Disappointed with new 2b bikes in local market

[lcp]

Ride class 2 also kena bully one.. They wan to cut in front of me just let it be lor, tap tap the brake n slow down.

 

Tat's wat I do. most of the time when I m pillion my gf I will keep on the left lane, more relax n nobody will wan to disturb u.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

If you own a Spark or fuel injected Wave you'll probably have far more fun than me last night. If not, time to break out the spanner and start tinkering!

 

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7UDFB5jYn0[/yt]

 

I also like the fact that the production of the above non-educational video cost me... a small fraction of the cost per km of an MRT or bus ticket. You don't get that economy if you have 4 times the cylinders and 4 carbs!

 

Right, so I can't just mash on the gas and fly away like Mr Suzuki on the top of Sheares Bridge but it's arguably more entertaining to work with the traffic to get a good time without getting in anyone's way.

[Gerald]

you want more power on a 2B bike? Have you ever thought if that little piece of metal can take the power or not? Is the braking able to handle the speed and torque? Bikes are built based on ratio, small bikes small cc. big bike, big cc. You cannot put a 400cc engine one a phantom and expect it to run safely.

 

You dont have to go at 100km/h to be safe. That is not the right thinking. So you are saying if someone tailgate you, you need to go faster than the guy behind you? Then the guy in front of you needs to go faster than you etc etc...before you know it, we have a grand prix race on our hand.

 

Its all about experience on the road. Who says those kena accident are always uncles? I think its the other way round.

 

Pardon me if i misinterpret anything cos I really did not read the entire thread.

Ride safe!

[darren_soh86]

all in all. thats the kinda road culture we have here in our country.. nutting we can change or do anything about.. Be it 80cc to 1500c bike.. we deal with the same **** everyday.. so as long as the situation dun change, the only thing we can change is our mindset and our skill set to survive on the road.

 

Really. like everybody says. its never the bike.

[bernardk]

botherin any jerks here? haaa

those w eyes cn c n read who's e 1 tryin 2 b BIG Bro here?

shake head..haizzz

 

all in all. thats the kinda road culture we have here in our country.. nutting we can change or do anything about.. Be it 80cc to 1500c bike.. we deal with the same **** everyday.. so as long as the situation dun change, the only thing we can change is our mindset and our skill set to survive on the road.

 

Really. like everybody says. its never the bike.

 

So Mr Coolman XIAO DI DI.... now you UNDERSTAND???? So many post after me to explain to your empty brain. If you dun understand, tsk tsk *shake head and shake body* go back drink more milk then come back hor. We waiting for you...

 

Its ppl with YOU this kinna thinking that are contributing to the accident rates on bike. Good luck to you...

 

We are trying to make TS a better rider and you are trying to stir him up and make him more angry. So wats the point? You might as well pass him a gun or a knife and ask him go kill everyone out there.

[SlowButSteady Bro]

What the fuss?Almost every singapore bike got speed restricted.This is going on for eons year ardy.My 5 speed RXZ to work stock top speed only 140kmh.But after changing the sprockets to a much smaller one and carb jetting i can cruise happily 105-115kmh on the centre of the lane without much vibration compared to previous.Last week my mech tried top speed @ JB get 160kmh with standard pipe.Our small bike is different from Malaysian one where their 125Z can easily go 150 w/o trouble.Their RXZ can tailgate our Super Four ardy.So if you're riding R15 just do minimal mod to have smooth speed.amay friend's have done that,His R15 now can cruise 115 with less vibration.Standard pipe somemore.So the point here why must have high top speed if your bike vibrate like siao?I'm ardy happy that my bike can go 110-130 with less vibration.Another point i make,If the speed limit is 90kmh i will travel between 100-105kmh to keep up with the flow.I always have this mindset if 1.6cc car travel 90 135cc bike travel 105-110kmh.

