Adding little 2T oil into fuel tank for 4-stroke bike and feel the smoothness

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

thanks orleng!!!! the next things now is to open the top and look at the piston and cylinder....n valve

[CSV]

hahahahahahahaahaha.

 

got my best ever fuel consumption.

 

its........ARE YOU READY FOR IT?!!!!!!

 

42.45 km/L !!!!!!!!! previous high was 41, and previous consumption was 35.

 

didn't do any modifications at all, no change settings also. although the weather has been cooler these days, but i've been doing abit of agressive riding recently.

 

unbelievable. 42km/l. man, i love ah pek bikes.

[Hydher]

hahahahahahahaahaha.

 

got my best ever fuel consumption.

 

its........ARE YOU READY FOR IT?!!!!!!

 

42.45 km/L !!!!!!!!! previous high was 41, and previous consumption was 35.

 

didn't do any modifications at all, no change settings also. although the weather has been cooler these days, but i've been doing abit of agressive riding recently.

 

unbelievable. 42km/l. man, i love ah pek bikes.

 

With the 2t? hahaha Wow @ that that man. Best i got on my ta was a 38.

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

at 5 ml to a litre , i got an aver of abt 37 from 35 not much of diff except my wife now love the smoothness of the vib.... she claims it got a "slippery" feel to it

[Isopropyl]

hahahahahahahaahaha.

 

got my best ever fuel consumption.

 

its........ARE YOU READY FOR IT?!!!!!!

 

42.45 km/L !!!!!!!!! previous high was 41, and previous consumption was 35.

 

didn't do any modifications at all, no change settings also. although the weather has been cooler these days, but i've been doing abit of agressive riding recently.

 

unbelievable. 42km/l. man, i love ah pek bikes.

 

cool result!!!

 

feel like getting some TC-W3 to mess with:cheeky:

[stsoh]

hahahahahahahaahaha.

 

got my best ever fuel consumption.

 

its........ARE YOU READY FOR IT?!!!!!!

 

42.45 km/L !!!!!!!!! previous high was 41, and previous consumption was 35.

 

didn't do any modifications at all, no change settings also. although the weather has been cooler these days, but i've been doing abit of agressive riding recently.

 

unbelievable. 42km/l. man, i love ah pek bikes.

 

it doesn't proof tat by adding 2t oil can save fc.

u simply proof tat by riding slow (below 60kph) n gentle, u achieve it.

since lean fc will cause under power n overheated engine.

not everyone have tat kind of habit of riding slow with hot stove underneath.

it is fine when weather is cold n wet now but normal hot climate....not way.

[CSV]

it doesn't proof tat by adding 2t oil can save fc.

u simply proof tat by riding slow (below 60kph) n gentle, u achieve it.

since lean fc will cause under power n overheated engine.

not everyone have tat kind of habit of riding slow with hot stove underneath.

it is fine when weather is cold n wet now but normal hot climate....not way.

 

@stsoh, i don't ride slow/gentle man. 110km/h on highways most of the time. a few times agressive throttle from green light.

 

from all my postings on the fuel consumption, i never said adding 2t will improve fuel efficiency, BUT BUT BUT BUT!!!!!! with the addition of 2t, fuel efficiency is on the better range as compared to non 2t.

[stsoh]

based on your proclaimed fc.

u might think tat u r riding fast n aggressively.

true fact is ur engine is running too lean tat means under power.

how aggressive can u ride??

 

another true fact is slow ride fuel efficiency is always better than fast.

Edited December 5, 2011 by stsoh

[CSV]

@stsoh, i think we discussed before. i check my spark plugs already, shows carbon and brown stain on the electrode. means its balanced la. not sure how much but its balanced.

 

i don't ride stoichometric like you because stoichometric is different for each and every bike, even for similar models. and i also dunno what is the stoichometric level la.

[stsoh]

basically depends on engine design, for example: old tech 2-valves 4-strokes engine n new tech 4-valves 4-strokes engine.

 

since ur spark plug electrode is brown or tan color tat means air/fuel (a/f) r in correct mixtures.

 

ur old tech phantom engine avg fc should be around 35km/l, moped like kups avg fc around 40km/l.

ur fc >40km/l can only be tat u r ride in slow mode.

 

all vehicle commercials advertised their fc based on less 50kph which show very good fc.

it is a fact tat riding slow can save fuel.

so analyzing ur improve fc when 2t oil added can only be u r riding slow but having a impression of aggressiveness.

 

ps:

power n low fc r opposite ends of each other - law of physic.

u can't have both, u can be richest man on earth if u can invent an engine tat have both power n low fc.

it is a fact tat the more fuel save means less fuel burnt, engine will be more under power - law of physic.

Edited December 6, 2011 by stsoh

[CSV]

basically depends on engine design, for example: old tech 2-valves 4-strokes engine n new tech 4-valves 4-strokes engine.

 

since ur spark plug electrode is brown or tan color tat means air/fuel (a/f) r in correct mixtures.

 

ur old tech phantom engine avg fc should be around 35km/l, moped like kups avg fc around 40km/l.

ur fc >40km/l can only be tat u r ride in slow mode.

 

all vehicle commercials advertised their fc based on less 50kph which show very good fc.

it is a fact tat riding slow can save fuel.

so analyzing ur improve fc when 2t oil added can only be u r riding slow but having a impression of aggressiveness.

 

ps:

power n low fc r opposite ends of each other - law of physic.

u can't have both, u can be richest man on earth if u can invent an engine tat have both power n low fc.

it is a fact tat the more fuel save means less fuel burnt, engine will be more under power - law of physic.

 

you are right, now that you mention it. my previous fc was around 35km/l. just this time it suddenly improve to 42km/l. which is what i want to know what is causing this. as far as i can tell, i did not change any of my riding behaviour at all.

[CSV]

ok, fc is back to 35km/l.

 

still cannot figure out what is causing the sudden increase in fuel efficiency previously. not the 2t's effect alone.

[Silent Hunter]

Maybe wrong calculation? eg: Remembered milage wrongly.

Maybe when filling up, got bubble in tank, therefore not able to fill up fully, resulting in false positive reading; ie Same distance, but less fuel, therefore unexplained better FC?

[CSV]

i use my smartphone to calculate mileage so wont be calculation error. most likely has to do with the engine temp/riding style (small changes)/gas bubbles

 

OR

 

it could be the Magical Fuel Penguins at work here.

[kinwei]

Or did you travel mainly city riding this time round? As compared to your usual highway riding? I can clock a additional 2km/L if I mainly travel on highway. That can means 42km more based on my 21L fuel tank.

 

I find small bike usually have a wider fuel comsuption variance. Mainly due to smaller tank and high mileage per tank. So a little bit of difference might contribute to a much better mileage.

 

I will suggest having more test sample. Go try a few more time before coming to a conclusion.

Edited December 14, 2011 by kinwei

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

jthe last top up i did manage to clock 39km/l from 35,36 and 37 next is to take a picture of the spark plug

 

 

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[CSV]

nope, exactly same route, i don't go riding around, direct to and from work.

 

anyway, heres a pic of my spark plug for those who are interested, never touch the fuel mix screw since ah chong tuned it after service.

 

nothing absolutely wrong with it, brown tan on electrode shows it is running balanced. @stsoh would have pointed out earlier.

[ezzyoiler]

take note of the blackie ground threads....

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

take note of the blackie ground threads....

 

suspect as much ...... that is carbon after 1 mth. will carry out the regime for another 5 mths then do a top servicing to see the valve , cylinder and piston

[Orleng]

take note of the blackie ground threads....

 

Of course the screw threads will be black. That's called "normal". As stated in post #424, look at the pics. All threads will be black.

 

Some carbon will inevitably be deposited in the threads. It's also why if one were to accidentally use a plug with too long a reach, it might be difficult/impossible to remove the plug cuz of carbon deposits on the threads.

 

Only need to be interested in the insulator colour and whether the electrode shows sign of metallic deposits from pre-ignition.

[ezzyoiler]

i see..carbon deposit on threads is normal?

 

will these carbon be deposited elsewhere?

hey your 2t is suppose to be ashless...burnt into nothing remember??

 

answers to the above will b enlighting..

 

after 1 month of riding..the threads are coated with carbon deposits...ater 5 months will it have 5 times more deposits?..

thanks chao puzzy for your test..and images...may i make a request that you document the spark plug every month along with the milage done on it..maybe we can see something or nothing..

[Orleng]

i see..carbon deposit on threads is normal?

 

will these carbon be deposited elsewhere?

hey your 2t is suppose to be ashless...burnt into nothing remember??

 

answers to the above will b enlighting..

 

Yes it is normal to have carbon deposits on the screw threads. Go and pull your non-2T spark plugs and tell me there are no carbon deposits.

 

Anyone worth his/her salt who has worked on their own machines will know that plugs inevitably will have carbon deposits at the threads.

 

The threads see some penetration of the fuel mix but might not be exposed correctly to the flame front or there could be quenching from the metal around it. Either way, there will be some fuel which will seep into the screw threads (as all gasses will do) but will reach only to a few threads deep due to the spiral nature or the longer route the fuel has to take along the screw threads. Or other eddies etc as a result of fluid dynamics.

 

As such, there might not be complete combustion of the fuel within the area of the screw threads, leaving behind carbon deposits.

 

You can go to any bike shop and take a look at their old used plugs. Those from 4stroke engines if you want. All will have carbon on the screw threads.

 

Nothing to do with 2T.

 

P.S.: As mentioned again, am not using 2T. There will always be deposits left behind from something or another. The question here is whether 2T used at such low concentrations can be effectively cleared out by other detergents in modern fuels during the combustion process and does it leave detrimentally more behind than the normal deposits left by otherwise regular non-2T mixes.

Edited December 17, 2011 by Orleng

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

i see..carbon deposit on threads is normal?

 

will these carbon be deposited elsewhere?

hey your 2t is suppose to be ashless...burnt into nothing remember??

 

answers to the above will b enlighting..

 

after 1 month of riding..the threads are coated with carbon deposits...ater 5 months will it have 5 times more deposits?..

thanks chao puzzy for your test..and images...may i make a request that you document the spark plug every month along with the milage done on it..maybe we can see something or nothing..

 

will do so !!! at every 1000 km or per mth interval for the next five moth follw by a top service

 

my 2t addition is 5ml to the litre

[ezzyoiler]

if you can --do a compression test...to start with base line...after x miles if the carbon deposits is going to interfere with the exhaust vale seat/seal....the compression test will show you.. is there any change after x miles..

[Limsteel]

will do so !!! at every 1000 km or per mth interval for the next five moth follw by a top service

 

my 2t addition is 5ml to the litre

We are recommending 2ml per litre of petrol. More doesn't mean good or you're just trying to accelerate the carbon buildup?

 

At low concentration, our engine "may" benefit from the 2T added and also able to purge the so call "carbon" from the system. At high concentration, the benefits and risks reverses... So even if you manage to prove 2T causes carbon buildup, it just proves Overdose 2T cause more carbon buildup, SADLY.

 

Put it in another way:

1 tab of pain-killer, numb the pain.

5 tabs of pain-killer, numb the pain, but also damage our liver faster.

 

Am I right?