Up to 250cc for class 2B?

[ben1112]

Alot of ppl voiced their views. I think gahment got view also.

No change = No problem.

No problem = No change.

 

[darkhorse2009]

One word. Experience

 

 

 

Yap. Those were the days, 1 licence take all. Even L-Plate without licence also can go on the road.

 

But 1 Licence all classes straight away may not be that good and idea, imagine your first bike is a Hayabusa....

 

A better way is to cap the first bike at a lower cc but allow the rider to ride a bigger cc bike after the end of the P-plate period, without having to go through the hassel of re-register for a 2A and class 2.

 

 

Agreed.

[mustbrake]

Hi All,

 

All motorcycle manufecturer are doing 250cc bikes, 200cc a part from some Asia Factory are not longer available. Therefore i fully agree to extend the license to 250cc. In regards of two strokes bikes i don't really see the issue in fact two stroke bikes are not longer in production. Anyway in regards of the fast 2strokes on the road I may suggest to apply a simple rules (like in Europe) that for the first year of licensing "probation" can't ride bikes above a certain bhp.

 

Cheers.

[dragonforce]

One word. Experience

 

 

 

Yap. Those were the days, 1 licence take all. Even L-Plate without licence also can go on the road.

 

But 1 Licence all classes straight away may not be that good and idea, imagine your first bike is a Hayabusa....

 

A better way is to cap the first bike at a lower cc but allow the rider to ride a bigger cc bike after the end of the P-plate period, without having to go through the hassel of re-register for a 2A and class 2.

 

but those also were the days, not many pple ride big bikes.

[zyrofillica]

One word. Experience

 

 

 

Yap. Those were the days, 1 licence take all. Even L-Plate without licence also can go on the road.

 

But 1 Licence all classes straight away may not be that good and idea, imagine your first bike is a Hayabusa....

 

A better way is to cap the first bike at a lower cc but allow the rider to ride a bigger cc bike after the end of the P-plate period, without having to go through the hassel of re-register for a 2A and class 2.

 

i prefer, one word. "Brains". only smart pple dun do stupid things.

[CSV]

i prefer the hp method. much more easier to define the boundaries.

 

i pity the ninja, 250cc, nice bike, good looks but stuck in 2a class where most bikers would straight aim for 400cc.

 

banning 2 strokes wouldn't help either.

[KeraKing]

Do you think the government should ban all two stroke bikes but allow 250cc (four stroke only) bikes for class 2B?

 

1) 200cc four stroke bikes are too slow for sg roads

2) 250cc two stroke bikes are too powerful for beginners

3) two stroke bikes are really very noisy (:angel:sorry if i offended anyone)

 

1) highest speed limit is 90km/h.

i'm certain even smaller cc cubs can get a speeding ticket.

3) i've encountered a lot of 2a four strokers which when moving off are more noisy yet slower in pickup than my 2 stroker. (:angel:sorry if i offended anyone too heheh.)

 

2) i wouldn't want to recommend 250cc 2t sport to beginners, but i feel its safer to ride my 250 than my 150.

[taaouicha]

Best is 2 license class lah

2b-200 cc n below

After 1 year get class 2, can ride any motorbike

 

The 3 system is a big hassle, 2b,2a, class 2 >.>

 

Nothing wrong with 2 strokers, a bit more pollution and sound won't kill anyone ler

[SlowButSteady Bro]

Best is 2B till 250cc,2A till 600cc and 2 601cc above

[swiftee]

i think going by bhp makes more sense

 

woot if class 2b is 250cc and class 2a is 600cc, i will go for class 2b rs250 and class 2a rg500

[ProFatSir]

Do you think the government should ban all two stroke bikes but allow 250cc (four stroke only) bikes for class 2B?

 

1) 200cc four stroke bikes are too slow for sg roads

2) 250cc two stroke bikes are too powerful for beginners

3) two stroke bikes are really very noisy (:angel:sorry if i offended anyone)

 

no...

change to class 2B to 150cc and below.

2 stroke bike is fun to ride.

 

 

I say 1 licence fits all.

 

Class 2. Take one licence and we can ride ANY BIKE WE DESIRE. The best.

 

haven learnt how to walk,you wanna fly?

 

so whats the difference between a p-plater rossi wannbe on an R1 and a old timer with equally attitude on an R1?

 

a p-plater will be faster and have no fear of death.

 

if im not wrong, back in the old days, u can ride any cc once u have a bike license...

 

yes,applicable to those who born around 1950-1960.

 

You just shot yourself in the leg for saying that statement.

 

If you give me a 250cc 2 stroke sports bike, with the knowledge that i have more power, i will still hold the same responsibility as i would do now. Safety first.

 

A P-Plate rossi wannabe and an unkle who is very reckless. Same thing what. From what you are saying, isnt it safe to say that we should ban motorcycling, or any other vehicles on the road for that matter?

 

1 licence for all is still the best. Because ultimately it's all in the riders hands.

 

its very hard for a new rider to control a machine which is too powerful.

 

i prefer, one word. "Brains". only smart pple dun do stupid things.

 

yes.....101% agreed.

 

i think going by bhp makes more sense

 

woot if class 2b is 250cc and class 2a is 600cc, i will go for class 2b rs250 and class 2a rg500

 

bhp cannot lah,later more taxes if you mod...hahaha:angel:

[kifakw]

if it's not broken, why fix it?

 

let's not discuss about no cap.

 

even with 2b >200 cc, often alot of P platers due to inexperience and wrong attitude OTR land themselves into accidents.

 

and according to statistics, motorcyclists make the bulk of fatalities OTR.

 

http://www.spf.gov.sg/stats/traf2009_fatality.htm

 

with a no cc cap license, how are P platers going to handle something that accelerates 0-100 within 2.X - 5.X seconds.

[Snoek]

if it's not broken, why fix it?

 

let's not discuss about no cap.

 

even with 2b >200 cc, often alot of P platers due to inexperience and wrong attitude OTR land themselves into accidents.

 

and according to statistics, motorcyclists make the bulk of fatalities OTR.

 

http://www.spf.gov.sg/stats/traf2009_fatality.htm

 

with a no cc cap license, how are P platers going to handle something that accelerates 0-100 within 2.X - 5.X seconds.

 

Yes, agree. learn frm 2B den upgrade is a gd thing.

[swiftee]

You just shot yourself in the leg for saying that statement.

 

If you give me a 250cc 2 stroke sports bike, with the knowledge that i have more power, i will still hold the same responsibility as i would do now. Safety first.

 

A P-Plate rossi wannabe and an unkle who is very reckless. Same thing what. From what you are saying, isnt it safe to say that we should ban motorcycling, or any other vehicles on the road for that matter?

 

1 licence for all is still the best. Because ultimately it's all in the riders hands.

 

not every accident happens because rider is reckless...

if the bike is too powerful and power delivery too sudden, newbie may not know how to control the power e.g. accidently flip the bike when trying to move off

some bikes can go beyond speed limits without the rider even trying

 

i mean pls la, uk used to have learner license until 250cc, that changed because of the rd250lc. be glad the limit for sg isnt 125cc...

Edited April 14, 2010 by swiftee

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

In one sentence:

 

The limitations of Class 2B encourages beginner riders to work with and get used to traffic conditions.

 

There's no shortage of power delivery within street-legal speeds for 2B bikes.. if you did your homework or are able to tune the bike to your liking.

 

Want to go faster? And have the ability to fly off ahead of the traffic at any speed with a simple twist of the throttle? Then it's logical that something with 4 times the cylinders and 4 carbs will require a bit more responsibility, hence going for 2A license.

 

Not everyone finds vehicle dynamics an intuitive subject. To the layman, most of it is counter-intuitive once past a certain point - that's why driving centres exist.

[haikallp]

just so u all know..in malaysia there's only 2 motorbike classes..i forgot what it's called but one is

[fx110]

just so u all know..in malaysia there's only 2 motorbike classes..i forgot what it's called but one is

 

yes

 

B2----

B1----

B----->500cc

[SlowButSteady Bro]

First of all Gahmen have to ban all 2 strokes regardless the condition.Then they will revised

2B up to 250cc 2 cylinders max 35hp

2A from 251cc to 600cc max(Imagine Kawasaki KLX450 SM single cylinder still have to possess class 2 and not to mention TMAX super scooter 500cc!)

2 601cc above.

 

For 2B wanna buy 2 cylinders 250cc bike they must have at least 1 year experience riding.

For 2A rider need to at least have 2 years riding experience before enroll.

 

When the RS250,NSR250 Completely gone there should be no issue 2B riders handling a Kawasaki Ninja 250R which the power is comparable with 150cc 2 stroke sport bike..

[Cracked]

Do you think the government should ban all two stroke bikes

 

*doesn't read any further* No.

[mswoodruff]

2A should go as far as 600cc

[IvikaRazI]

2A should go as far as 600cc

 

I will have to disagree on that. It is very dangerous because of the horse power difference. There is a very big jump between 400cc and 600cc, almost 2 times. Putting someone new to that kind of power may prove to be suicidal.

[vyruz]

Just for comparison: In New Zealand, the basic license is for 250cc and below. Once you have a year under your belt, you sit for another license and get a license with no cc cap.

 

I'm sure there are Rossi wannabes in NZ and most other countries as well, but they somehow manage with a starter cap of 250cc with a LOT less school training before license. Why can't we?

 

As to the issue of experience, I know I'm out of place to comment due to my limited amounts of it, but I watched a riding training video where the guy (who later became a motor officer in the US) said something to this effect: "Before doing the motor officer's course, I had been riding for 20 years. I thought I had 20 years of experience. But then I realised I had 1 year of experience repeated 20 times". So just the number of years of riding itself is not an indicator of how ready you are to handle bigger bikes.

 

I will have to disagree on that. It is very dangerous because of the horse power difference. There is a very big jump between 400cc and 600cc, almost 2 times. Putting someone new to that kind of power may prove to be suicidal.

 

Doesn't that also apply to the situation where you get your Class 2 licence after riding a CBF750 with 74hp, then go and buy a Ducati 1198 with 170hp? Why isn't there another licence class to bridge the huge hp gap between middle weight bikes and litre and larger bikes? I guess there is the argument that you would've had two years' of Class 2B and 2A experience before that, but those years of experience have been on bikes with significantly less hp. So I'm not sure how far the experience will count.

[vyruz]

Oh and I didn't vote because:

 

1. Ban all two stroke bikes but allow 250cc bikes for class 2B? Umm no thanks. I love my RS125 too much for it to be banned.

2. Continue to allow two stroke bikes and keep the current cap of 200cc for class 2B Umm no thanks. I'd like the option of a nice naked 250 like the Honda VTR 250 to join my newbie stable.

[spikes89]

they should allow up til 250 cc with restricted 250cc bike, meaning no two strokes, then 2a should be upped to 600, also with restricted bikes, etc no r6 or cbr600, then third year allow them restricted... bigger bikes with lesser power means more thing to see for the drivers...

[crazydj]

Like i say before. 1 class, no restrictions.