[Pluvius]

What the fuss?Almost every singapore bike got speed restricted.This is going on for eons year ardy.My 5 speed RXZ to work stock top speed only 140kmh.But after changing the sprockets to a much smaller one and carb jetting i can cruise happily 105-115kmh on the centre of the lane without much vibration compared to previous.Last week my mech tried top speed @ JB get 160kmh with standard pipe.Our small bike is different from Malaysian one where their 125Z can easily go 150 w/o trouble.Their RXZ can tailgate our Super Four ardy.So if you're riding R15 just do minimal mod to have smooth speed.amay friend's have done that,His R15 now can cruise 115 with less vibration.Standard pipe somemore.So the point here why must have high top speed if your bike vibrate like siao?I'm ardy happy that my bike can go 110-130 with less vibration.Another point i make,If the speed limit is 90kmh i will travel between 100-105kmh to keep up with the flow.I always have this mindset if 1.6cc car travel 90 135cc bike travel 105-110kmh.

 

I like your point where speed limit is 90 and you will travel between 100-105 to keep up with the flow.

[Pluvius]

I won't be reading or responding to this thread anymore. Concisely, I noticed there is lack of respect of the rules of forum and respecting the opinions of others as individuals. I am not saying anyone in particular.

 

Singapore is a free country where everyone is entitled to their opinions. This forum and section was meant for people to share opinions and not insult or eventually aggression. Even the garage 2nd hand bike sales has similar rules. Agree?

 

We should treat this forum medium seriously and not treat it as tool to insult or "suan" people. Otherwise, I fear this forum will become just like Stomp where 90% of the comments are thrash- people scolding each other. People should focus on the topic and not on the person. Here a few examples,

 

1)Someone sarcastically responded I don't know how to walk properly, still want to fly and not to drive up the insurance premium. But there was nothing said about the topic.

 

2)At least another 2 people assumed that I just passed my 2B license and only holding 2B license and responded like I'm some sort of young boy who just passed his 2B license with a speed craze on a small bike. Even though I clarified to the first one, there came a 2nd one, who didn't read the thread and just blasted again like I just passed 2b.

 

3)At least 2 people responded that I am an egoistic person who don't give way.

 

4) People keep saying things that I didn't say or misinterpret, putting things into my mouth.

 

Before I leave, I try to respond briefly.

 

We have few people saying that 2b bikes cannot be built to be fast with high top speeds and cruising speeds. It isn't meant to be this way. I'd choose to differ because this statement contradicts reality. Manufacturers can and have built in the past (I don't have to quote models), its just whether they want to do it. There are concerns about not being able to brake. But, in reality 2 stroke 2b bikes have already been reaching top speed of 160-180km/h and 10-120km/h cruising speed. I don't need to quote models here right? I believe you all should know what are the 2 stroke models that can do this. If I go with the claims of people who say these 2 stroke 2b bikes cant brake, am I right to say Suzuki RG, NSR SP and KIPS and other models have accident almost every week, every month or frequently because they cannot brake, their small metal cannot handle that speed? Of course not. They brake successfully more often than not which means to say, the braking power of such bikes is there. If you disagree that they cannot brake in time, then obviously something is wrong, the statistics of accident don't show it. Thus, the claim of having 2 stroke 2b bikes that go to the speed that I desire not having enough braking does not stand. Our father's generation and bigger brothers generation have been braking successfully more often than not, some even with drum brakes.

 

Manufacturers earn more money by selling their bigger bikes than smaller bikes. So if their smaller 2B bikes can perform almost the same Top Speed as their 2A bikes, people will rather buy their smaller bikes causing them to lose their precious revenue. Thus, they nerf the smaller bikes so that if people want more, they pay for more. Example: A stock Super 4 top speed is only around 180-190 right?

 

Also, I would like differ in opinion that 2b bikes are meant to be low in FC and slow in speed to ride in the city. That is someone's opinion, I respect. But I would rather believe that a 4 stroke bike is meant to be low in FC not a 2b bike. And I do not share the ideals of small bike must go slow. It's my opinion that small 2b 2 stroke bikes can go fast just like older days. It's my opinion which has it owns foundations, just like yours.

 

On a general note, I would also want to add that a 2 stroke engine is more power than a 4 stroke engine in that comparison/merit by itself. The reason why 4 stroke bikes nowadays are able to keep up or go faster is because of more spark plugs, DOHC, more this and more that, later technology and refinement of problem areas. Play around with the power curve la, what compression ratio, combustion chamber. A lot of things to talk. If manufacturers really wanted, they could have refined their 2 stroke bikes but they don't want. They want to earn more money from bikers. This is my opinion based on the fact every company wants to earn profits.

