2007/12/17/bikepics-1119805-800.jpg

[DeusExMachina]

One corner....

 

3 different styles, 3 different linings, all applicable. Why restrict yourself to one??

 

Only on supermotards....

where you can learn to ride it road race, flat track or motocross style

 

Now you know why I sold my CBR1000RR.

 

 

 

U fierce la, Rappy. Knee down your Motard.

[299]

Beside the settings to the bikes, in terms of techniques, there 's a so called blipping the throttle technique, anyone is using it or care to share?

[Mr Hyde]

Blipping the throttle is for down shifts only. Before entering a corner, even with the latest slipper clutch (if you're carrying enough speed), you'll need to match engine speed with wheel speed with each down shift. Simple in theory.

[sabbaha]

How to corner? Enlightened me pls...

[GuiNNeSS]

Turn the handlebar left to go right, and vice versa.

[sabbaha]

Turn the handlebar left to go right, and vice versa.

 

Hey, thanks for the tips bro

[redbeacon]

anyone cares to share on their own views in simple terms?

 

are road racing line dif from track racing line? anyone

 

Heya bros,

 

Cornering isn't easy as it seems, as one may have found out after a few track sessions (and seeing how the pros do it).

 

For me, it has been tough -- sweat, concern, conquering the fear, even crashed a few times, and all.

As an individual, it has taken me a few track sessions getting the concept of and conceptualizing the method of cornering. Despite that, I've predicted that it'll take me ages to get up to the level of a an experienced track-goer or a racer; not to mention, if I ever find a way to scrub off the bad habits inculcated along the way...

 

An efficient cornering technique is about the kind of considerations you put in before you enter a corner. When you have all of that planned and performed, you have an exit target that is good. Likewise, when you have a poor entry setup, the corner isn't going to benefit you for the next straight, or worse, the next turn.

 

Once that's done, riders usually find ways to improve on that, given that they have some leeway to do so. For instance, going a bit faster on that same corner, without sacrificing usable track distance from the edge.

 

PuteraBrothers: for racing/track-riding, I was being told that a cornering line shouldn't be the first most important thing to a rider's mind; the first would be how each corner is constructed on that race-road/race-track. Every rider has slightly more or less different ways of tacking that corner. In fact, because of that it has been put forth as an adage that every rider's line is different...most of us know that as well.

 

But, if you are still curious, my answer is "Probably".

 

299: One word of advice: Nothing beats practicing. It's good to be in-the-know, but tracktime is a superb way of learning.

 

Sometimes, I do really look up to the more experience riders on the racetrack, and do wonder "how they really do it."

I do have my fair share of mistakes as a newbie just like both of you, but for every one that I commit, I just pick myself up and continue where I left off, and tell myself to try once more.

 

From my experience my friends, it isn't very easy, from getting advice from others and to strive to do better every track-session. For now, I've only got determination and preserverance and that keeps my 2 wheels spinning at 160kph.

 

Cheers

~Nelly

[RESPECT]

For me, it has been tough -- sweat, concern, conquering the fear, even crashed a few times, and all.

 

 

 

 

299: One word of advice: Nothing beats practicing. It's good to be in-the-know, but tracktime is a superb way of learning.

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the number of times i crashed. HAHAHAHAHA!! but yeah i learnt abit of fear and how to handle it too.

 

 

yes PRACTICE!!! i need more too

[PuteraBrothers]

Heya bros,

 

Cornering isn't easy as it seems, as one may have found out after a few track sessions (and seeing how the pros do it).

 

For me, it has been tough -- sweat, concern, conquering the fear, even crashed a few times, and all.

As an individual, it has taken me a few track sessions getting the concept of and conceptualizing the method of cornering. Despite that, I've predicted that it'll take me ages to get up to the level of a an experienced track-goer or a racer; not to mention, if I ever find a way to scrub off the bad habits inculcated along the way...

 

An efficient cornering technique is about the kind of considerations you put in before you enter a corner. When you have all of that planned and performed, you have an exit target that is good. Likewise, when you have a poor entry setup, the corner isn't going to benefit you for the next straight, or worse, the next turn.

 

Once that's done, riders usually find ways to improve on that, given that they have some leeway to do so. For instance, going a bit faster on that same corner, without sacrificing usable track distance from the edge.

 

PuteraBrothers: for racing/track-riding, I was being told that a cornering line shouldn't be the first most important thing to a rider's mind; the first would be how each corner is constructed on that race-road/race-track. Every rider has slightly more or less different ways of tacking that corner. In fact, because of that it has been put forth as an adage that every rider's line is different...most of us know that as well.

 

But, if you are still curious, my answer is "Probably".

 

299: One word of advice: Nothing beats practicing. It's good to be in-the-know, but tracktime is a superb way of learning.

 

Sometimes, I do really look up to the more experience riders on the racetrack, and do wonder "how they really do it."

I do have my fair share of mistakes as a newbie just like both of you, but for every one that I commit, I just pick myself up and continue where I left off, and tell myself to try once more.

 

From my experience my friends, it isn't very easy, from getting advice from others and to strive to do better every track-session. For now, I've only got determination and preserverance and that keeps my 2 wheels spinning at 160kph.

 

Cheers

~Nelly

 

I try to apply gp video games race line on track as i expert in that, but it turn out................ taik!!!!!!

[Raptor]

the number of times i crashed. HAHAHAHAHA!! but yeah i learnt abit of fear and how to handle it too.

 

 

yes PRACTICE!!! i need more too

 

The first time I went to the track... I thought some of them were nuts, going into the corners at those speeds.

 

Now, some of them think I am nuts going into the corners at those speeds.

 

The difference between now and then is... tonnes of practices and a few crashes in between. Just don't give up.

 

First, learn how to go into the corners with the right gear... meaning a gear that puts your rpm at or near the max torque rpm for that given speed. You can find the max torque rpm in the brochure of your bike.

 

When you enter a corner too fast with the rpms near the max torque, closing the throttle will literally 'pull' or engine brake the bike back and into the corner, great thing to have when you look like you are headed to overshoot the corner.

 

Seen too many guys run off the fast corners coz they entered with the gear too high eg top gear and the rpms in the low regions. A bike will feel like its 'floating' and refuse to the turn into the corners. Thats when you hear alot of them say... the bike kept drifting out.

 

Thats why I personally feel that the 'no brakes drill' is the best way for a newbie to learn about track riding. Take the corners by just dropping gears and to keep the engine rpms in the max torque zone just before you enter the corner.

 

PG can be ridden at 2.06 using just downshifts to slow a stock standard Aprilia 150cc bike for the corners... except for Turns 3, 5 and 9 whereby a slight braking is required or you will be paying Miss Gravel a visit.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/angelo_neo/IMG_6934-1.jpg

 

By the way... this is how I ride coz I believe that sustaining high speeds through proper linings through the corners and also from corner to corner with minimal braking, is the key to low lap times for small bikes below 400cc.

 

Disclaimer: I have been going to the track for the past two and half years and developed my own style of riding. It may not be applicable to you and some may not agree with my methods too.

 

Am just sharing my thoughts here only.

 

To each his own and whatever you are comfortable with.

[ambasnakeman]

no pressure on handlebars....alot of us do that....use the legs to shift the bike...as raptor has demonstrated in sepang before, one hander corners can be done while in full lean.

 

keep ur body low to the bike, moving ur head to ur stock mirror positions, basic suspension adjustments will help. do not ever enter a corner with throttle fully closed....

[DeusExMachina]

Good info from all the track regulars.

 

 

 

In addition, I also scream like a little girl under the helmet when entering corners.

It helps.....

[rein_jahat14]

Good info from all the track regulars.

 

 

 

In addition, I also scream like a little girl under the helmet when entering corners.

It helps.....

 

 

EH..SAME ME TOO!!!!!!!

 

:angel: :angel:

[RESPECT]

so RAPTOR,

when are you coming back?

anytime soon? cny?

[redbeacon]

Good info from all the track regulars.

 

In addition, I also scream like a little girl under the helmet when entering corners.

It helps.....

 

 

 

At least save the scream (of satisfaction) for the winner's circle la....

[Raptor]

so RAPTOR,

when are you coming back?

anytime soon? cny?

 

I wish I could but no, not so soon. Mebbe in June.

 

 

At least save the scream (of satisfaction) for the winner's circle la....

 

I agree with Deus, you will scream like a schoolgirl, especially when you are trying to slow a CBR1000RR down from 270 KMH for Sepang, Turn One...... and you just missed the 100 metre braking point marker.

[ambasnakeman]

wa raptor...u brake so late ah.....

[DeusExMachina]

I wish I could but no, not so soon. Mebbe in June.

 

 

 

I agree with Deus, you will scream like a schoolgirl, especially when you are trying to slow a CBR1000RR down from 270 KMH for Sepang, Turn One...... and you just missed the 100 metre braking point marker.

 

R u kidding.

 

I screamed everytime I braked for turn one.... 50 meters earlier than your marker....

[Pauche]

I wish I could but no, not so soon. Mebbe in June.

 

 

 

I agree with Deus, you will scream like a schoolgirl, especially when you are trying to slow a CBR1000RR down from 270 KMH for Sepang, Turn One...... and you just missed the 100 metre braking point marker.

 

 

u brake at 100m on sepang turn 1????????

 

even the motogp guys brake earlier than u!!!! perhaps its time u should replace hayden in the repsol team!

[GuiNNeSS]

u brake at 100m on sepang turn 1????????

 

even the motogp guys brake earlier than u!!!! perhaps its time u should replace hayden in the repsol team!

 

The Formula 1 guys brake well AFTER the 100m marker. Can you imagine the G-forces!

[DeusExMachina]

The G-forces will be greater if you miss that 100m marker and plow into the gravel.

 

BTW, that's F1. Bikes don't have that much braking abilities...

[299]

wat kind of suspension settings are recommended?