Adding little 2T oil into fuel tank for 4-stroke bike and feel the smoothness

[Hydher]

Perhaps it already occured to them long ago that adding products like 2t will make fuel better. Techron for all u might know is a 2t like oil. (detergeants and friction reducers and lubrication) I feel they would not market 2t as suitable for 4t engines because it is bad for business.

 

1stly, people are skeptical towards the unconventional. Name it 2t and people will not buy it for 4 strokes. Its going to need another name.

 

2ndly, if people buy accept the idea. Who will fill up with the oil company's special fuel right? when they can just pump normal petrol and add 2t.

 

Ever think why caltex do not sell us techron in a bottle? Or why shell does not sell us the additive that make V-power. Its going to be bad for business.

 

This is not the first time people say 2t is good for 4 strokes. Its long been used by drivers and riders overseas. And most of us have good results to back our claims that it is beneficial to our engines. It is like chinese medicine not backed up by western doctors.

 

It is not a placebo effect to me. I ran alternate tanks of 2t mix and regular petrol. And the effects are very obvious. Alot smoother at higher revs and engine starts up alot easier.

 

One cant be skeptical forever without trying it out. Your own results is the best proof that you can believe.

 

There is nothing wrong for having opposing view la. I guess its the harsh language and disrespect that causes conflict.

 

thumbs up for this (:

[Constructicon]

Sigh. Firstly, I do not support the banning of anyone here nor practice adding of 2T into my fuel, or any other additives for that matter.

 

As stated before, it's not about freedom of views. Sure, anyone can express his/her thoughts. However, what that is uncalled for is the putting down of other's views as one particular user (whom I've pointed out) has done. E.g. calling them smart alecks, saying what they do is silly/dumb. Surely, views can be expressed without the need to resort to such tatics to push your point across right? There is no behaviour like that on his other threads.

 

Also, when it comes down to what the engineers have recommended, I believe that what the bros here in the "For 2T" camp are suggesting is that the 2T be treated like an additive. Who is to say that other additives like FTP fuel treatment/FP60 aren't using similar formulations or have the same effects. Plus, about 2T dripping from exhausts, that's when it is used as a primary form of lubrication. Order of 50:1, but what the "For 2T" guys are suggesting is "500:1" or higher dilution ratios.

 

For those who wish to take the line of argument where "engineers would have thought of it/recommended it" I put this question to you. Simple example. "What does your instruction manual call for chain lube?" I believe in some cases, Heavy Gear Oil(mine). Yamaha's FZ1 requires "Yamaha Chain Lube", no where does it state Chain Spray/Wax and for sure, I do not see "2T" listed as chain lube. Well then, I ask this. Hey, why suggest 2T as chain lube, if the engineers thought it was good, they would have recommended it.

 

If you're going to then point out that the chain is insignificant in cost as compared to the engine. The thought process is the same. Why use something not recommended by the autmotive engineers on it?

 

If you're next going to say that based on your experience, 2T does a good job of cleaning, are you then more knowledgable than these professionals who designed the machine and therefore should know it better. Additionally where on a bottle of 2T does it say "safe for O-rings"? My old bottle doesn't. Does it also say "Chain Lube"?

 

If your argument is then that hands on experience shows that it is superior. You have tried to show using anecdotal evidence. This is the same kind of evidence which some of the "For 2T in petrol" users are showing. If your stance is then that you use evidence to show and backup your statements, then where is the evidence to show that 2T is detrimental to engine health?

 

Do take all these into consideration.

 

Once again, for the record, I do not use 2T in my petrol. I am more concerned of heat soak clogging/varnishing my injectors. This will happen regardless of additives.

 

Edited: Upon further checking, R6'06 calls for "Adjust and lubricate chain with a special O-ring chain lubricant thoroughly." So this might expnd range to cover sprays/waxes designed for the job. Which still leaves out the bikes that call for Heavy Engine Oil or Company specific lubes.

 

Perhaps it already occured to them long ago that adding products like 2t will make fuel better. Techron for all u might know is a 2t like oil. (detergeants and friction reducers and lubrication) I feel they would not market 2t as suitable for 4t engines because it is bad for business.

 

1stly, people are skeptical towards the unconventional. Name it 2t and people will not buy it for 4 strokes. Its going to need another name.

 

2ndly, if people buy accept the idea. Who will fill up with the oil company's special fuel right? when they can just pump normal petrol and add 2t.

 

Ever think why caltex do not sell us techron in a bottle? Or why shell does not sell us the additive that make V-power. Its going to be bad for business.

 

This is not the first time people say 2t is good for 4 strokes. Its long been used by drivers and riders overseas. And most of us have good results to back our claims that it is beneficial to our engines. It is like chinese medicine not backed up by western doctors.

 

It is not a placebo effect to me. I ran alternate tanks of 2t mix and regular petrol. And the effects are very obvious. Alot smoother at higher revs and engine starts up alot easier.

 

One cant be skeptical forever without trying it out. Your own results is the best proof that you can believe.