 

I'd like to say thanks for all the constructive input.

 

I'd also like to add that ego and pride is a dangerous thing on the road, I agree.

But it seems that few people are displaying some pride or superiority complex when they assumed that I have just passed my 2b license with a speed craze on a small P plate bike are displaying it when they teased ?

 

Or am I too sensitive? I'm okay anyways.

Take care and be safe.

[SlowButSteady Bro]

Another point is the mentality of Sillyporean drivers.Out of 10 only 2 will give way if you signal from a merging lane.When i drive or ride in Malaysia and Thailand,Most vehicle will give way if you signal and pick up speed.Hand gesture is important.Wave to say Thank You and everyone happy including Taxi Drivers.Another lesson from my late grandpa who had class 2,3,4,5,Trailer and Boat licence.Its better to drive small vehicle with BIG brains rather that drive Big vehicle with small brain.When you ride or drive its better to anticipated and considerate towards othe road users,Its the only way to survive on the road.

Edited May 8, 2010 by SlowButSteady Bro

[BLACK COMET]

Nowadays the new 4 stroke 2b bikes in the market have better fuel consumption but cruising speed, top speed, pick-up are affected. I feel buyers should think twice when they buy these bikes.

 

Example: R15 top speed 140, cruising speed, around 90-100. Pulsar 180, top speed 115-120, cruising speed 80 as revealed by a member selling his 2nd hand bike in the garage sales section. Pulsar 200, only slightly higher top speed at 125 with cruising speed barely reaching 100. These facts have been confirmed with official specs of the bikes and people.

 

Pick-up wise, I won't comment much because bike manufacturers smart enough to think of several alternatives to compensate the loss of power of a 4 stroke as compared to 2 stroke although some 4 stroke 2b bikes pick up are still not good. (This explains why some parts are multiplied by 2 or by 4)

 

I just feel that such bikes are unsuitable for long expressways rides where a minimum of 100 km/h is needed and recommended 110km/h for "situations". These are just my own figures from observing which my friends also agree.

 

Yeah true, expressway speed limit generally 90km/h, some 80km/h (don't quote Nicoll Highway to me) but in reality, cars will frequently go more than that, at around 100km/h agree? Consider a Saturday or Sunday evening/night. You have to agree that people don't follow the normal road limit of 50km/h right? The same applies to expressway. If possible (no jams), cars will go above the expressway limit of 90. Agree?

 

Now, imagine if you are traveling at 80km/h cruising speed with your Pulsar at middle lane, high chance, you will encounter cars tailgating you, flashing headlights and cutting your lane abruptly to show their anger. Not just one car, but a series of car will continue to share lanes with your bike even though your bike is in the centre of the lane while overtaking to share their anger. If you move to the side of the lane while travelling at 80-90 to let the car overtake you easily or share lane with you, you are putting yourself in risk (defensive riding) These big cars owners are the worst. They will do many nasty thing like trying to grind you.

 

Maybe I am the only one seeing this happen to fellow motorcyclist or encountering it but I do personally know car drivers who purposely tailgate slower vehicles in front to pressure them to go faster or get out of the lane. My cousin is one of them, whom I don't agree with him.

 

But at the speed of 80-90, the expressway left lane is not a good lane for motorcycles for obvious reasons (laden with trucks). Of course, the motorcyclist may choose to linger at the lane marker between 2 lanes indefinitely but puts himself at risk if he do so for a very long time and at specific spots (fork at end of AYE, left goes to ECP/Tanjong Pagar, right goes to CTE).

 

Some will say whats the big deal? Just open throttle to 110km/h with your new 2b 4 stroke bike and keep up with the traffic. Very soon, you will have a heap load of problems with your stressed bike (pulsar especially).

 

Some will say I have never encountered or see this before? Thus, I ask you to ride your bike at 80 or 90 at middle lane at AYE or ECP and see if you have bad car drivers tailgating you or abruptly lane cutting you or grinding you. Similar situation here is when the normal road speed limit is 50 or 60 and when you follow the speed limit, you will find many big and heavily modded cars doing the same to you in anger. Try riding at 60 at normal roads, you will find heavily modded Integras, Civics and Lancers doing something funny to you.

 

Ok, maybe you find this thread a waste of time but I wish the reader good luck if he think he is safe at 90km/h on the expressway because I do know for sure if you follow the speed limit on the expressway or main road, you will be high risk of accident. The new 2b bikes 4 stroke are potential risk bearers.

 

Just my newbie humble opinion

 

I've been riding 2 B scoots for 7 years. and I never met the situations u discribe above.

 

I average travel around 90 max. 100 for over taking. 90 at center lane is not too much. If I'm really road hogging, in the center lane', I just move to the left most lane and let them past.

 

U have to be alert the moment u sit on the bike.

 

I been doing this all this while and don't find problem with it?

 

Normal road, I don't stick to 50. I usually goes 70 to 80 depends on situations.

 

Acceleration for most bike is anytime faster than normal cars. If both party accelerate normally. Of course don't compare sports car lah. Even merc initail acceleration is slow. Unless he floor his pedal

 

Most of the time, I find that the waves, YBR. they ride much faster than me.

Unless they are grand uncles.

 

So I don't think it's much of a problem. Even a 150cc auto scoot can get hit 110 and do a constant speed at 100. I believe those chain driven bike can do much more.

 

The Bikes u mentioned, R15 and pulsar cruising speed, is subjective.

 

Unless u own both bike before. Different people have different feel. If the bike can go 120. why must the cruising speed be 80? Because the owner feel so? Or the owner prefers the state that the engine is running at? Stress free engine feeling?

 

I know there 1 engine will be stress free feeling. Triumph rocket. 3 liter engine. Max torque at 2000 rpm. and 4000rpm when trevelling at 100km/h

Redline at 8000rpm I think.

 

In the 7 years of riding. I learn that different people have diff feel and preference. All 2B bikes. 2 stroke included. I may feel the cruising speed is 80. But there will be friend who prefers it to be 100. and so.

 

My verdict of all 2B bike is that as long it can hit 110. maintain 100 without much problems. Then it's suitable for Sg roads.

 

IF you want better performance. Please go 2A. 2B is use for transport and for fun.

 

And the last thing we want is for SG government is to start a new law. following china, taiwan and otgher SE asian country.

 

The law is bike under 250cc is not allowed on expressway.

[SlowButSteady Bro]

I've been riding 2 B scoots for 7 years. and I never met the situations u discribe above.

 

I average travel around 90 max. 100 for over taking. 90 at center lane is not too much. If I'm really road hogging, in the center lane', I just move to the left most lane and let them past.

 

U have to be alert the moment u sit on the bike.

 

I been doing this all this while and don't find problem with it?

 

Normal road, I don't stick to 50. I usually goes 70 to 80 depends on situations.

 

Acceleration for most bike is anytime faster than normal cars. If both party accelerate normally. Of course don't compare sports car lah. Even merc initail acceleration is slow. Unless he floor his pedal

 

Most of the time, I find that the waves, YBR. they ride much faster than me.

Unless they are grand uncles.

 

So I don't think it's much of a problem. Even a 150cc auto scoot can get hit 110 and do a constant speed at 100. I believe those chain driven bike can do much more.

 

The Bikes u mentioned, R15 and pulsar cruising speed, is subjective.

 

Unless u own both bike before. Different people have different feel. If the bike can go 120. why must the cruising speed be 80? Because the owner feel so? Or the owner prefers the state that the engine is running at? Stress free engine feeling?

 

I know there 1 engine will be stress free feeling. Triumph rocket. 3 liter engine. Max torque at 2000 rpm. and 4000rpm when trevelling at 100km/h

Redline at 8000rpm I think.

 

In the 7 years of riding. I learn that different people have diff feel and preference. All 2B bikes. 2 stroke included. I may feel the cruising speed is 80. But there will be friend who prefers it to be 100. and so.

 

My verdict of all 2B bike is that as long it can hit 110. maintain 100 without much problems. Then it's suitable for Sg roads.

 

IF you want better performance. Please go 2A. 2B is use for transport and for fun.

 

And the last thing we want is for SG government is to start a new law. following china, taiwan and otgher SE asian country.

 

The law is bike under 250cc is not allowed on expressway.

 

The under 250cc not allowed on eway adrdy start in KL Gemas road.But what about single cylinder 400cc/650cc instead?Doesnt their top speed is almost the same as Kawa Ninja 250?Something has to be right here.

[kzone]

Some will say whats the big deal? Just open throttle to 110km/h with your new 2b 4 stroke bike and keep up with the traffic. Very soon, you will have a heap load of problems with your stressed bike (pulsar especially).

 

If want to travel on lane 1 on a 2b, just go ahead n stress the bike ah... 2b bikes meant to last till u get ur 2a only mah...

[Coolman]

botherin any jerks here? haaa

those w eyes cn c n read who's e 1 tryin 2 b BIG Bro here?

shake head..haizzz

 

Guess e 1 had spoken!

will say no more to a fool....ops wonder will e fool reply again? or drinking milk and shake himself....

So Mr Coolman XIAO DI DI.... now you UNDERSTAND???? So many post after me to explain to your empty brain. If you dun understand, tsk tsk *shake head and shake body* go back drink more milk then come back hor. We waiting for you...

 

Its ppl with YOU this kinna thinking that are contributing to the accident rates on bike. Good luck to you...

 

We are trying to make TS a better rider and you are trying to stir him up and make him more angry. So wats the point? You might as well pass him a gun or a knife and ask him go kill everyone out there.

whoa. talk like god sia.

 

I won't be reading or responding to this thread anymore. Concisely, I noticed there is lack of respect of the rules of forum and respecting the opinions of others as individuals. I am not saying anyone in particular.

 

Singapore is a free country where everyone is entitled to their opinions. This forum and section was meant for people to share opinions and not insult or eventually aggression. Even the garage 2nd hand bike sales has similar rules. Agree?

 

We should treat this forum medium seriously and not treat it as tool to insult or "suan" people. Otherwise, I fear this forum will become just like Stomp where 90% of the comments are thrash- people scolding each other. People should focus on the topic and not on the person. Here a few examples,

 

1)Someone sarcastically responded I don't know how to walk properly, still want to fly and not to drive up the insurance premium. But there was nothing said about the topic.

 

2)At least another 2 people assumed that I just passed my 2B license and only holding 2B license and responded like I'm some sort of young boy who just passed his 2B license with a speed craze on a small bike. Even though I clarified to the first one, there came a 2nd one, who didn't read the thread and just blasted again like I just passed 2b.

 

3)At least 2 people responded that I am an egoistic person who don't give way.

 

4) People keep saying things that I didn't say or misinterpret, putting things into my mouth.

 

Before I leave, I try to respond briefly.

 

We have few people saying that 2b bikes cannot be built to be fast with high top speeds and cruising speeds. It isn't meant to be this way. I'd choose to differ because this statement contradicts reality. Manufacturers can and have built in the past (I don't have to quote models), its just whether they want to do it. There are concerns about not being able to brake. But, in reality 2 stroke 2b bikes have already been reaching top speed of 160-180km/h and 10-120km/h cruising speed. I don't need to quote models here right? I believe you all should know what are the 2 stroke models that can do this. If I go with the claims of people who say these 2 stroke 2b bikes cant brake, am I right to say Suzuki RG, NSR SP and KIPS and other models have accident almost every week, every month or frequently because they cannot brake, their small metal cannot handle that speed? Of course not. They brake successfully more often than not which means to say, the braking power of such bikes is there. If you disagree that they cannot brake in time, then obviously something is wrong, the statistics of accident don't show it. Thus, the claim of having 2 stroke 2b bikes that go to the speed that I desire not having enough braking does not stand. Our father's generation and bigger brothers generation have been braking successfully more often than not, some even with drum brakes.

 

Manufacturers earn more money by selling their bigger bikes than smaller bikes. So if their smaller 2B bikes can perform almost the same Top Speed as their 2A bikes, people will rather buy their smaller bikes causing them to lose their precious revenue. Thus, they nerf the smaller bikes so that if people want more, they pay for more. Example: A stock Super 4 top speed is only around 180-190 right?

 

Also, I would like differ in opinion that 2b bikes are meant to be low in FC and slow in speed to ride in the city. That is someone's opinion, I respect. But I would rather believe that a 4 stroke bike is meant to be low in FC not a 2b bike. And I do not share the ideals of small bike must go slow. It's my opinion that small 2b 2 stroke bikes can go fast just like older days. It's my opinion which has it owns foundations, just like yours.

 

On a general note, I would also want to add that a 2 stroke engine is more power than a 4 stroke engine in that comparison/merit by itself. The reason why 4 stroke bikes nowadays are able to keep up or go faster is because of more spark plugs, DOHC, more this and more that, later technology and refinement of problem areas. Play around with the power curve la, what compression ratio, combustion chamber. A lot of things to talk. If manufacturers really wanted, they could have refined their 2 stroke bikes but they don't want. They want to earn more money from bikers. This is my opinion based on the fact every company wants to earn profits.

 

I'd like to say thanks for all the constructive input.

 

I'd also like to add that ego and pride is a dangerous thing on the road, I agree.

But it seems that few people are displaying some pride or superiority complex when they assumed that I have just passed my 2b license with a speed craze on a small P plate bike are displaying it when they teased ?

 

Or am I too sensitive? I'm okay anyways.

Take care and be safe.

 

ride safe there. am cool..tata folk!

[CSV]

nothing much we can do also, you wanna try asking the LTA to open 2b up to 250cc?

 

for now, i guess we have to LLST and ride safe and be alert, it will not prevent accidents but will help minimise.

 

as for tailgaters, get out get out get out of their way.

[bernardk]

Guess e 1 had spoken!

will say no more to a fool....ops wonder will e fool reply again? or drinking milk and shake himself....

 

whoa. talk like god sia.

 

ride safe there. am cool..tata folk!

 

Yawnnnnnnn.......... one thing is for sure, you aint contributing in anyways.... mabbe you are too free...

[bernardk]

I won't be reading or responding to this thread anymore. Concisely, I noticed there is lack of respect of the rules of forum and respecting the opinions of others as individuals. I am not saying anyone in particular.

 

Singapore is a free country where everyone is entitled to their opinions. This forum and section was meant for people to share opinions and not insult or eventually aggression. Even the garage 2nd hand bike sales has similar rules. Agree?

 

We should treat this forum medium seriously and not treat it as tool to insult or "suan" people. Otherwise, I fear this forum will become just like Stomp where 90% of the comments are thrash- people scolding each other. People should focus on the topic and not on the person. Here a few examples,

 

1)Someone sarcastically responded I don't know how to walk properly, still want to fly and not to drive up the insurance premium. But there was nothing said about the topic.

 

2)At least another 2 people assumed that I just passed my 2B license and only holding 2B license and responded like I'm some sort of young boy who just passed his 2B license with a speed craze on a small bike. Even though I clarified to the first one, there came a 2nd one, who didn't read the thread and just blasted again like I just passed 2b.

 

3)At least 2 people responded that I am an egoistic person who don't give way.

 

4) People keep saying things that I didn't say or misinterpret, putting things into my mouth.

 

Before I leave, I try to respond briefly.

 

We have few people saying that 2b bikes cannot be built to be fast with high top speeds and cruising speeds. It isn't meant to be this way. I'd choose to differ because this statement contradicts reality. Manufacturers can and have built in the past (I don't have to quote models), its just whether they want to do it. There are concerns about not being able to brake. But, in reality 2 stroke 2b bikes have already been reaching top speed of 160-180km/h and 10-120km/h cruising speed. I don't need to quote models here right? I believe you all should know what are the 2 stroke models that can do this. If I go with the claims of people who say these 2 stroke 2b bikes cant brake, am I right to say Suzuki RG, NSR SP and KIPS and other models have accident almost every week, every month or frequently because they cannot brake, their small metal cannot handle that speed? Of course not. They brake successfully more often than not which means to say, the braking power of such bikes is there. If you disagree that they cannot brake in time, then obviously something is wrong, the statistics of accident don't show it. Thus, the claim of having 2 stroke 2b bikes that go to the speed that I desire not having enough braking does not stand. Our father's generation and bigger brothers generation have been braking successfully more often than not, some even with drum brakes.

 

Manufacturers earn more money by selling their bigger bikes than smaller bikes. So if their smaller 2B bikes can perform almost the same Top Speed as their 2A bikes, people will rather buy their smaller bikes causing them to lose their precious revenue. Thus, they nerf the smaller bikes so that if people want more, they pay for more. Example: A stock Super 4 top speed is only around 180-190 right?

 

Also, I would like differ in opinion that 2b bikes are meant to be low in FC and slow in speed to ride in the city. That is someone's opinion, I respect. But I would rather believe that a 4 stroke bike is meant to be low in FC not a 2b bike. And I do not share the ideals of small bike must go slow. It's my opinion that small 2b 2 stroke bikes can go fast just like older days. It's my opinion which has it owns foundations, just like yours.

 

On a general note, I would also want to add that a 2 stroke engine is more power than a 4 stroke engine in that comparison/merit by itself. The reason why 4 stroke bikes nowadays are able to keep up or go faster is because of more spark plugs, DOHC, more this and more that, later technology and refinement of problem areas. Play around with the power curve la, what compression ratio, combustion chamber. A lot of things to talk. If manufacturers really wanted, they could have refined their 2 stroke bikes but they don't want. They want to earn more money from bikers. This is my opinion based on the fact every company wants to earn profits.

 

I'd like to say thanks for all the constructive input.

 

I'd also like to add that ego and pride is a dangerous thing on the road, I agree.

But it seems that few people are displaying some pride or superiority complex when they assumed that I have just passed my 2b license with a speed craze on a small P plate bike are displaying it when they teased ?

 

Or am I too sensitive? I'm okay anyways.

Take care and be safe.

 

Ok ok ok... i hope you dun mind i quote you and i hope you dun get misunderstood from all my previous post. Im trying to say wat you think i was trying to say.

 

Lets put it this way or mabbe rephrase it. So lets say the person you describe on the road lets say not you or your fren or whoever. Lets just say that he is riding like a saint on the road. Following every good practise on the road. But he still kana cut like no body business... But still the same the bike doesnt make a difference if its a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke. Problem is he already kana cut. So wat does the old skool 2 stroke best bike can do inorder to support your thread, that the new 2B bikes in local market are disappointing???

 

Lets dun take this personal or like wat you say a disapproving comment to you. Cos mabbe we mis interprete your meaning or wat you were trying to say. mabbe you can elaborate more on wat is it exactly you are trying to make us understand.

 

Lets put everything aside and explain more why you say that its is disappointing comparing to watever you may have or may do to make 2B Less disappointing.

[Gerald]

TS is prolly new to SBF. Cannot accept the fact that there are many kinds of people around in the forum and everyone gives their own candid opinion. Some talk cork, some talk facts..then everyone starts to debate etc... thats what makes reading a thread so fun. remember Stevie Lim?

 

TS expects everyone to agree with him? or what?

 

Wait till he tries to sell his bike through SBF then he will come across the infamous lowballers.

 

Good luck!

[BLACK COMET]

But, in reality 2 stroke 2b bikes have already been reaching top speed of 160-180km/h and 10-120km/h cruising speed. I don't need to quote models here right? I believe you all should know what are the 2 stroke models that can do this. /QUOTE]

 

TO add on. I don't believe any STOCK 2B 2 stroke bike can go 160

160 is base on the bike speedo or Actual GPS real time reading?

 

Unless you are talking about modded 2B 2T bike?

 

KInda hard to believe and comprehen. NSR SP going at 180. Stock super 4 power cut at 180. That will means if both rider is on par in terms of skill. They will actually be side by side for the next 5km.

[xXxRatedxXx]

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Relax guys.... let's not let this thread go down in flames.

[ulysses_sc]

Discussions like this usually end up as a flame wars.

 

To TS - yes you are right that 2B 4 stroke bikes are not designed for high speed autobahn riding. But then again, their crusing speeds of 80 to 90km/h are more than enough for local use.

