Adding little 2T oil into fuel tank for 4-stroke bike and feel the smoothness

[crazydj]

That's why. Don't need to get so worked up. Up to them what they want to do la.

 

But for me, from the way i see and understand it, ezzyoiler just does not want to see those newbies all kenna conned. That's all la. For us regular joes who dont believe, we just try to give insights and explanations on why we dont believe. Then those who believe, will give their explanation. Its like a learn and share kinda thing.

 

Let's say if i was in engineering, i would come up with a thesis paper "The effects of 2 cycle oil in 4 stroke petrol engines: Is it really a secret that oil manufacturers don't want you to know?" Haha.

[Limhg]

my experiences and many others are 100% opposite of yours..

 

high viscosity lube..the worse is grease..

the higher the viscosity ...the more it will stay on the chains...

such that it will pick up road grimes which will destroy your chains sooner rather than later...

 

ezzyoilers user in fact been recommeded to use 2t..precisely for their low viscosity...and the oiler is designed with this requirements as the more important conditions.

this low viscosity results that road gromes pick up by the lubricant...is easily thrown off the chain..and this will result in a clean chains...therby givng you the maximum extended chain life...i am sure you must know someone...or someone friends using the ezzyoilers..check with them..

 

2t oils becomes sticky...yes it does as it will solidify..into grease with time...this occurs as you have not lube the chains regularly..ie so that old oil is thrown off while the new oil replaces them,

insuficient lube is the cause..

 

oil behaves and deteoriates in this way..

 

from liquid...its is known as oil...and then thicker beoming grease..and finally into crud..and disintergrate into a black , sticky mess before becoming crud..

similar to your cooking oil ..in the liquid form and solid is known as fats..butter/magarine/lard falls into this category..

 

 

all rubber /plastic seals have this property of resistant to petroleum products as one of the major requirements..if not you will be replacing them frequently..

please take note greases and spray lube is also made from petroleum procducts...i am sure your o ring chains can withstand these petroleum froducts..2t and 4 t are petroleum products and in the same catergory..

for more infor on such resistant material..please do a serch on NBR..all answers there.

 

this is my experiences...

 

I lubed my chain very regularly, about once every 2 days. No over lubed to the point that chain is dripping with oil just the 2 edges where the O rings are. But at the end of the month, the chain is very dirty, black and greasy. Kind of like a grinding paste. But with 4t, the chain is much more cleaner. However it does fling off more. Now i just use chain lube.

 

Does your ezzyoiler enables me to put 4t instead? And could you post some pictures of effects from using 4t or 2t in the ezzyoiler so we can decide to buy the product. Give product demo. How much is the oiler? Thanks.

[ben1112]

Don't have to force others to conform to your perspectives. There are people who use cooking oil as 2t too you know?! Me just shrugs it off. It's their bike, they have the right and probably can afford to test and spoil a thing or two... In The Name of SCIENCE!! Have fun cheer up guys.

 

 

 

 

"Let it be, let it be

Let it be, let it be

Whisper words of wisdom, let it be" -The Beatles

[Hydher]

good for you..

good luck...and lets hear from you again after 20,000km...or when you find your exhaust pipe full of carbon or when the bike power drops....whichever comes first...

maybe it is worth all the troubles..if any..

 

wow so unwelcoming.

 

:cheeky::cheeky:ok..let me do it again..

my dear hyder...welcome ...:):)

 

:cool::cool:..

:thumb:

 

That's why. Don't need to get so worked up. Up to them what they want to do la.

 

But for me, from the way i see and understand it, ezzyoiler just does not want to see those newbies all kenna conned. That's all la. For us regular joes who dont believe, we just try to give insights and explanations on why we dont believe. Then those who believe, will give their explanation. Its like a learn and share kinda thing.

 

Let's say if i was in engineering, i would come up with a thesis paper "The effects of 2 cycle oil in 4 stroke petrol engines: Is it really a secret that oil manufacturers don't want you to know?" Haha.

 

What is your sentiments if someone reply you in this manner? (:

[crazydj]

What is your sentiments if someone reply you in this manner? (:

 

Just chill only ah. As long no vulgarities and racist/religion thing can already.

[Hydher]

Ive ran 250Km and got my record lowest fuel consumption of 31Km/L.

My worst was 18kpl(10%) best was (once)30kpl. 22kpl(20%) 26kpl (30%) 28kpl(30%)

[naim]

u got that on ur steed 400? dat seems pretty good!

[tiku]

Ive ran 250Km and got my record lowest fuel consumption of 31Km/L.

My worst was 18kpl(10%) best was (once)30kpl. 22kpl(20%) 26kpl (30%) 28kpl(30%)

 

bro, wat do u mean by the percentage stated beside the kpl??

[Hydher]

u got that on ur steed 400? dat seems pretty good!

 

She's a keeper!

 

bro, wat do u mean by the percentage stated beside the kpl??

 

The percentage i get such readings after every 250 km.

[byte77]

Ive ran 250Km and got my record lowest fuel consumption of 31Km/L.

My worst was 18kpl(10%) best was (once)30kpl. 22kpl(20%) 26kpl (30%) 28kpl(30%)

 

Congrats to the fuel saving.

Keep up the good ratio with 2T, check tyre pressure regularly, and last but not least oil the chain!

Edited September 8, 2011 by byte77

[Hydher]

Congrats to the fuel saving.

Keep up the good ratio with 2T, check tyre pressure regularly, and last but not least oil the chain!

 

Some how with tubed tyres, pressure loss is extremely minimal.

 

Very true. For the calculation to the 250, at about 80km, I wipe my chain with newspapers, put on some 4t(never did this before) and covered it with maxima chain wax.

[tiku]

She's a keeper!

 

 

 

The percentage i get such readings after every 250 km.

 

bro, care to share wif ur bike avg fc b4 u try using 2t?? wat was ur crusing speed at express way?? thnks

[FZ1s Hulk]

Lol, I really wanted to laugh when I saw the thread name "Adding little 2T oil into fuel tank for 4-stroke bike and feel the smoothness"

 

Anyway, if it is really true, the oil company surely wouldn't have missed the opportunity to push their products by not labeling that it is suitable for all petrol engines.

 

I feel it is likely a placebo effect rather than anything else.

[Limhg]

Lol, I really wanted to laugh when I saw the thread name "Adding little 2T oil into fuel tank for 4-stroke bike and feel the smoothness"

 

Anyway, if it is really true, the oil company surely wouldn't have missed the opportunity to push their products by not labeling that it is suitable for all petrol engines.

 

I feel it is likely a placebo effect rather than anything else.

 

They would not. They would rather market the same 2t as a fuel treatment like techron, or some friction reducer in shell petrol, spc's new petrol formula. If they did so, their 2t would start losing their value by being less of a "specific" product developed for 2 strokes.

 

Same thing as why wouldn't they market the 4ts and 2ts as chain lube. When it really does the job quite as good as chain lube. Or their petrol marketed as a cleaning solution for chains, which does the job well too. Its all about losing the "specifically developed" price.

 

Try it out like many have done. And record the results to prove yourself right or wrong.

Many others have done it and reported no damage but improvements to our bikes. I am using 2t on my beloved machine too, without experiencing loss of performance or engine damage. If never try before, how can we be so sure?

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

after my bike COE expired I would not mind adding 2t into the fuel mixture for a bit of extra lubricant. but i would not use it a couple of months before inspection.

[Andr3w]

They would not. They would rather market the same 2t as a fuel treatment like techron, or some friction reducer in shell petrol, spc's new petrol formula. If they did so, their 2t would start losing their value by being less of a "specific" product developed for 2 strokes.

 

Same thing as why wouldn't they market the 4ts and 2ts as chain lube. When it really does the job quite as good as chain lube. Or their petrol marketed as a cleaning solution for chains, which does the job well too. Its all about losing the "specifically developed" price.

 

Try it out like many have done. And record the results to prove yourself right or wrong.

Many others have done it and reported no damage but improvements to our bikes. I am using 2t on my beloved machine too, without experiencing loss of performance or engine damage. If never try before, how can we be so sure?

 

totally agreed with u. i too had tried it, doesnt feel much different nor loss of performance and engine damage.

[Hydher]

bro, care to share wif ur bike avg fc b4 u try using 2t?? wat was ur crusing speed at express way?? thnks

 

Its written on my previous few post.

Well im on the peak hour at ecp to and fro from work.

Depends on traffic and i stick to the speed limits. Not a hogger or a speed demon. cheers.

[Hydher]

second top up after 210 km ran.

30.5kpl.

[sujak]

Lol, I really wanted to laugh when I saw the thread name "Adding little 2T oil into fuel tank for 4-stroke bike and feel the smoothness"

 

Anyway, if it is really true, the oil company surely wouldn't have missed the opportunity to push their products by not labeling that it is suitable for all petrol engines.

 

I feel it is likely a placebo effect rather than anything else.

 

I totally agree with this statement. I guess it is just a placebo effect. There are so many petrol additives in the market but why didnt the petrol makers themselves include them into their petrol. I believe, not all machines will work with these additives, as well as 2t. Perhaps some of you are lucky to feel the advantages of the 2t oil into the tank. As for me, tried various products, but nothing beats Caltex with Techron, it is proven. Gives you smootheness in your engines, but compromises on your performance. For smoothness, I will go for Caltex with techron instead of 2T oil. To each their own. If you never try, you will never know.

 

There is a saying, in order to be old and wise, you need to be young and stupid. I used other additives before and caused harm to my engine. Now to be safe, no more additives for my machine.

 

totally agreed with u. i too had tried it, doesnt feel much different nor loss of performance and engine damage.

 

I've set up a petition to get user ezzyoiler banned.

Can voice out your displeasure/s here.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/333138-Banning-of-User-ezzyoiler.

 

Lets proceed with the discussion on 2t. Ive read the links given. They are more followers with good experiences than bad ones. Nice to know that.

 

Now this is what I call being childish. Why do we have moderators in the forums for? Are you telling me they are not doing their jobs? Let the moderators handle it. This is a sharing hub of info and experiences. If the moderators think ezzyoiler should be banned, then they will ban him. I'm glad you are not a moderator. If you are, I guess people will think twice about posting their views here.

 

I am not choosing sides here. I am merely voicing my opinion.

[Limsteel]

Please... Can we all Agree to Disagree... We have our mind set on each side some undecided (like me). I have been reading and was swayed to do it but some of the post did discourage me. So it is healthy to disagree and debate on facts (theory) and figures (practical). That's how we learn.

 

Again I am still undecided. Still have not got my 2T oil yet...

 

BTW, why don't petrol or additives company market it? who knows, they might have a diluted 2T - labelled as octane booster already on sale...

[CSV]

update for you guys who are not busy fighting a flaming war. just post your views and stuff, if there are people who disagree let them disagree.

 

anyways, 1 round of gas WITHOUT 2t = 34km/l.

earlier tried 1 round WITH 2t = 41km/l.

 

my riding patterns were the same and all, and it does to show that with 2t there is more fuel efficiency. then again, i will do more trials to verify if this is true.

 

and note to those who are going to try, make sure you put less than or around 0.2ml per liter of fuel in your tank. this is key. my phantom has 11L of fuel but i put in 15ml just to be safe.

[Constructicon]

Great, now all the professional chemical, petrochemical & automotive engineer in the world will be fired, because it never occurred to them in their job that adding 2T to a 4 stroke engine will make it better.

 

And ya, whatever happened to free speech? So, if anyone voices his opinion which happened to be different from yours and he sticks to his views, will get banned? Serious wtf.

[Orleng]

Sigh. Firstly, I do not support the banning of anyone here nor practice adding of 2T into my fuel, or any other additives for that matter.

 

As stated before, it's not about freedom of views. Sure, anyone can express his/her thoughts. However, what that is uncalled for is the putting down of other's views as one particular user (whom I've pointed out) has done. E.g. calling them smart alecks, saying what they do is silly/dumb. Surely, views can be expressed without the need to resort to such tatics to push your point across right? There is no behaviour like that on his other threads.

 

Also, when it comes down to what the engineers have recommended, I believe that what the bros here in the "For 2T" camp are suggesting is that the 2T be treated like an additive. Who is to say that other additives like FTP fuel treatment/FP60 aren't using similar formulations or have the same effects. Plus, about 2T dripping from exhausts, that's when it is used as a primary form of lubrication. Order of 50:1, but what the "For 2T" guys are suggesting is "500:1" or higher dilution ratios.

 

For those who wish to take the line of argument where "engineers would have thought of it/recommended it" I put this question to you. Simple example. "What does your instruction manual call for chain lube?" I believe in some cases, Heavy Gear Oil(mine). Yamaha's FZ1 requires "Yamaha Chain Lube", no where does it state Chain Spray/Wax and for sure, I do not see "2T" listed as chain lube. Well then, I ask this. Hey, why suggest 2T as chain lube, if the engineers thought it was good, they would have recommended it.

 

If you're going to then point out that the chain is insignificant in cost as compared to the engine. The thought process is the same. Why use something not recommended by the autmotive engineers on it?

 

If you're next going to say that based on your experience, 2T does a good job of cleaning, are you then more knowledgable than these professionals who designed the machine and therefore should know it better. Additionally where on a bottle of 2T does it say "safe for O-rings"? My old bottle doesn't. Does it also say "Chain Lube"?

 

If your argument is then that hands on experience shows that it is superior. You have tried to show using anecdotal evidence. This is the same kind of evidence which some of the "For 2T in petrol" users are showing. If your stance is then that you use evidence to show and backup your statements, then where is the evidence to show that 2T is detrimental to engine health?

 

Do take all these into consideration.

 

Once again, for the record, I do not use 2T in my petrol. I am more concerned of heat soak clogging/varnishing my injectors. This will happen regardless of additives.

 

Edited: Upon further checking, R6'06 calls for "Adjust and lubricate chain with a special O-ring chain lubricant thoroughly." So this might expnd range to cover sprays/waxes designed for the job. Which still leaves out the bikes that call for Heavy Engine Oil or Company specific lubes.

Edited September 11, 2011 by Orleng

[Limhg]

Great, now all the professional chemical, petrochemical & automotive engineer in the world will be fired, because it never occurred to them in their job that adding 2T to a 4 stroke engine will make it better.

 

And ya, whatever happened to free speech? So, if anyone voices his opinion which happened to be different from yours and he sticks to his views, will get banned? Serious wtf.

 

 

Perhaps it already occured to them long ago that adding products like 2t will make fuel better. Techron for all u might know is a 2t like oil. (detergeants and friction reducers and lubrication) I feel they would not market 2t as suitable for 4t engines because it is bad for business.

 

1stly, people are skeptical towards the unconventional. Name it 2t and people will not buy it for 4 strokes. Its going to need another name.

 

2ndly, if people buy accept the idea. Who will fill up with the oil company's special fuel right? when they can just pump normal petrol and add 2t.

 

Ever think why caltex do not sell us techron in a bottle? Or why shell does not sell us the additive that make V-power. Its going to be bad for business.

 

This is not the first time people say 2t is good for 4 strokes. Its long been used by drivers and riders overseas. And most of us have good results to back our claims that it is beneficial to our engines. It is like chinese medicine not backed up by western doctors.

 

It is not a placebo effect to me. I ran alternate tanks of 2t mix and regular petrol. And the effects are very obvious. Alot smoother at higher revs and engine starts up alot easier.

 

One cant be skeptical forever without trying it out. Your own results is the best proof that you can believe.

 

There is nothing wrong for having opposing view la. I guess its the harsh language and disrespect that causes conflict.

[crazydj]

Ever think why caltex do not sell us techron in a bottle? Or why shell does not sell us the additive that make V-power. Its going to be bad for business.

 

For all you know, the additives here are not as simple to mix you know. You don't just pour it in. Its a very precise process which needs many reactions to like 'bind' it into the petrol. The way i see it is that these additives, their molecules are binded to the molecules of the petrol, not just mixed.