 

There is nothing wrong for having opposing view la. I guess its the harsh language and disrespect that causes conflict.

 

 

End of the day, it's all about respect.

Respecting one another's view and having a broad enough mind to accept that different people have different views and that our own perception/ opinions are just that, our own without resorting to name calling or calls for banning, unless the person had crossed the line.

Even then, this is a free forum and free world.

 

Same arguments as the full gear vs no gear, the full face vs half face, the NSR that beat the R1 (hehheh)...etc.

It goes on and on until the moment someone decides to take it personal, the thread degenerates into name calling and trawling the Net for 'proof'.

 

2T? Go ahead. You can also drink it if you think it makes you run faster.

No 2T? Go ahead too. So long as you are happy.

 

Cheers.

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

yes i ever take a sip of 2t by accident and manage to run faster.............. to the toilet

[Isopropyl]

most premium fuel already contain some FM. also there are some additive like FP60 design to be added into fuel which offer similar benefit like cleaning and reducing friction. does adding 2t oil have further advantage over such traditional method?

[Constructicon]

yes i ever take a sip of 2t by accident and manage to run faster.............. To the toilet

 

lol!!!!!

[shahrul_azmil3]

Nsr is faster then r1. . .

 

If i remember correctly, its the nsr 500. . . .

 

Sent from my GT-P1000

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

most premium fuel already contain some FM. also there are some additive like FP60 design to be added into fuel which offer similar benefit like cleaning and reducing friction. does adding 2t oil have further advantage over such traditional method?

 

it's as effective as adding moth balls some uncle swear by it, i tried it too .... it works for a while

[Limsteel]

TS or other users, when you send your bike for servicing, can you state your 2T usage duration (has been 5mth since the start of this thread)... Then take photos of the carbs, jets petrol reservoir, etc. Then open top block take photo of the intake & exhaust valves, valves seats. further probe the combustion chamber, piston & rings.

 

If no traces of carbon or sticky goo found... then it will prove all the critics wrong and they believe what they want BUT stop condemning or ranting 2T makes 4stroke bikes piston jam la, carbon, engine up lorry...

BUT If you really find goo or abnormal carbon buildup then it should be a good indicator for you and the rest to stop.

 

Critics and supporters here, willing to chip in $$$ for a test??? rather then participating in the childish bickering.

 

In search for the truth I am willing to contribute $10 for this effort. I know $10 can't even buy a bottle of good 2T... BUT I hope TOGETHER we can contribute to finance "ONLY" the extra work (open top block and combustion chamber) performed on a test bike.

[Hydher]

sounds like a big project but opening such things are expensive right? Think it'll be in the $300 region

 

Hmm honestly, if you're the type of person who has a sensitive butt dyno, try this. If it feels good, it cant be bad right? hmm..

[Limsteel]

For small single cylinder engine like phantom I think should be quite affordable.

[Limsteel]

Talk about $, so quiet... Ok I up $20. Anyone game for it?

 

Critics who don wan to contribute, please shut up and go away. Don't lengthen thread with arguments and ridicule without concrete prove of engine failure directly or indirectly due to the addition of 2T to a 4 stroke internal combustion engine.

 

Supporters, who don wan to contribute, please carry on 2T addition and report finding, good bad ugly or no diff. Up to other readers to find if the risk is worth it.

[sihan0110]

i contribute $10

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

http://tapatalk.com/mu/1b68950c-8a40-1c98.jpgme too $10....

[tionghan]

i think this is by far the best suggestion.. i in $10 too.. all the talking no use.. contribute and see proof.

[Hydher]

hey just talked to an old school steed rider.

Even his old school mechanic recommends adding a tad of 2t to the petrol (:

 

Happy to know this!

[Constructicon]

I dont use 2T add-on or any addictives for all my 4 stroke bikes, past and present.

I had my doubts about the effects of 2T for a 4 stroke engine but most of us believe it's a free world and everyone's free to choose/ believe what they want.

 

$10 is nothing to most of us, and I think probably most of those who dont use 2T don't care about the results.

It's a free world and a free forum.

And there is no need for people to tell other forum users to shut up just becos they do not endorse 1 set of views. Or that just becos people do not contribute $10 means they agree/ disagree with the view.

 

Cheers and have a ride, 2T or no 2T.

[BLACK COMET]

I'm in. Don't mind chipping $10 in the name of science and learning.

[BLACK COMET]

Perhaps it already occured to them long ago that adding products like 2t will make fuel better. Techron for all u might know is a 2t like oil. (detergeants and friction reducers and lubrication) I feel they would not market 2t as suitable for 4t engines because it is bad for business.

 

1stly, people are skeptical towards the unconventional. Name it 2t and people will not buy it for 4 strokes. Its going to need another name.

 

2ndly, if people buy accept the idea. Who will fill up with the oil company's special fuel right? when they can just pump normal petrol and add 2t.

 

Ever think why caltex do not sell us techron in a bottle? Or why shell does not sell us the additive that make V-power. Its going to be bad for business.