 

For the past 18 years, I've always practiced defensive riding like occupying the entire lane, be mindful of tailgating idiots, not lane splitting at 90km/h, no sudden overtaking stunts, etc.

 

My road speeds are usually not more than 100km/h, even on my 1000cc sports bike. On my dirt bikes, it's usually between 80 to 90km/h. Warp speeds are reserved for the track.

 

It's very seldom that I encounter what TS mentions. Even if there are lacers in levos and lexes around, early anticipation of their stunts usually mean I am far away from their antics.

 

Riding is much more than twisting the throttle at full throttle. The roads are shared with incompetent idiots and lacer wannabes. Having good all-round awareness is usually enough for daily "survuval" on the roads, not some high powered superbike.

[Coolman]

Yawnnnnnnn.......... one thing is for sure, you aint contributing in anyways.... mabbe you are too free...

 

yawnzzzzz just woke up frm my beautiful slp..

ya am vv free 2 slp rather than some Loser here tryin 2 rule e world...think he is 'god'? ah-chew..

 

contributing or nt if 4 each 2 judge ya....hwever to whoever keen 2 win, will let him be. am cool w tt.

 

TS mentioned abt closing tis topics but some stil find it a talkin pt, pls continue as u like but to flame further dun seem to be CONTRIBUTING much too, my 0.00000000001 cent worth of opinion.

 

ride safe all

[SlowButSteady Bro]

I'm using Holux GPS meant for my car.Tried top speed on my RXZ in JB,Reading 153.6kmh

[QuaXum]

to each its own.. nuff said.

[aRcHeR]

Discussions like this usually end up as a flame wars.

 

To TS - yes you are right that 2B 4 stroke bikes are not designed for high speed autobahn riding. But then again, their crusing speeds of 80 to 90km/h are more than enough for local use.

 

For the past 18 years, I've always practiced defensive riding like occupying the entire lane, be mindful of tailgating idiots, not lane splitting at 90km/h, no sudden overtaking stunts, etc.

 

My road speeds are usually not more than 100km/h, even on my 1000cc sports bike. On my dirt bikes, it's usually between 80 to 90km/h. Warp speeds are reserved for the track.

 

It's very seldom that I encounter what TS mentions. Even if there are lacers in levos and lexes around, early anticipation of their stunts usually mean I am far away from their antics.

 

Riding is much more than twisting the throttle at full throttle. The roads are shared with incompetent idiots and lacer wannabes. Having good all-round awareness is usually enough for daily "survuval" on the roads, not some high powered superbike.

 

well said.

[Blahhh]

Just saying that I share the same views as you. I am riding a Super4 and a Wave as a sidebike, altho I have been riding the wave more to save cost.

 

For me, my wave is powerless. But its ok to me because it gives me a fantastic fc of 46km/L. But I guess ur refering more to the newer bikes on the market, like the R125, R15, Daelim Roadwin etc so called sportsbikes.

 

And I have to agree with you. Those so called "performance" bikes has everything but performance. And manufacturers do have the power to make decent powered 4 stroke 2b bikes, but chose NOT to! I have seen a modded spark eat a rxz alive. Thus with some crude modification, a spark can perform as good as a stock rxz.

 

But people will start to question about the vibrations or the reliability of the modded engine, So why not make a STOCK 4 stroke bike, with quality parts and engine that can perform well in the first place?

 

aprilia rs125 is a good example.. (*yes I noe its a 2 stroker*) altho only 125cc, it's gearing ratio, sprocket ratio, forks and handlings are top notch.

 

But that means the cost of manufacturing the bike and keeping it will be high. In the case of rs125, should it break down and you have to order parts from its agent, GG already. So thats the problem, manufacturers just want to make bikes that sell well - meaning bikes that are cheap to build and cheap to keep.

 

I think TS just feels frustrated that manufacturers can design powerful 2b 4 strokers, but instead, release sportsbikes with glorified cub engines for the sake of profit margins.

 

But in SG context, if you want more power, simply upgrade to a 2a bike. A RVF in stock form will outrun any 2b bikes. And a R1 in stock form will outrun any 2a bikes. So in the end, it all comes down to CC and horsepower...