 

This is not the first time people say 2t is good for 4 strokes. Its long been used by drivers and riders overseas. And most of us have good results to back our claims that it is beneficial to our engines. It is like chinese medicine not backed up by western doctors.

 

It is not a placebo effect to me. I ran alternate tanks of 2t mix and regular petrol. And the effects are very obvious. Alot smoother at higher revs and engine starts up alot easier.

 

One cant be skeptical forever without trying it out. Your own results is the best proof that you can believe.

 

There is nothing wrong for having opposing view la. I guess its the harsh language and disrespect that causes conflict.

 

Techron is available seperately as an additive.

 

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/additives/tcp.aspx

 

Only thing it's not available here as an individual bottle.

[BLACK COMET]

Personally I am disappointed (I know most don't care) how the "argument" turns out.

 

It used to be a forum of discussion and debates.

 

Debates of the olden days are pure facts with proofs. 1 side will usually present the ideals, facts and proofs. Other side will dig out more facts and counter debate.

 

It was a purely fair, non personally debate. A debates base on presented facts.

 

NOW.

 

We have one side that just stick purely his findings and initial facts. After that, he made no effort in expanding his by doing research and the science behind the findings.

Instead of spending more time in doing research on the findings. He spends time in arguement using his initial findings, involve in meaningless flaming wars. And only get offended by some slightly harsh language (In my opinion it's only slightly harsh). And again. Instead of spending time in backing up his findings. he start a meaning poll of banning so and so. I feel that this valuable time (I feel everyone's time is valuable.) should be to do more in depth research.

 

The other side just stick purely on the old theories. Using slightly harsh (well I find it ok. but can be abit harsh sometimes) Language. And again, argue only with the old theories. He didn't even bother to do more research, grab more facts and counter the debate. Only time spend is inolve in flaming wars. Advertising on a product that have no innovation and improvements over the years. It doesn't mattars whether loobman or ezzyoiler comes first. But right now loobmanis into version 3. Although both looks like some spares u pick up in an aquarium shop. At least loobman got a twin side oiling dispenser (much like scotoiler) and the current version got a "metered" dispensing reservoir. And all this is only 32 sgd inclusive of freight from UK to SG. (editted: correction. it now 17++ pounds plus 2+ pounds for postage. I purchase it back then when the exchange rate was still ok.)

 

I am not out to put anyone down. But I hope that people will start to be what is the olden days SBF is like. Positive discussion and endless innovations in product creations.

 

If both side still don't bothers to channel their time and energy towards the positive side. It will be a waste of time for everyone who read it and those who post it.

 

No offence to everyone. just sharing my own personal view.

EDIT: Latest findings. seems like Ezzyoiler do have a automatic dispensing reservoir and dual tip oiler. My apologise for posting the oiler discussion without finding the latest facts. Thanks to Mr Koh for his patient reference to the current latest ezzyoiler design improvement.

Edited September 17, 2011 by BLACK COMET

[Limsteel]

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And there is no need for people to tell other forum users to shut up just becos they do not endorse 1 set of views. Or that just becos people do not contribute $10 means they agree/ disagree with the view.

 

Yes, I agree... I realised my mistake here. I apologise.

 

Anyway like I stated here before. Let all of us agree to disagree... But please like in the beginning of this thread, disagree with theoretical sense, (even hypothetical ones) not with flame.

don't just say use liao sure Engine up lorry... WHY? HOW? Later in this thread, forumers start passing sarcastic unrelated remarks. NSR faster than R1, drink 2T Run faster to toilet. humor is OK, meaningless post should be minimize...

[Constructicon]

Yes, I agree... I realised my mistake here. I apologise.

 

Anyway like I stated here before. Let all of us agree to disagree... But please like in the beginning of this thread, disagree with theoretical sense, (even hypothetical ones) not with flame.

don't just say use liao sure Engine up lorry... WHY? HOW? Later in this thread, forumers start passing sarcastic unrelated remarks. NSR faster than R1, drink 2T Run faster to toilet. humor is OK, meaningless post should be minimize...

 

No sweat.

 

Btw, the NSR that was faster than a R1 is a famous/ infamous old forum thread that some joker started.

Obviously, he outran a R1 with a Super Air Filter equipped NSR.

[Constructicon]

*Double post*

Edited September 17, 2011 by Constructicon

[crazydj]

That is why i always give my reasoning and logic when i posted in this thread.

[stsoh]

basically adding 2t does benefits some n some dun.

take hydher case for example:

looking at his 28km/l fc for a 400cc, it is definitely way too lean n engine is running very hot.

so by adding 2t does retard combustion burning rate thus lower combustion temperature n cools down the engine.

he definitely felt great improvements when riding his steed.

tat why some will stick to their believes n others dun.

fact n science if u understand it, as different bikes runs at different conditions.

btw, i run my 4-strokes 125cc engine at 28km/l fc.

[Hydher]

Will take a look at my spark plugs on the next scheduled servicing and post my findings here (: